How many of those did the president try to mandate or lose your job?
No, we're not going to forget
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That's a huge misinterpretation of what I've been saying, and probably what @Joes Place has been saying, as well.
I'm perfectly happy to let parents make decisions for their children in most cases. But not all. And, if you think about it, you agree with me - in principle, if not in every case. I'm pretty sure we both would like government to step in to stop parents from using their kids in child porno, just to take an easy example.
The question isn't whether there are times that government should make decisions that override parents' decisions, because clearly there are some. Child seats in cars is another most people would agree with.
No, the question is whether COVID vaccines are another example where government should flex its authority.
Plus, the way you have phrased your responses so far obscures - at least to me - the difference between government recommending vs government forcing you to get vaccinated or have your kids vaccinated.
Most CDC and other statements have been in the nature of strong recommendations, not requirements. And where governments (often at state and local levels and often by businesses, not governments) have actually forced people to act, there are usually exemptions in reasonable cases, and also choices, albeit hard choices (such as quitting your job rather than get vaccinated, or switching your kid to a private school to dodge public school vax requirements).
Point being this is not authoritarianism gone wild but, imo, government doing its proper job. We can quibble around the edges and I might agree with you on some cases, but in broad strokes our government has actually been a bit too timid during the pandemic.
When the argument you make is child porn, you’ve lost. You’re now comparing the deadly jab to child porn , which I guess in some ways makes sense. Evil, is well evil.
maybe If this were China you would be right but in US we have a constitution for a reason.
No, I don't.
With the exception being vaccinations that protect their children AND other children.
Meanwhile, you're supporting a party that DOES want to control other people's children if they need an abortion in the case of rape or incest.
It's also a great way to intentionally misrepresent someone's post which he clearly did. Bau for both of you.
The President does not "mandate" or alleviate side effects from vaccines.
Weird that they are more than a thousand times less lethal than the disease they protect against...
And well since they don’t stop transmission that’s a risk best left to the individual
They do not "stop" transmission. They REDUCE it.
AND, they protect against severe disease.
We've been over this with you many many times, already. Rates of heart issues from the vaccines are a small fraction of what they are for unvaccinated young people.
You are not being serious when you reject my argument because you get your panties in a twist over the specific example I used.
Enough.
Are you talking about the US constitution? The constitution that was explicitly designed and explicitly empowers government to "promote the General Welfare"? That constitution?
SMH
That phrase isn't a catch-all for the government can do whatever they want.
If you can't follow orders you don't belong in the military. Pretty simple. If this helped weed some of those idiots out so be it.
Thus the reason you didn't respond to my initial post and immediately played the anti vax card.
You and your pal have done a great job derailing this thread to make it all about the vax, even though it's just one small piece of the larger debate.
But to play along, let's try this - Should the government be able to force minors to receive the covid vaccine and continued boosters? Yes or no? It's a simple question.
Who is claiming it is?
It's "to promote the general welfare". Vaccines have provided one of the greatest benefits to Americans and the world over nearly any other modern "invention".
No, it's not at all what he said. He was broadly arguing that Americans don't want the gov't making health decisions over the parents. NOT that 80% of Americans were specifically against basic vaccinations. It should be completely obvious and to suggest that he actually said/thinks 80% of Americans are against basic vaccinations is not intelligent.
OVerall? Maybe, but the data is incomplete. Of course you are absolutely ignoring the fatality rate in children compared to the overall fatality rate, and the side effects in children and young adults compared to the overall population.
It's what you're posting and agreeing with here.
If you don't agree with the idiots, quit defending them.
The vaccines have eliminated the strain of Covid they were designed against.
100%
Polio doesn't mutate into strains the vaccines don't work against.
You can keep trying to make them "equal", but they are not.
Nope, I'm not and it's been clarified repeatedly so get off it.
Let's try this AGAIN - Should the government be able to force minors to receive the covid vaccine and continued boosters? Yes or no? It's a simple question.
Excellent point that I suspect many - including me - tend to overlook.
Sadly, we'll never know if we could have eradicated COVID if we had gone all in on that objective.
If, for example, once we had working vaccines, we had rapidly produced enough to blanket the world; and if people hadn't turned it into a political food fight.
Suppose we could have. Millions of people wouldn't have died due to COVID.
Am I the only one who thinks the worst of the liars and profiteers belong in jail?
you made a comparison, and then when I destroyed your narrative now you want to pretend I made it first. Jesus you're just a liar.
The vaccine had nothing to do with the original Covid strain being 'eliminated'. The virus evolved and mutated. Just like it was always going to do, regardless of vaccine (i.e. cold and flu strains).
Lol, this is actually turning out to be kind of fun.
Let's try AGAIN - SHOULD the government BE ABLE TO FORCE MINORS to receive the covid vaccine and continued boosters? YES or NO?
Again, this is a very simple question.
Hello? @Joes Place you still having trouble understanding the question?
This cannot be a serious response, the troll in you is on fire bruh, put him in timeout.
A reminder of what you actually are based on your postings ITT:
-revisionist historian
-public health expert
-self-centered egotist
-lousy parent
There's a lot of people who never got one of the jabs who are waiting to get the vid, or had such a mild case of it without the jabs that they maybe never even knew they had it.Same, I did start to develop a weird rash on my arm though...
Pfft okay. No, but okay.
And get bent over the lousy parent comment. My kids, all healthy teenagers, each had covid before the vaccines were available. All three have has worse colds and far worse bouts with influenza. Choosing not to vax them given this and what was clear regarding the impact of covid on healthy teens was an easy decision. Thankfully people like you and @Joes Place are the outliers so we actually had this choice still.
That polio has similar mortality rates to Covid.
Yep. It does.
Then you chimed in about vaccines. So, I informed you WHY the original polio vaccine DOES NOT require reformulation (UNLIKE Flu and Covid vaccines).
The lack of reading comprehension and basic science fluency seems to be a "YOU" problem here.
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