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Brian_Fantana said:
dgordo said:
I don’t understand why he gets a pass on his party life from the media.
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Maybe because it is slightly embellished? Or does HROT know something today’s twitter media doesn’t? It isn’t like we are in 90s when Mark Grace partied hard and could get away with it.
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Well, he’s 24 and has 3 kids with 3 different women and beat two of them on multiple occasions after coming home intoxicated. Not sure how much he parties but I doubt he’s meeting these ladies at Pottery Barn. This kid has some issues and if he plays for the Cubs again, I hope he starts in the minors and has to earn his way back to the majors.
 
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Theo/Cubs are gonna be forced to get rid of him before spring training. Would think there's some kind of clause where they could get away from him without taking a hit, financially.
 
Im4Iowa said:
Well, he’s 24 and has 3 kids with 3 different women and beat two of them on multiple occasions after coming home intoxicated. Not sure how much he parties but I doubt he’s meeting these ladies at Pottery Barn. This kid has some issues and if he plays for the Cubs again, I hope he starts in the minors and has to earn his way back to the majors.
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Oh I didn’t know you were there. Good to know. Look, I’m not defending any of his actions but you don’t think it’s possibke some of this is slightly embellished looking for a little money? He’s admitted he had issues and accepted his punishment. It wouldn’t shock me If some of this was false nor would it shock me if there are more “claims” against him. It’s the world we’re in. And why are you ok with him going to the minors and working his way back? What does it matter what league he is in. As long as he can play baseball, everyone will forget this episode. Like you said, he is still young.
 
The best thing for all involved is for this kid to play ball and make some money so he can financially support these kids he has and these women. Sad, cold, reality. It doesn't do any of these women or kids any good if he isn't producing income to support them. We don't have to exalt this guy, or put him on a pedestal, we won't, or at least we shouldn't. Playing ball, at this point, isn't a reward or excusing his bad behavior, we all know he's a puke and he'll have to live with that.

I suppose we could chuck him aside and cut him, but how does that help anybody involved?
 
MitchL said:
Theo/Cubs are gonna be forced to get rid of him before spring training. Would think there's some kind of clause where they could get away from him without taking a hit, financially.
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They didn't have to offer him arbitration. They did, they aren't going to get rid of him. Let this blow over while he's in the minors, then call him up the second half of the year.
 
33hawkfan said:
They didn't have to offer him arbitration. They did, they aren't going to get rid of him. Let this blow over while he's in the minors, then call him up the second half of the year.
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But this is a pr nightmare for the team. I can imagine the reception he gets in opposing parks. It could be bad at Wrigley if he struggles. His struggles last year could be the rule, not the exception.
 
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Have we not learned anything from the Kavanaugh charade? A lot of women (and men, and women pretending to be men, and men pretending to be women) lie to get attention.

Not saying everyone is lying, but I’m not taking one sided claims as gospel. There are three sides to every story.
 
Brian_Fantana said:
Im4Iowa said:
Well, he’s 24 and has 3 kids with 3 different women and beat two of them on multiple occasions after coming home intoxicated. Not sure how much he parties but I doubt he’s meeting these ladies at Pottery Barn. This kid has some issues and if he plays for the Cubs again, I hope he starts in the minors and has to earn his way back to the majors.
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Oh I didn’t know you were there. Good to know. Look, I’m not defending any of his actions but you don’t think it’s possibke some of this is slightly embellished looking for a little money? He’s admitted he had issues and accepted his punishment. It wouldn’t shock me If some of this was false nor would it shock me if there are more “claims” against him. It’s the world we’re in. And why are you ok with him going to the minors and working his way back? What does it matter what league he is in. As long as he can play baseball, everyone will forget this episode. Like you said, he is still young.
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When you work for a major sports network, you hear things. Not going to sit here and pass on those allegations and stories Ive heard, but these are not “claims” against him. The Cubs know it. Mlb knows it. He has kids with these women so theyre getting money whether he beat them or not.

With new allegations this week, this isnt over yet. These women have friends who saw some of this behavior happening. Based on some of the things Ive heard about this situation, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not in Arizona next year for spring training.

Im okay with him playing baseball again because this is his job. He made horrible mistakes but never took peds, failed drug tests or cheated the game. He has an alcohol problem and sexual addiction; he needs help.

At this point, he’s a distraction and in the middle of a heated division race last year, he was sitting out because of poor behavior off the field and therefore, he let his team down. If Im the Cubs, I make him send all that money he makes during his suspension to the mothers of his children and he starts the season in the minors. Nothing like brutal bus trips to remind you of how good he had it in the majors. If you don’t punish him for these “claims” punish him for letting his team down and missing games.
 
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Im4Iowa said:
When you work for a major sports network, you hear things. Not going to sit here and pass on those allegations and stories Ive heard, but these are not “claims” against him. The Cubs know it. Mlb knows it. He has kids with these women so theyre getting money whether he beat them or not.

With new allegations this week, this isnt over yet. These women have friends who saw some of this behavior happening. Based on some of the things Ive heard about this situation, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not in Arizona next year for spring training.

Im okay with him playing baseball again because this is his job. He made horrible mistakes but never took peds, failed drug tests or cheated the game. He has an alcohol problem and sexual addiction; he needs help.

At this point, he’s a distraction and in the middle of a heated division race last year, he was sitting out because of poor behavior off the field and therefore, he let his team down. If Im the Cubs, I make him send all that money he makes during his suspension to the mothers of his children and he starts the season in the minors. Nothing like brutal bus trips to remind you of how good he had it in the majors. If you don’t punish him for these “claims” punish him for letting his team down and missing games.
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Not only does she have witnesses (some of them get paychecks from the cubs) but mlb has years worth of messages and other evidence.
 
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UNIowaHawk said:
Have we not learned anything from the Kavanaugh charade? A lot of women (and men, and women pretending to be men, and men pretending to be women) lie to get attention.

Not saying everyone is lying, but I’m not taking one sided claims as gospel. There are three sides to every story.
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Umm, you do realize that the Cubs, MLB, and Russell all came to an agreement on the suspension, right? He didn't fight it.
 
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dgordo said:
Im4Iowa said:
When you work for a major sports network, you hear things. Not going to sit here and pass on those allegations and stories Ive heard, but these are not “claims” against him. The Cubs know it. Mlb knows it. He has kids with these women so theyre getting money whether he beat them or not.

With new allegations this week, this isnt over yet. These women have friends who saw some of this behavior happening. Based on some of the things Ive heard about this situation, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not in Arizona next year for spring training.

Im okay with him playing baseball again because this is his job. He made horrible mistakes but never took peds, failed drug tests or cheated the game. He has an alcohol problem and sexual addiction; he needs help.

At this point, he’s a distraction and in the middle of a heated division race last year, he was sitting out because of poor behavior off the field and therefore, he let his team down. If Im the Cubs, I make him send all that money he makes during his suspension to the mothers of his children and he starts the season in the minors. Nothing like brutal bus trips to remind you of how good he had it in the majors. If you don’t punish him for these “claims” punish him for letting his team down and missing games.
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Not only does she have witnesses (some of them get paychecks from the cubs) but mlb has years worth of messages and other evidence.
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Exactly. I could be wrong (Im definitely not perfect) but Id be surprised if he actually played for the Chicago Cubs again.
 
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I don’t think he should play for the Cubs. I would move on, but I don’t own the team and ownership is ok with it, so he’ll be back.

On another note, Daniel Murphy signed a two year deal with the Rockies, he’ll play first base.
 
Looks like Homer will be released once the deal goes through. Good deal for the Dodgers to clear salary.
 
Im4Iowa said:
When you work for a major sports network, you hear things. Not going to sit here and pass on those allegations and stories Ive heard, but these are not “claims” against him. The Cubs know it. Mlb knows it. He has kids with these women so theyre getting money whether he beat them or not.

With new allegations this week, this isnt over yet. These women have friends who saw some of this behavior happening. Based on some of the things Ive heard about this situation, I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not in Arizona next year for spring training.

Im okay with him playing baseball again because this is his job. He made horrible mistakes but never took peds, failed drug tests or cheated the game. He has an alcohol problem and sexual addiction; he needs help.

At this point, he’s a distraction and in the middle of a heated division race last year, he was sitting out because of poor behavior off the field and therefore, he let his team down. If Im the Cubs, I make him send all that money he makes during his suspension to the mothers of his children and he starts the season in the minors. Nothing like brutal bus trips to remind you of how good he had it in the majors. If you don’t punish him for these “claims” punish him for letting his team down and missing games.
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Wait so you are saying they all already knew this and this is just new to the public because of media? That is something I can agree with. Why should that change the punishment then?
 
Brian_Fantana said:
Wait so you are saying they all already knew this and this is just new to the public because of media? That is something I can agree with. Why should that change the punishment then?
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You didn’t ask me, but yes this info was all known to the cubs and mlb before the suspension. There is speculation that the cubs tried to keep the details private because they are pretty awful, now that it’s out there it won’t change his punishment but it has certainly changed the way this is being portrayed in the Chicago media. Last week most would have tolerated Russell playing for the cubs again given the statements about rehab and the cubs silly claim that they wanted to keep him to help him. That opinion has changed.
 
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dgordo said:
Brian_Fantana said:
Wait so you are saying they all already knew this and this is just new to the public because of media? That is something I can agree with. Why should that change the punishment then?
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You didn’t ask me, but yes this info was all known to the cubs and mlb before the suspension. There is speculation that the cubs tried to keep the details private because they are pretty awful, now that it’s out there it won’t change his punishment but it has certainly changed the way this is being portrayed in the Chicago media. Last week most would have tolerated Russell playing for the cubs again given the statements about rehab and the cubs silly claim that they wanted to keep him to help him. That opinion has changed.
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Spot on.
 
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I'd have to look at all the stats and salaries, but I don't know why a team like the Reds who are supposedly in a rebuild mode would take on all of that money, Puig headaches, and getting older and bad Kemp, plus give the Dodgers prospects. One of whom is highly thought of.
 
lucas80 said:
I'd have to look at all the stats and salaries, but I don't know why a team like the Reds who are supposedly in a rebuild mode would take on all of that money, Puig headaches, and getting older and bad Kemp, plus give the Dodgers prospects. One of whom is highly thought of.
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I have no idea what the reds are thinking. They went from a 65 win team to a low 70s win team.
 
hawkifann said:
This gives me hope for shedding Heyward's money. Not a ton of hope, but a little.
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Kemp, Puig and Wood can all be free agents after this year. Heyward will still be owed $86 million after this year. I have no hope of moving him.
 
They must be thinking/hoping they will be able to trade them at the deadline for some better prospects. All three have potential to have pretty good 1st half seasons. I can’t imagine any other plan for the Reds. I’d take Wood for a year or two and guessing if healthy, he will be appealing to teams. Now whether they can get better then they gave will be the question
 
Reds have been rumored to be making offers towards Kluber and Realmuto. Never underestimate the stupidity of the Reds. I could see them emptying the farm to get those guys.
 
Theo Epstein has said that 2019, is the year that
Schwarber finally reaches his potential on offense.
Cubs should be expecting 40 home runs and 110 RBIs
with at least a .275 batting average for Schwarber.
 
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Iowahawkeyes1993 said:
Report on the score app: cubs trying to clear up some payroll to sign Harper
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Well, we knew that, but who? And, if you sign Harper you will still owe Baez, Bryant, Hendricks and Contreras a lot more money in the next few seasons. I suppose they can count on money moving along like Lester's relatively insanely good deal, and FAs like Chatwood ,Morrow, and Zobrist. But, they have a lot on the books.
 
bdg8 said:
I really don’t think I want all that payroll tied up in one player. At one time I was all for it. But now I say pass
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If they could some how get rid of heywards contract in a trade I would be fine with paying Harper 30-32 mil a year I’d try to make it a 6-7 year deal though. Not ten and if we can’t get rid of heyward it’s not worth it.
 
If an 8th inning guy like Familia is going to average $10 mil/year, who knows what Harper and Machado are going to get.
 
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