What about them? They're dead. What about the people that die in car accidents? Should we just get rid of cars? Life has to move on, whether you want it to or not.
No, we're not going to forget
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Uh....people are responsible for putting their own info into VAERS. So, if someone didn't load something in, that's on them.
It's why it's an unreliable raw data source UNTIL reports are individually investigated.
Unless, of course, you believe the guy who reported the vaccines "turned him into The Hulk"...
Nope. Prior infections have not prevented re-infection any better than the original two doses.
Bi-valent vaccines seem to be doing pretty well, though.
Wrong.
"Our systematic review and meta-analysis provides a comprehensive assessment of the scientific literature on the protection against subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic disease, and severe disease (hospitalisation or death) afforded by previous infection by variant and by time since the initial infection. Our results show that high levels of protection—on average greater than 85%—are present for ancestral, alpha, delta, and beta variants across all three outcomes (infection, any symptomatic disease, and severe disease).
Furthermore, although protection from past infection wanes over time, the level of protection against re-infection, symptomatic disease, and severe disease appears to be at least as durable, if not more so, than that provided by two-dose vaccination with the mRNA vaccines for ancestral, alpha, delta, and omicron BA.1 variants (Nassereldine H et al, unpublished), which is also seen from studies directly comparing natural immunity to vaccine-induced protection.40"
"Our analysis suggests that the level of protection from past infection by variant and over time is at least equivalent if not greater than that provided by two-dose mRNA vaccines."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext
They state essentially "equivalent" to the TWO vaccine doses. Do you understand what "at least as durable" means?
Which means getting boosters is BETTER THAN prior infections, which also "wanes over time".
Their data indicate you SHOULD NOT rely on a "past infection" to protect you from new variants. You SHOULD get bi-valent boosters.
If it were commotio cordis wouldn't you just say it? No more specifics would be needed regarding medical condition/history.
And what if it’s something else (not vax)? Something missed by the league’s medical exams (lawsuit), or if it is something, that if publicly discussed, would affect him playing in the league again (see Michael Irvin). I’m sure legal ramifications and his future career are playing a factor in his reluctance to provide details when he doesn’t have to (and has been advised not to).
These guys don't really miss stuff during medical exams, they spend days poking and prodding and going over medical records, running tests, at the combine. The level of medical scrutiny pro athletes go through is rivaled only by NASA. Besides we're supposed to trust the experts anyway who NEVER make mistakes.
True we can't rule anything plausible out until we know for sure, but my point should stand that if it were commotio cordis then he would most likely just come forward with that. Commotio cordis being the one and only thing some doctors thought made sense.
Give us the list of all diagnostic tests run.
Also, you are claiming nothing is ever missed during a medical exam? I agree, not the norm, and why I mentioned litigation for missing it. Mistakes happen.
Google took 10 seconds
According to Dr. Matt Matava—president of the NFL Physicians Society (NFLPS), Professor of Orthopedic Surgery and Sports Medicine at Washington University in St. Louis and head team physician for the Rams—the combine exam focuses on more than just knees and shoulders.
"We break down the medical evaluation into two distinct segments: internal medical examinations and orthopedic examinations," Matava explained. "During the internal medical exam, players are evaluated by team internists for cardiovascular, kidney, liver and pulmonary health. Part of this examination includes a battery of tests—such as blood work, EKGs and, for certain players, stress tests for their heart—in order to determine if there are any internal issues that might affect the player's ability to participate in the NFL."
An EKG—short for "electrocardiogram"—is a test that looks at the electrical activity within the heart. While automatic electrical impulses tightly regulate the heart rate under normal circumstances, abnormalities within the conduction system can sometimes predispose to life-threatening irregular heart beats, or "arrhythmias."
Stress tests, on the other hand, analyze the heart's function during exercise to tease out any underlying heart muscle oxygen supply problems that may only arise at high activity levels.
Internists will also ask about a player's known medical issues.
"If a player has a history of problems, such as (high blood pressure), sickle cell anemia, diabetes or asthma, those conditions will be noted," Matava continued. "We also make note of their current condition and any treatments they are receiving. Then, we make recommendations to the team regarding that player's ability to play at the NFL level with these medical issues."
Regrettably, numerous players will come into the combine on any given year with well-documented and widely-publicized injuries. For them, the process differs in a few respects.
"For players with a known injury concern, their medical history is obtained and recorded," Matava explained. "Team doctors review the player's medical history all the way back to grade school. For instance, if a player has a knee injury as part of their medical history, the doctors will do an examination to look at any current problems and view all past X-rays and MRIs. If necessary, they will order new imaging studies to further evaluate the nature of the knee at the present time."
Not Just Clinical Work
NFLPS physicians do not just evaluate and treat athletes. They are also academics, teachers and leaders in their respective fields of medicine.
"During the combine, the NFLPS has an academic dinner meeting where we present interesting cases and medical research involving NFL health and safety topics," Matava noted. "This purely academic event is my favorite part of the combine.
"We then have business meetings on Saturday. The first half of the meeting includes the athletic trainers—where we discuss issues applicable to both the athletic trainers and doctors. Then, we have a physicians meeting that addresses non-medical aspects of being an NFL physician—such as those relevant to malpractice coverage—that affect your ability to do the job."
Even you admit there is a possibility he wouldn’t come forward. I am not claiming it is, or isn’t commotio cordis.
1. It shows you actually didn’t know what was all involved. Even now you don’t. You just provided a sloppy copy and paste job.
2. This doesn’t list the test, just some of the types of testing they undergo…for some of the athletes.
3. This certainly doesn’t prove medical conditions can’t go undiagnosed.
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Why don't you trust the experts? These NFL teams are preparing to invest millions or hundreds of millions of dollars into these players, they don't take the process lightly. Each team has their own doctors too so its not like there's just 1 doctor examining these guys, its a gaggle of experts.
It’s not that i don’t “trust the experts,” I just know they are human, and prone to error at times. Why is medical malpractice a thing? Look up Cyrus Jones. A player that played on 3 NFL teams before they found out he had a congenital heart defect. Impossible, right?
Not in 2023 man, we spent the last 3 years being lectured to by Joes Place and the like about trusting the experts, peer reviewed studies, and all that stuff that goes with it. Either the experts are holy and infallible, or they're not, and should they be human and not perfect then a lot of people who berated those who have said that all along are due an apology.
I'm sure your buddy doesn't know the difference between a 3-electrode ECG and a 12-electrode one.
And it's doubtful the NFL runs the 12-electrode type, unless someone has been previously diagnosed with an issue which would justify it.
I'm sure when hundreds of millions of dollars are at-stake they aren't cheeping out on the electrode count.
The rare stuff is really hard to detect w/o lots of false-positives, and you're correct in that until someone has an "event", no one often knows any problem exists.
And ECGs, no matter how sophisticated, cannot detect everything.
I guess I should not be surprised at this point that Joe's Place also thinks he's a ECG expert, but I didn't see that coming. lol.
Well he did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Go back and read some of the justifications and blatant shower of shit propaganda in this thread.
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Oh Joe thinks he's an expert at everything. If he's married you have to wonder if his wife puts up with it.
my father-in-law, is that guy... thinks he's the smartest guy in every room he walks into, but can't build a piece of furniture from Ikea and has to call in the dummy.
Uh....did you even read what happened? 5% of people could not file due to "system errors" (user error? Who knows). 12% somehow had their files outright deleted, and 22% had their report in the database, but was not publicly visible due to what looks like an issue where the users are given a temporary ID vs. a permanent ID. The temporary ID's apparently aren't visible to the public.
Whatever the case, the audit is another indicator of an injury count that is being under-reported in this system.
Was that you Joe....or just someone like you?
React19 Research: VAERS Audit - React19
November 29, 2022 React19, a patient advocacy organization representing more than 20,000 Covid vaccine-injured individuals, reviewed 126 VAERS report numbers filed by 103 independent Covid vaccine-injured individuals. We conducted this audit due to concerns raised by members that they never...
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Yep. That's the issue right there. Think about it.
Can they? Have you tried re-filing a report for ANY of the 3 reported issues: "system error", deleted file, or temporary ID? Ya that's what I thought.
I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying they might not be able to. YOU'RE saying you know they can, which is not a smart position to put yourself in. It's part of your obvious callous disregard for these people.
Neither of us know the technical specifics to the issues they're reporting. I could imagine several issues they could be having, like not being able to create duplicate information if the system thinks the information is already there but it was somehow deleted from public view, for instance. You're saying "They can re-file them. The system isn't shut down." That's Mediacom level of insanity.
So, they clearly CAN. But because Twitter says something different, you cannot acknowledge it.
