Observations from the game

[Ihawkhoops]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

 

[Earvin32]

Observation. Continue to coach and teach your players no matter the score. This was a great opportunity to do so and did not happen. I don't believe the "head man" stood and coached the last 12 min.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Fran should have yanked all starters but Garza at the 19-2 mark. What could the next unit possibly have done that would be worse than being down 17 in the blink of an eye? Sit down with the starters and explain what is going on and let them watch it from the bench. See if the second unit comes in and provides a spark with pressure, traps, etc. Clearly the starters got blitzed and were on their heels early.

 

[jasonrann]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

Great thoughts.

I agree, shut Bohannon down. Our non-conference schedule is going to be too difficult to have him hobbling around like he has polio. We don't have extra minutes to get him ready. Give his minutes to Joe T and Evelyn at the #1. Develop them. My optimism has evaporated after two games and I was DAMN excited about this season.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

DePaul might very well end up better than their last place big east preseason prediction, but I can't help but laugh at the post game rationalization some posters are compelled to go through in building them up.

Much better athletes playing well will beat athletes that are their inferiors nearly every time. That they shot lights out from the the three only made it worse.

DePaul might make the tourney, but I doubt it. They are not world beaters.

 

[hexumhawk]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

This has been the story of Fran's tenure minus a few players that were raw athletic freaks (Cook, Olesani)

 

[jimbob22]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

Good analysis. And done without taking sarcastic shots at Fran. I too was shocked. We are in deep guacamole.

 

[HawkSTL]

This has been the story of Fran's tenure minus a few players that were raw athletic freaks (Cook, Olesani)

Fran does seem really reluctant to recruit guys that have a competent isolation game. Especially at the wing. Most teams have a handful of players (of varying quality) whose game includes dribble-drive/isolation moves.

We never seem to have any. Marble is about the only true wing player I can think of that could actually create off the bounce. Wieskamp is a good player but he’s more of a catch-n-shoot/straight line drive guy.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

A really bad loss can only make us better if we learn from the debacle. DePaul is a much, much better team than we are. They have some sure-fire NBA players. They are well-coached and play with discipline. If we didn't have an 11-1 run at the very end against the dregs of their bench, the score would have reflected that we were behind by 25 when our best was against their best. Worst of all was the crowd shots by the TV cameras. Were there 1000 people in the stands at the end? Didn't look like it. The parking lot looked more inviting than the game.

 

[K OKeefe]

The problem with playing Connor as a shooting guard or small forward is the fact that teams do not respect his ability to hit a shot consistently enough to warrant guarding him. Couple that with his inability to get north/south as the PG really limits his impact on the game.

 

[K OKeefe]

A really bad loss can only make us better if we learn from the debacle. DePaul is a much, much better team than we are. They have some sure-fire NBA players. They are well-coached and play with discipline. If we didn't have an 11-1 run at the very end against the dregs of their bench, the score would have reflected that we were behind by 25 when our best was against their best. Worst of all was the crowd shots by the TV cameras. Were there 1000 people in the stands at the end? Didn't look like it. The parking lot looked more inviting than the game.

Name these "sure fire" NBA players that DePaul has?

 

[hawkeyemark56]

Kreiner has always seemed underappreciated and hope he graduates getting the recognition he deserves. Has usually given us solid minutes off the bench even playing through some mistakes. I agree we badly need help on the boards and this part of the game we miss Cook more than anything else he contributed IMO.

 

[CalmHawk]

Never thought I would say this, but Moss being gone hurts a ton. Cook was a huge piece that saved us last year.

Toussaint is our best athlete and most complete guard. He needs his minutes. If Connor keeps getting them before him I can see him saying bye bye at the end of the year.

Recruiting is the key. Yeah it is great to see guys sign like the Murray twins and I have no doubt they will contribute, but I was under the impression that we were not done with recruiting.... I thought We would get Sibley, Foster, Ogundele...... but not even a sniff after the Murray's signed. Missing on those 3 is going to hurt with this class. NO Power 5 offers for any of the 4 guys we got? Seriously?! Fran needs to go. It is time. We have no excuse to give to ourselves if the staff is content on not getting the quality and depth we need in recruiting and continues to miss on their 1,2,3 options at each position. It is not just frustrating anymore. It is completely unacceptable.

Our team just looked lost out there. We got hit in the mouth and folded. No toughness out of the starting 5. I am not saying they are all bad, but they are all really good role players. If we had starting guards like Depaul has, nothing against Fredrick or Connor, then we are a good team. I worry about our depth too. We have decent players, but no stars. And it will be a very very long year.

 

[Rifler]

I thought We would get Sibley, Foster, Ogundele...... but not even a sniff after the Murray's signed. Missing on those 3 is going to hurt with this class.

Recruiting isn't over....

 

[Suterman]

I was guilty about reading too much from game 1. I don't want to make the same mistake after 1 bad outing. But yes, we looked awful last night and there is no sugar coating that.

 

[HawkLand]

I’m still holding out hope that this was just one of those games. The thing that has me most nervous is all of the comments from coaches and players about how amazing Nunge has been in practice. I worry that has something to do with the competition at practice. In two games he has looked like he has no business playing P5 basketball.

come on Iowa, please be decent this year. I don’t like long cold winters with bad Iowa basketball.

 

[Crazy Hawk]

I was guilty about reading too much from game 1. I don't want to make the same mistake after 1 bad outing. But yes, we looked awful last night and there is no sugar coating that.

This team’s issues fall on Fran and not the players. They are simply being asked (and screamed at) to do something they are physically unable to do.

On top of that...Fran has dedicated the last two off seasons (if not more) to defense and nothing has changed.

Fran has never been anywhere as the head man where he has had to go beyond a rebuild. Bottom line...these players are busting their ass and are being set up for failure by the head coach.

 

[Cydkar]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

Pat can't redshirt unless it's health related and can be documented. I thought he was 100% recovered?

 

[Rifler]

Yes, Patrick's ticket has been punched for this season...

 

[Suterman]

Pat can't redshirt unless it's health related and can be documented. I thought he was 100% recovered?

Why couldn't Patrick redshirt?

 

[lovedwatchingLester]

No doubt, yesterday all around was a Big Disappointment, duh!
I'm not ready by any stretch though to jump off the cliff. I'll be there from Chicago area on Friday and I expect the Hawks will win, comfortably. It's a long season with lots of twists and turns. The thing that stood out to .e the most is when we were on offense DePaul was right on top of our players, slapping at the ball. When we were on D we gave them 5 feet of space. This has to change or games like yesterday will get more frequent. They blitzed us from the start and we were on our heels all the first half. We actually outscored them second half though again we couldn't get stops when we needed them. Losing 3 starters and 1st off the bench isn't replaceable after a game. Be patient,long season is my recommendation for awhile yet. Let's say 10-12 games before we leap off a 20 story building.

 

[Rifler]

The thing that stood out to .e the most is when we were on offense DePaul was right on top of our players, slapping at the ball. When we were on D we gave them 5 feet of space.

We played the game too big,.. needed a much smaller lineup to have a chance against that DePaul team.

 

[Buddehawk]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

I am just going to flush this one and see what happens over the next couple of games before I get to irritated but last night was hard to watch.

I do think Joe T should start, he is our future at the point, Connor is more valuable off the bench. I think Pemsl should start over Nunge, Kriener is more of a 5 than a 4. Cordell provides rebounding and more attitude

 

[24 so far]

Yes, Patrick's ticket has been punched for this season...

The announcers in the first game said Jordan Bohannon could play 9-10 games and still redshirt, as long as they are in the first part of the season. 1/3 of the schedule apparently. I don't believe that is medical red shirt specific, but maybe it is. Or maybe they were wrong, but pretty sure that was the claim. I would think that would apply to Patrick and others too, but don't know with the new redshirt rules.

 

[Underscore2]

Sorry, I stopped reading at "Start Kriener in place of Nunge". Good God.

 

[HawkAssassin]

Iowa is a bad team and is going to get blown out a lot this year, so be prepared. Key to beating Iowa in hoops is as simple as the key to beating Iowa in football. Double Garza and run out on shooters and make them put it on the floor. Simply nobody capable of doing anything off the bounce. Dribble into traffic, pick up their dribble, get swarmed and make passes that would get you benched in junior high. Defense showed 0 improvement and I would say regression.

Lineup thoughts:

Red shirt Bohannon and Patrick. Start Kriener in place of Nunge to give Garza some help on the glass. I think Nunge starting ended tonight based on his play and quick hook twice. Joe and Evelyn need more PT. Slide Connor's PG minutes to these guys and use Connor at the 1-3 based on the match-up. He cannot guard the 1 and can't drive. His shot has looked better and I think he would be more effective off the ball. Fredrick is a scorer and needs more touches. Maybe even try him at PG to see if he can score or create off the bounce. Pemsl and Nunge can spell Kriener and Garza.

No lineup adjustments are going to mask the athletic deficiencies of this team. DePaul was more athletic at every position on the floor and Iowa did what Iowa does against ball pressure--turn it over and look completely lost offensively. This team will be lucky to win more than 12 games this year and lots of games will be over at halftime like tonight's was. Whatever optimism I had went up in smoke tonight with this woodshed beating.

You say that DePaul closed out hard on shooters when Iowa passed out of the post, but that is incorrect. Iowa never passed out of the post. As stated last year, Garza's assist rate was much lower than Cook's, but folks didn't want to hear it.

No Iowa does not need help on the boards right now. In fact, yesterday's defensive rebounding percentage was better than any major noncon game last year.

DePaul - 80%
Oregon - 73.3%
UConn- 62.8%
Pitt - 78.8%
ISU - 67.5%
Cinci - 68.4%
Tenn - 61.8%

Refusing to change the lineup because "it doesn't matter" is cowardly. We aren't waving the white flag after 1 game. We won a tourney game after getting destroyed vs Rutgers. Stop playing two bigs together.

 

[Incredible Hawk]

This team’s issues fall on Fran and not the players. They are simply being asked (and screamed at) to do something they are physically unable to do.

On top of that...Fran has dedicated the last two off seasons (if not more) to defense and nothing has changed.

Fran has never been anywhere as the head man where he has had to go beyond a rebuild. Bottom line...these players are busting their ass and are being set up for failure by the head coach.

This is the truth - The coaches tend to say the right things, but their message isn't getting through to the players. Speraw was interviewed at half time. He made several key points about what the players needed to do yet nothing changed in the second half (or the last several seasons)…...

Fran's teams have proven characteristics mentally weak, fundamentally unsound, and play through long scoring droughts without making any adjustments.....there are others, but the negative trends are obvious and well documented...…..

 

[hawkeyekid]

Why couldn't Patrick redshirt?

This year...because he played a minute in a game.

Unless there is some medical hardship that we don't know about.

 

[combes]

The announcers in the first game said Jordan Bohannon could play 9-10 games and still redshirt, as long as they are in the first part of the season. 1/3 of the schedule apparently. I don't believe that is medical red shirt specific, but maybe it is. Or maybe they were wrong, but pretty sure that was the claim. I would think that would apply to Patrick and others too, but don't know with the new redshirt rules.

Only if he is injured. Once a player steps on the court, he has used a year of eligibility.

I wish basketball had the football rule where a player can play in four games and still redshirt, but it doesn’t. You play a minute and you’ve used a year barring injury.

 

[Rifler]

The announcers in the first game said Jordan Bohannon could play 9-10 games and still redshirt, as long as they are in the first part of the season. 1/3 of the schedule apparently. I don't believe that is medical red shirt specific, but maybe it is. Or maybe they were wrong, but pretty sure that was the claim. I would think that would apply to Patrick and others too, but don't know with the new redshirt rules.

Bohannon is working towards a possible medical red shirt due to his recent hip surgery,... Patrick has no current medical issue that would qualify him to take a similar path. He could however, do a standard red shirt in future seasons if he were to choose to do so, being allowed 5 years to play 4....

 

[anon_qczsdwtnv6esw]

Never thought I would say this, but Moss being gone hurts a ton. Cook was a huge piece that saved us last year.

Toussaint is our best athlete and most complete guard. He needs his minutes. If Connor keeps getting them before him I can see him saying bye bye at the end of the year.

Recruiting is the key. Yeah it is great to see guys sign like the Murray twins and I have no doubt they will contribute, but I was under the impression that we were not done with recruiting.... I thought We would get Sibley, Foster, Ogundele...... but not even a sniff after the Murray's signed. Missing on those 3 is going to hurt with this class. NO Power 5 offers for any of the 4 guys we got? Seriously?! Fran needs to go. It is time. We have no excuse to give to ourselves if the staff is content on not getting the quality and depth we need in recruiting and continues to miss on their 1,2,3 options at each position. It is not just frustrating anymore. It is completely unacceptable.

Our team just looked lost out there. We got hit in the mouth and folded. No toughness out of the starting 5. I am not saying they are all bad, but they are all really good role players. If we had starting guards like Depaul has, nothing against Fredrick or Connor, then we are a good team. I worry about our depth too. We have decent players, but no stars. And it will be a very very long year.

The team may have looked lost as you said. But I thought they looked more 'intimidated' than lost. You want to beat this team, get in their face on the perimeter and be physical inside and they become grade school players. Connor will dive for a ball, but when hes dribbling and someone comes up on him, he looks to get rid of it immediatlely. The only player who doesn't look intimidated by physical play is Garza.

 

[Fan In Black]

Name these "sure fire" NBA players that DePaul has?

Paul Reed may play in the league but is no sure fire. That's it. Of course they all look like NBA HOF's against that lineup.

 

[Hawks2405]

This is what happens when you miss on a kid like Carton. It just can’t happen. I’m sorry but CMac is not a D1 PG. We could have at least run the whole offense through Carton.

 

[Call me rocket]

No doubt, yesterday all around was a Big Disappointment, duh!
I'm not ready by any stretch though to jump off the cliff. I'll be there from Chicago area on Friday and I expect the Hawks will win, comfortably. It's a long season with lots of twists and turns. The thing that stood out to .e the most is when we were on offense DePaul was right on top of our players, slapping at the ball. When we were on D we gave them 5 feet of space. This has to change or games like yesterday will get more frequent. They blitzed us from the start and we were on our heels all the first half. We actually outscored them second half though again we couldn't get stops when we needed them. Losing 3 starters and 1st off the bench isn't replaceable after a game. Be patient,long season is my recommendation for awhile yet. Let's say 10-12 games before we leap off a 20 story building.

there’s a really big reason why they were right on top of us on D and we were five feet off them on d. You know this reason if you’ve ever played.

 

[Call me rocket]

We don’t have anyone who can get by anyone, Garza can down low but that’s it. We are a team full of complimentary players, who, when a team wants to d them up, they either turn the ball over or have to take a bad shot. We are a team full of people that need an open shot to do anything. All due to
athleticism....we have none. Everything else is just a symptom of the problem.

 

[littlez]

DePaul has zero surefire NBA players. They were picked for last place in the Big East. I think they are better than that, actually think they could be a borderline tourney team, but that was an embarrassing beat down no matter how you slice it.

 

[K OKeefe]

Name one player for Iowa that you could look at and say he is as good or better than his counterpart on DePaul? I am not trying to bash anyone just asking a legitimate question. The only one that I could name was CJ.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Sorry, I stopped reading at "Start Kriener in place of Nunge". Good God.

Yeah you're right, Nunge has definitely played well enough to start. Oh wait no he hasn't. He got right amount of minutes last game though.

 

[Underscore2]

Yeah you're right, Nunge has definitely played well enough to start. Oh wait no he hasn't. He got right amount of minutes last game though.

Coach to Kriener: ..Well, keep your strength in the dribble, alright?

 

[fivecardstud14]

Coach to Kriener: ..Well, keep your strength in the dribble, alright?