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Obama: Raising Gas Prices hurts the poor, so I'm raising gas prices.

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President Barack Obama has just proposed a $10 tax on every barrel of oil produced in the U.S., but it was just five years ago the president warned making fuel more expensive harms poor people the most. Obama told Georgetown University students in a 2011 speech that “rising prices at the pump affect everybody -– workers, farmers, truck drivers, restaurant owners, students who are lucky enough to have a car.”

Five years down the road, Obama is proposing a 30 percent tax on each U.S. barrel of oil — since oil is hovering around $30 per barrel. What’s interesting is that in 2011, Obama himself said a $10 rise in oil prices translated to a 25 cent rise in gasoline prices. “And every time the price of a barrel of oil on the world market rises by $10, a gallon of gas goes up by about 25 cents,” Obama said in 2011. By his own logic, he just imposed a 25 cent gas tax.

The current federal gas tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. So, if Obama’s logic holds, he just increased the federal gas tax to 43.4 cents per gallon, a 136 percent increase. But that’s only the federal gas tax, when state gas taxes are included with Obama’s oil tax, Americans are saddled with a 70 cent tax on every gallon of gas. When state and federal gas taxes are taken together, Obama’s oil tax would be a 56 percent increase.

“Businesses see rising prices at the pump hurt their bottom line,” Obama warned in 2011. “Families feel the pinch when they fill up their tank. And for Americans that are already struggling to get by, a hike in gas prices really makes their lives that much harder. It hurts.” Obama wants to tax oil production to pay for green transportation programs, which he is spinning as a second stimulus program. The White House says its plan would increase spending on green transportation by $20 billion, and it would spend $2 billion on green vehicle and aircraft research and $400 million to make sure this green fleet is safely integrated into America’s transportation system.
 
This doesn't have a prayer of passing and he knows it. They would be better served in upping the gas tax in the 10 cent area. Perfect time to do it when gas prices are down. Kind of what Iowa did.
 
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So he only wants to tax US sourced oil? Did Saudi Arabia make a big contribution to the Obama Library?
 
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It's stories like this I hate.

2011 was 5 years ago. To just take one quote from half a decade ago and apply it to today without any context, without any explanation or without questioning the source to go what changed is so stupid.

This is true for any story, any political party or any event. Five years is a heck of long time.
 
It's stories like this I hate.

2011 was 5 years ago. To just take one quote from half a decade ago and apply it to today without any context, without any explanation or without questioning the source to go what changed is so stupid.

This is true for any story, any political party or any event. Five years is a heck of long time.

In other words, values and principles should shift like the wind. Got it.
 
I think it's pretty clear that everything Obama has ever done or will ever do was conceived of solely by him and was executed either without the input of anyone else or in direct opposition to the advise provided by the smartest people they can find with specific expertise in such matters. That might seem strange until you realize that he's a Muslim agent intentionally trying to destroy our way of life. Then it makes perfect sense.
 
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It's stories like this I hate.

2011 was 5 years ago. To just take one quote from half a decade ago and apply it to today without any context, without any explanation or without questioning the source to go what changed is so stupid.

This is true for any story, any political party or any event. Five years is a heck of long time.

In your progressive short-sighted view of the world, five years is a long time. But it really isn't at all.
 
In your progressive short-sighted view of the world, five years is a long time. But it really isn't at all.

Five years ago: gabby Giffords was shot, Hosni Mubrank resigns, Gaddafi was still in charge, Charlie Sheen had some tiger blood, Game of thorns premiers, Obama releases his birth certificate, Bin Laden is killed, Orah's last show, Jobs resigns, Occupy Wall street starts, RGIII won the heisman

Five years is a long time in one person's life or in politics. Which is what we are talking about. It's not a long time in the history of the world, which we are not talking about.
 
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In regards to the 2011 comment remember he had a campaign to worry about in 2012.
 
Five years ago: gabby Giffords was shot, Hosni Mubrank resigns, Gaddafi was still in charge, Charlie Sheen had some tiger blood, Game of thorns premiers, Obama releases his birth certificate, Bin Laden is killed, Orah's last show, Jobs resigns, Occupy Wall street starts, RGIII won the heisman

Five years is a long time in one person's life or in politics. Which is what we are talking about. It's not a long time in the history of the world, which we are not talking about.
Oh Obama never gave us his birth certificate. You know that. :cool:
 
Five years ago: gabby Giffords was shot, Hosni Mubrank resigns, Gaddafi was still in charge, Charlie Sheen had some tiger blood, Game of thorns premiers, Obama releases his birth certificate, Bin Laden is killed, Orah's last show, Jobs resigns, Occupy Wall street starts, RGIII won the heisman

Five years is a long time in one person's life or in politics. Which is what we are talking about. It's not a long time in the history of the world, which we are not talking about.

Would you consider 150 or so years a long time in the history of the world?
 
It's stories like this I hate.

2011 was 5 years ago. To just take one quote from half a decade ago and apply it to today without any context, without any explanation or without questioning the source to go what changed is so stupid.

This is true for any story, any political party or any event. Five years is a heck of long time.

Exactly. Shame on those liberals that accused Mitt of Vulture Capitalism, that was WAY further back.
 
It's stories like this I hate.

2011 was 5 years ago. To just take one quote from half a decade ago and apply it to today without any context, without any explanation or without questioning the source to go what changed is so stupid.

This is true for any story, any political party or any event. Five years is a heck of long time.

Are the poor different now than they were 5 years ago where the cost of gas no longer affects them? Either raising the cost of gas hurts the poor or it doesn't.

The only difference between then and now is, back then Obama was up for re-election and needed the poor. Now, that he's about to be done he needs...well you can figure that one out.
 
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Five years ago: gabby Giffords was shot, Hosni Mubrank resigns, Gaddafi was still in charge, Charlie Sheen had some tiger blood, Game of thorns premiers, Obama releases his birth certificate, Bin Laden is killed, Orah's last show, Jobs resigns, Occupy Wall street starts, RGIII won the heisman

Five years is a long time in one person's life or in politics. Which is what we are talking about. It's not a long time in the history of the world, which we are not talking about.

You forgot "and the poor needed to keep their money to live". That has obviously changed now.
 
Are the poor different now than they were 5 years ago where the cost of gas no longer affects them? Either raising the cost of gas hurts the poor or it doesn't.

The only difference between then and now is, back then Obama up for re-election and needed the poor. Now, that he's about to be done he needs...well you can figure that one out.
That's not the only difference. The cost of gas was about double what it is now in 2011.
 
That's not the only difference. The cost of gas was about double what it is now in 2011.

just five years ago the president warned making fuel more expensive harms poor people the most. Obama told Georgetown University students in a 2011 speech that “rising prices at the pump affect everybody -– workers, farmers, truck drivers, restaurant owners, students who are lucky enough to have a car.”


Again, price has nothing to do with what he's saying. He's saying, "when you raise prices on gas, it hurts the poor." That hasn't changed. Gas is cheap now...that means the poor benefits the most. I guess we just can't have that. Because they will still be the most negatively affected by the raise in price, regardless of the cost. That's a constant.
 
Less than four years ago he told Romney that high gas prices were a sign of a strong economy.

Does this mean four years later he has worsened the economy?
 
just five years ago the president warned making fuel more expensive harms poor people the most. Obama told Georgetown University students in a 2011 speech that “rising prices at the pump affect everybody -– workers, farmers, truck drivers, restaurant owners, students who are lucky enough to have a car.”

Again, price has nothing to do with what he's saying. He's saying, "when you raise prices on gas, it hurts the poor." That hasn't changed. Gas is cheap now...that means the poor benefits the most. I guess we just can't have that. Because they will still be the most negatively affected by the raise in price, regardless of the cost. That's a constant.
Of course it does. It's all about budgeting. The poor can afford some percent of their income to go to gas. Today they are half what they were paying 5 years ago. That changes everything.
 
Of course it does. It's all about budgeting. The poor can afford some percent of their income to go to gas. Today they are half what they were paying 5 years ago. That changes everything.

No, it really doesn't. Gas could be $5 per gallon six months from now for all we know. Will Obama rescind his $10 tax if that happens? Hahahahahaha.
 
No, it really doesn't. Gas could be $5 per gallon six months from now for all we know. Will Obama rescind his $10 tax if that happens? Hahahahahaha.
You say that like Obama hasn't championed multiple tax cuts. If you believe in user fees to pay for infrastructure, this is the time to raise them. They certainly can be lowered again if needed.
 
Um, OP quote is from 2011. Look at gas prices now. Are you that dumb? All your fatty tissue is moving to your brains, Yellow and Tradition.
 
You say that like Obama hasn't championed multiple tax cuts. If you believe in user fees to pay for infrastructure, this is the time to raise them. They certainly can be lowered again if needed.

As for the "user fees" argument, the fee should be based on the cost of constructing/maintaining the particular infrastructure we're talking about divided by the number of users... not the underlying price of the commodity we're taxing to cover the cost of such infrastructure. A flat $10 tax is regressive, not progressive.
 
This thread is classic ODS. One thread trashes him on the deficit (for stimulating the economy after their hero shed American blood and dollars on a war of lies) and another for generating revenue on cheap oil. If Obama said oxygen was good for your lungs, some of you idiots would argue helium was better.
 
As for the "user fees" argument, the fee should be based on the cost of constructing/maintaining the particular infrastructure we're talking about divided by the number of users... not the underlying price of the commodity we're taxing to cover the cost of such infrastructure. A flat $10 tax is regressive, not progressive.
I agree I'm not for a user fee model, but cons often are. Obama isn't very liberal.
 
You say that like Obama hasn't championed multiple tax cuts. If you believe in user fees to pay for infrastructure, this is the time to raise them. They certainly can be lowered again if needed.
But you know damn well they won't be lowered again when oil prices inevitably go back up. And what some people either don't realize or don't want to admit is that gas tax revenue actually goes up when gas prices are low. The federal and state taxes you pay at the pump are per gallon, not a percentage of the total sale price. When gas prices are low, people drive more and consume more gallons of gas, hence more revenue. When gas prices are high, people cut back on unnecessary trips and consume less fuel.
 
I agree I'm not for a user fee model, but cons often are. Obama isn't very liberal.

I'd be happy with a flat oil tax idea if it was tied to the costs it was intended to pay for and if it replaced other federal gas taxes, but it doesn't. This is a shameless money grab.
 
But you know damn well they won't be lowered again when oil prices inevitably go back up. And what some people either don't realize or don't want to admit is that gas tax revenue actually goes up when gas prices are low. The federal and state taxes you pay at the pump are per gallon, not a percentage of the total sale price. When gas prices are low, people drive more and consume more gallons of gas, hence more revenue. When gas prices are high, people cut back on unnecessary trips and consume less fuel.
But you know damn well that if we have another economic drop taxes will be lowered. We need more money for infrastructure correct? This is how we pay for that in America. With prices down it's hardly a difficult decision to justify. Only an ultra liberal could be against this plan.
 
I'd be happy with a flat oil tax idea if it was tied to the costs it was intended to pay for and if it replaced other federal gas taxes, but it doesn't. This is a shameless money grab.
Your plan would face the same criticism. You are only against this because it's coming from Obama.all this conservative whining is so transparent.
 
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