Sure. Answer my question with the COVID vaccine. Total deaths due to the vaccine?
No, we're not going to forget
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I just told you my answer. That's as far as I'm going with it. Thanks for playing.
Haha. You say that is has caused deaths but can’t provide a number or a link from a site that won’t give someone’s phone aids.
Keep doing you, man.
You are clearly biased, and aren't a doctor, so you don't get to answer on behalf of doctors. It's clear you ignore studies that don't fit your narrative, because you refuse to ever admit you are wrong.
Like I said, I don't need a hard number that everyone agrees with to acknowledge the danger vs. any miniscule benefit. Some scientists have speculated millions. How many deaths do you think?
I'm a scientist.
Who has authored/co-authored several articles in medical journals.
Worked with doctors my entire career - SOME are good critical thinkers. MANY are not.
My bias is toward the available evidence.
Thank you. It's a honest answer to sincere questions.
I asked because it's hard to now whom to trust, especially when various studies come up with conflicting conclusions. It's also hard when we find out years after an event that we were misled about important facts, and previous studies are debunked. It's then a matter of trust and motives instead of the truth.
No. Not "pretending" anything.
There's no evidence published in support of your claims.
You trust the medical community. The people who are experts in the field. It isn’t hard.
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You can start here if you want. Keeping in mind that VAERS is expected to be heavily underreported.
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openvaers.com
The antivaccine website?You can start here if you want. Keeping in mind that VAERS is expected to be heavily underreported.
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That's because you get far too much of your "information" from shitty sources.
Go read and review the actual journal articles.
Eric Topol, from UCSD/Scripps, has a good feed on Twitter that covers all kinds of up-to-date medical information, including Covid and vaccines.
You've posted NONE.
Your buddies are not posting "studies", they are posting Youtube videos and Twitter memes.
You're lapping those up like dog shit, pretending they are pudding like actual science.
And then, just because I'm on the side of the reviewed science, you're skipping the pudding and pretending the dog shit tastes good.
Is that so? Does that include Fauci and Collins? Does that include the medical communities in Europe, Israel, and Australia?
Why not trust the consensus? Unfortunately for you it seems the vast majority of the medical community agrees with Fauci and Collins.
VAERS itself is unverified data. That bit is conceded.
But I suppose anyone who compiled VAERS data and puts it into groups like this would automatically be labeled as antivax, even if it was legit.
Let's also keep in mind a post in a separate thread that Joe more or less agreed with: "I hate to break it to most of you but most doctors have perfunctory, if any, knowledge of the immune system.".
Actually I choose to not trust things. It's a system run by humans, led by humans, and driven by money. What could possibly go wrong?
You’re trusting humans too. Just the extreme minority.
The minority that has no formal oversight over what it posts and prints.
Regularly published journal articles have all of that oversight - from both 'peer review' prior to publication, and systematic profession review, by every other actual expert in the field able to read and respond to the publication. Not armchair Youtube videos; established experts.
Trusting humans who also don't blindly trust, who are capable of thinking for themselves. Also it's not money driven, quite the opposite. If you're going to come out against the official narrative you're going to get attacked and these people know it, so they're confident and they know their shit. Contrast that with your avg family doctor who takes a much easier road. These doctors and scientists who speak out aren't stupid, as Joe and others would like to have you believe and to suggest that, as Joe does is again, disingenuous at best.
You aren't "capable of thinking for yourself"
You post nonsense memes and videos, from utter quacks and pretend it holds the same level of certainty as actual data and science.
Nonsense. I'm with the skeptics, questioning things because they don't seem right. That means I am thinking for myself, rather than blindly trusting the official narrative and surrendering my beliefs to what the mainstream is telling me to believe.
Maybe you'd like to provide this as an example to help prove your point....right at the top of the prior page of this thread. "Two of Britain's most trusted Doctors" are among the many thousands of doctors and scientists that seem to have sided with me.
"This is not speculative, but based on the highest level of data".
I guess here are a couple of your Twitter quacks:
Professor Carl Heneghan | University of Oxford
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Are you new?
Joe is the last person on the planet that gets to call.himself a scientist. He is a propagandist and a hack
No i’m not new. Because the medical community is at odds with you and agrees with Joe doesn’t make you right.
Joe's a hack. Any little negative thing you type on here about vaccines he immediately dismisses and defends to the death, and anyone who types it is instantly a dipshit or a cletus.
Countless studies have been posted here where the authors express they feel they have a signal that they feel needs further investigation. Every time, that study is dismissed as nothing, something is wrong with it such as the journal it's published in makes it invalid, and the author is an dipshit.
Sorry, that's not science that's dogma.
Resident GIAOT self-proclaimed "scientist".
‘The covid mRNA vaccine is top of the list in the hierarchy of causes of excess cardiovascular deaths until proven otherwise.Maybe you'd like to provide this as an example to help prove your point....right at the top of the prior page of this thread. "Two of Britain's most trusted Doctors" are among the many thousands of doctors and scientists that seem to have sided with me.
"This is not speculative, but based on the highest level of data".
I guess here are a couple of your Twitter quacks:
Professor Carl Heneghan | University of Oxford
www.ox.ac.uk
Aseem Malhotra-Especialista en
Pide tu cita en Internet con Aseem Malhotra, especialista en en Central London. Elige una fecha y agenda cita en pocos segundos.draseemmalhotra.co.uk
Not how science works, Cletus.
This is a "hypothesis", not a fact. And unsupported by data.
No; I only dismiss the nonsense folks like you post.
I've readily admitted the myocarditis risks associated with them. Only to correctly point out to you that those risks are a fraction of the myocarditis risks associated with getting Covid (which also correlate with more severe myocarditis than the vaccines).
And that the vaccines are protective against myocarditis if you still do acquire a Covid infection.
Those data, and citations, have been posted for you multiple times already.
