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***Official Caitlin/Fever/Kate/Meg Games Mega Thread***

ESPN is disingenuous to call this "rookie rankings" when it is clear that this tool's "advanced metrics" are absolutely broken. Offensive rebounds carry WAY too much weight in this, and the proof is in everything from plus/minus rating with the two on the floor, to wins per minutes played. A math geek who got way too high on his own supply.
Where is that poster who threw out some advanced stats that said a steal was worth 9.1 points? It was only a decade old and has never been repeated but statistics can pretty much be used to tell whatever story you want to tell.
 
ESPN is disingenuous to call this "rookie rankings" when it is clear that this tool's "advanced metrics" are absolutely broken. Offensive rebounds carry WAY too much weight in this, and the proof is in everything from plus/minus rating with the two on the floor, to wins per minutes played. A math geek who got way too high on his own supply.
Plus/minus has to be one of the most meaningless stats out there.

I’m going to list the Top 15 and Bottom 15 players currently in the W in plus/minus. Except instead of referring to them by name, I’m going to refer them by team instead. See if you can spot something.

Top 15
1. Liberty
2. Lynx
3. Liberty
4. Liberty
5. Liberty
6. Lynx
7. Lynx
7. Sun
9. Lynx
10. Liberty
11. Storm
12. Storm
13. Lynx
14. Storm
15. Sun
15. Storm

And now, the Bottom 15:
154. Sparks
153. Wings
152. Wings
151. Sparks
150. Sky
149. Mystics
148. Lynx
147. Wings
146. Sparks
145. Mercury
144. Sparks
143. Wings
142. Fever
141. Aces
140. Sky
 
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Lobo thinks Caitlin will be in the top 5 when it comes to the MVP vote.

As you will see, CC has scored or assisted on 1,120 points.


 
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Plus/minus has to be one of the most meaningless stats out there.

I’m going to list the Top 15 and Bottom 15 players currently in the W in plus/minus. Except instead of referring to them by name, I’m going to refer them by team instead. See if you can spot something.

Top 15
1. Liberty
2. Lynx
3. Liberty
4. Liberty
5. Liberty
6. Lynx
7. Lynx
7. Sun
9. Lynx
10. Liberty
11. Storm
12. Storm
13. Lynx
14. Storm
15. Sun
15. Storm

And now, the Bottom 15:
154. Sparks
153. Wings
152. Wings
151. Sparks
150. Sky
149. Mystics
148. Lynx
147. Wings
146. Sparks
145. Mercury
144. Sparks
143. Wings
142. Fever
141. Aces
140. Sky
Oh, I’m not even trying to claim it’s a GOOD stat. Just better than the ridiculous “advanced metrics” this guy is using. At least plus/minus measures shows what good starters might bring to the table in the lineup.
 
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Of course I do. Every facet of the Reese/Clark dynamic is sensationalized and moronic. Tons of people who hate Clark because she's white, and tons of people who hate Reese because she's black.

That doesn't make Angel Reese racist though, and it doesn't make Caitlin Clark racist. There are differences between people and conversations about people. That gets forgotten. We all complain about the media. Well guess what, WE are the media in the modern world. We should all think about this before we put something out there.
My issue with Reese is what she did to Clark after the 2023 Championship game. The "hey bitch" The Chasing her all around the court with the face wave and pointing at her ring finger. The worst display of poor sportsmanship I've EVER seen on display in what was the womens games biggest moment of the year. I'm not calling her racist, but she and ANYONE who is okay with that or glosses over it, is exhibit A of much of whats wrong today in the world. There isn't a think she'll ever do or say that will take that image from my mind. Rubbing salt in someones open wound and to do so that publicly showed quite clearly what type of person she is.....
 
Oh, I’m not even trying to claim it’s a GOOD stat. Just better than the ridiculous “advanced metrics” this guy is using. At least plus/minus measures shows what good starters might bring to the table in the lineup.
Apologies, didn’t mean to come off as attacking you for defending that stat. Agree that some of these so called advanced metrics are absurd.

At the end of the day, it’s really not all that complicated. I think it’s somewhere earlier in this thread I posted that the Fever won 13 games total last year with essentially the same cast minus Caitlin, and the Sky won 18. Indiana is going to end up very close to if not at or even possibly above 0.500. Chicago I believe will finish with at least a couple fewer wins than they had last year. That by itself tells you who has had the greater impact.
 
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My issue with Reese is what she did to Clark after the 2023 Championship game. The "hey bitch" The Chasing her all around the court with the face wave and pointing at her ring finger. The worst display of poor sportsmanship I've EVER seen on display in what was the womens games biggest moment of the year. I'm not calling her racist, but she and ANYONE who is okay with that or glosses over it, is exhibit A of much of whats wrong today in the world. There isn't a think she'll ever do or say that will take that image from my mind. Rubbing salt in someones open wound and to do so that publicly showed quite clearly what type of person she is.....
A reasonable response.
 
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ESPN is disingenuous to call this "rookie rankings" when it is clear that this tool's "advanced metrics" are absolutely broken. Offensive rebounds carry WAY too much weight in this, and the proof is in everything from plus/minus rating with the two on the floor, to wins per minutes played. A math geek who got way too high on his own supply.
I read that the RAPTOR thingy was used in the '70s.
 
Anyone else think it's going to be an exciting, if not brutal, 24 hours? First, CC plays against the classless Sky in the final match up of the season, then Hawkeye Football tomorrow.
 
my prediction is that even though they’re missing Chennedy, this game will go right down to the wire just like every game does.
Yep, Fever/Sky is basically a brand new rivalry for the W. And despite it being less than a season old, it's easily the biggest. A lot of emotions. I still hope the Fever can take care of business and put this Angel nonsense behind them.
 
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