So do you think that this generation somehow thinks and feels differently about Israel than the people who raised them?
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Help me out here, based on your other post to me, when you say "Israel" should leave, are you saying only Israel the country and all the Israeli's should stay? Because you've already said that its a stretch to conflate israel with Israelis.
Boy, your hatred toward Israel/Israelis/Jews is really starting to come out.
con·flate
/kənˈflāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: conflating
- combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one.
"the urban crisis conflates a number of different economic and social issues"
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There are something north of 600,000 people in Gaza who were ADULTS when Hamas came to power. Hamas, at the high end of the estimate, has 25,000 members today.
The non Hamas Palestinians outnumber Hamas by 20X (!!!) and yet despite an overwhelming advantage in numbers they never rid themselves of the Hamas scourge.
The 70% born since were also raised by this same overwhelming majority.
You can disagree with Israel and the fact that Israel exists and disagree with the killing of innocent Israelis.
Israel should dissolve and give Palestinians their land back. Israelis are free to stay as far as I'm concerned.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Yeah I know the definition I just don’t see how you could say Israelis<>Israel<>Jewish people.
If that happened, how long do you think those friendly palestinians would allow the Israelis to live? For the guys, maybe 5 seconds. For the girls, just long enough to rape them and then kill them.
Hamas is a multi million dollar genocide machine that oppresses, terrorizes, and wants to steal land.
Do you agree that Palestine has to be de-Nazified?
Israel is a government.
Israelis are citizens of Israel not all of which are Jewish.
Not all Jewish people are Israeli.
Hamas sucks. I heavily disagree with their tactics.
They used to only attack government affiliated buildings which is legal under international law since Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian land.
Israel unfortunately opened a Pandoras box by attacking innocent Palestinians and now both sides only see red and we may never see peace.
Man you’re disgusting.
Yep. Apartheid. Land theft. Occupation. Killing innocent civilians. The list goes on.
At least you're showing your true feelings rather than hiding your thoughts behind women and children.
Jihadists love your way of thinking
Human sacrifice is central to Hamas’s strategy
Pro-Hamas groups — like the multi-campus Students for Justice in Palestine, whose national leadership endorsed the murderous October 7 attack as an “historic win for Palestinian resistance” — will never deliberately acknowledge Hamas’ true nature. But two of Hamas’s top officials just did.
One, Moussa Abu Marzouk, a prominent member of the Hamas political bureau, was asked in an interview why Hamas built over 300 miles of tunnels in the Gaza Strip but has never built bomb shelters for Gazan civilians.
We built the tunnels because we are fighting from inside the tunnels,” Abu Marzouk replied. He offered no explanation at all as to why Hamas has not separately constructed bunkers for Gazan civilians below their apartment buildings, schools and workplaces.
Hamas certainly has the financial resources to protect Gazans. It receives $450 million per year just from taxes and unofficial fees on smuggled goods. But such protective structures would defeat the organization’s purpose. The value to Hamas of a Gazan human shield would be lost if the human shield were given a place to hide.
In the wake of Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacre, Hamas is counting on human shields and the effect of their deaths on international opinion as their best way to restrain, if not halt, Israeli military force. Hamas considers two million Gazan civilians, including children, as martyrs, whether they want to be or not.
“We are called a nation of martyrs,” said another top Hamas official, Ghazi Hamad. “And we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.” He promised more attacks: “There will be a second, a third, a fourth.” When asked whether he sought the annihilation of Israel, Hamad matter-of-factly replied, “Yes, of course.”
This is not simply terrorism, which is the use of illegal violence to achieve political objectives. It is cold-blooded human sacrifice, and on a scale that evokes the ritual slaughters of ancient times.
Five days after the Oct. 7 attack, the IDF urged civilians in Gaza City to evacuate “south for your own safety and the safety of your families.” The message was delivered by air through 1.5 million leaflets and with tens of thousands of cell phone messages and phone calls. Hamas told Gazans to “remain steadfast in your homes,” and recently attacked Israeli forces attempting to open a corridor for evacuations from northern Gaza.
The International Red Cross, Amnesty International, and the UN Special Rapporteur for internally displaced persons also opposed evacuation, accusing Israel of violating international humanitarian law against “forced deportations.” To worsen matters, Israel initially induced a panic by failing to provide a clear timeline for the evacuations, failed to allow sufficient humanitarian aid into south Gaza (and enough aid is still not getting in), and continued air strikes in the south which, although significantly fewer than in the north, have struck some of the Gazans fleeing south.
Even so, as West Point scholar and international law expert Michael N. Schmitt pointed out more than two weeks ago, “The simple fact is that civilians who head south will be safer….Given this reality, it is bewildering that humanitarian organizations are not encouraging the civilian population to move away from what will be a destructive and deadly urban battle.” He found it equally mystifying that humanitarian organizations were not “condemning Hamas’s efforts to keep the civilians in place.”
Events have borne him out now that, in the north, the IDF has encircled Gaza City. The hundreds of thousands of northern Gazans who did not evacuate south now find themselves in the middle of an urban battlefield hellscape that some predict will be akin to the battles of Mosul, Fallujah, or even Stalingrad.
That is exactly where Hamas wants Gazan civilians to be — and with nowhere to hide
Human sacrifice is central to Hamas’s strategy
The value to Hamas of a Gazan human shield would be lost if the human shield were given a place to hide.
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An Israeli-American woman, who defended a kibbutz during the October 7 massacre, has been stabbed to death by a 16-year-old boy in Jerusalem's Old City.
Sgt. Rose Ida Lubin, 20, was murdered near Herod's Gate on Monday morning while patrolling the border.
The killer, from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya, attacked Lubin and another Border Police officer.
Police fatally shot the attacker and arrested another person on suspicion of aiding him when they arrived at the scene of the attack.
The two wounded officers, both in their 20s, were treated by Magen David Adom paramedics, before they were rushed to Hadassah-University Medical Center in Jerusalem for treatment.
Sgt. Rose Ida Lubin, 20, was murdered near Herod's Gate on Monday morning while patrolling the border.
The killer, from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya, attacked Lubin and another Border Police officer.
Police fatally shot the attacker and arrested another person on suspicion of aiding him when they arrived at the scene of the attack.
The two wounded officers, both in their 20s, were treated by Magen David Adom paramedics, before they were rushed to Hadassah-University Medical Center in Jerusalem for treatment.
I’m not sure what bomb would be that big that Israel is dropping. More likely in my view that you’re seeing the fireball of secondary explosions from a munitions depot that they struck (probably pre-emptive strike on rockets).
Assassination attempt on Palestine president Mahmoud Abbas leaves one dead
One of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' bodyguards was shot dead in an assassination attempt on the leader after he was given a 24-hour ultimatum by the "Sons of Abu Jandal" to declare a "global war" against Israel.
Israel-Gaza war: Assassination attempt on Palestine president Mahmoud Abbas kills one
One of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' bodyguards was shot dead in an assassination attempt on the leader after he was given a 24-hour ultimatum by the "Sons of Abu Jandal" to declare a "global war" against Israel.
JFC, 90% of the posts in this thread is fvcking ignored dipshits. I’m starting to wish we had a little more mod action.
So now they're killing their own for not going full global jihad. Nice.Assassination attempt on Palestine president Mahmoud Abbas leaves one dead
One of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' bodyguards was shot dead in an assassination attempt on the leader after he was given a 24-hour ultimatum by the "Sons of Abu Jandal" to declare a "global war" against Israel.www.the-express.com
Israel-Gaza war: Assassination attempt on Palestine president Mahmoud Abbas kills one
One of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' bodyguards was shot dead in an assassination attempt on the leader after he was given a 24-hour ultimatum by the "Sons of Abu Jandal" to declare a "global war" against Israel.
Seriously, this radicalism is going to need to be dealt with and the only language they know is brute force. Time to put them down.
They have a right to defend themselves. If they were white we wouldn't be having this conversation. You're all racist bigots and on the wrong side of history
Again, jihadists love your way of thinking
So do the founders of the United States of America. Except they're white so you give them a pass.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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If this is the new “liberal” way of thinking I am going to switch to independent.
Absolutely disgusting, and no better than the MAGA nuts.
Absolutely disgusting, and no better than the MAGA nuts.
Israel are leveling innocent civilians. If that is offensive to you you better do some soul searching
Your true views just keep coming out. Now you’re even defending hamas. Your hatred toward Israel/Israelis/Jews was bad enough, now you’re on the side of hamas and terrorists. You’re on the wrong side of right.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Why is the October 7th massacre completely forgotten in all of this? Goodness.
Israel did not start what we are seeing today, but they dang sure should see it through and ensure that 10/7 does not happen again.
Like I said earlier, war stinks….but this fight came to Israel.
I switched to independent a few months ago. I don’t fit with either side.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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I have always been well into the “left” side of the spectrum….but what I’m seeing from many liberals is totally disgusting, no different for me than seeing the MAGA nuts support 1/6.
You just keep on comparing apples to asteroids. Hamas approves
In the past I’ve been on this board fighting for DEI and I still believe in it. The problem is it’s been twister by many different groups. I can’t stand the left’s version of DEI, I can’t stand the right’s version of DEI, and I can’t stand Corporate DEI. There’s nutjobs everywhere now. Luckily I’m the normal one
I’m not sure where you’re from, and I haven’t asked.
But I do think a lot of the people on this forum have parents, grand parents, uncles, and great uncles, that leveled the cities of innocent Italian, French, Belgian, and German towns to root out the Nazis.
Can you suggest a better way to deal with an aggressive and irredeemably genocidal threat than our forebears showed us?
Another friendly reminder that this could be over right now if Hamas stops firing rockets, returns the hostages, and sues for peace.
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