There was also punishment for transferring back then. Not so much now. Depth will be hard to come by going forward as anyone talented enough to be a starter that is sitting will probably transfer to a smaller school to start and get paid something.
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Because the back-ups currently at Iowa aren't of the same caliber as the one's at PSU. It's probably not that that can't do it - they just shouldn't do it. If a PSU starter goes down, they could plug someone in at many of the weights and it wouldn't be that much of a difference and they would still be in the team title hunt. Right now it Iowa it would not be worth the coin.
I'm sure there were transfers and the ability to do so then was drastically different than today.
There was a wildly different dynamic in that era. That said, just off the top of my head, Steve Knight transferred from Iowa to ISU and became an AA. There has to be a ton more examples of wrestlers transferring from Iowa during Gable's days. That's a wild claim.
That was because back in the day when you signed a letter of intent, it was like giving your word. And giving your word meant something back in the day. Also, they would have to sit a year and that usually was not worth it.
Historically, they have.Two guys left who had one year of eligibility. By this time next year, rosters will be trimmed to 30. If you are third or 4th on the depth chart, hard decisions will have to be made. NGL, losing Hill hurts in terms of depth but I understand why those guys left. Even some of the guys paying their own way will get cut and have to transfer if they want to continue wrestling.
So Chief can the fringe starter type room guys... grey shirt or not be on the official roster and just workout with the HWC or NLWC ? and wait for their chance and continue their education at their college ? or do the rules state they have to be down to 30 with none of the creative rule twisting involved or allowed?
Nah. Grapple24 says we didn't lose anyone to transfer. Going with him on this. True expertise.
First of all, Penn State has had backups leave for starting spots just like Iowa. Beard, Verkleeren, Nevills last year, Barraclough this year, etc. You don't miss the backups as much if there is a steady stream of hammers coming up behind them.
Second, I think there are also a couple reasons to stay at PSU even if you're not likely to be a starter. First, there are guys like Facundo and Mesenbrink who are more focused on freestyle and want access to the guys at NLWC as much as the NCAA folkstyle team. Mesenbrink obviously won a spot on the folkstyle team, too, but if Facundo just wanted to maximize his folkstyle NCAA career, he wouldn't have taken an ORS last year to compete solely in free, he would have transferred to a program where he would have been the starter and almost assuredly would have qualified for NCAAs with an outside shot at AA, but that year "off" to train in freestyle in a room full of other guys with Olympic aspirations was appealing to him. I also think other guys like Barraclough stayed an extra year or two before transferring because they thought that the PSU room was the best place to advance their folkstyle skills, both in terms of coaching and in-room competition, before transferring for just the end of their college careers to take a shot at glory for themselves. Finally, others may want to just stay on a championship team as a support person rather than toil away for a lesser program. Being part of a winning program is fun, especially if those people enjoy the atmosphere they are in and people they are with, and are happy with the education they are getting as well. I'm sure if you asked Chad Henne if he'd give back the Super Bowl rings he has as Mahomes' caddy to instead start for the Panthers all those years, he'd tell you he has no regrets.
Stop it. He's already spoken--Cael isn't likely to lose anyone to transfer anymore and Gable never did either. Case closed.
I don't think it will go that quickly. Guessing they will be given a few years to get down there, and/or existing guys will be grandfathered in some way.
You would probably need backups with a real possibility of making noise in March to pay them to stay.
Not true. As long as you were released by your prior school, there was no penalty. Guys having to sit out a year was rare. Most notable was Dresser and the VTech transfers leading many to believe you had to sit a year. He was just pissed off and refused to release them. The vast majority of coaches released guys who were transferring.
That wasn't as much the case if you go back further into the early 90s and before. It might have been a rule but it was honored or practiced a lot less. It evolved into it.
That's not what I heard. Granted this wasn't from someone who is paid to know, but they are quite involved with the team and would usually know. The statement was that the roster must be at 30 next year. That would require some tough conversations about guys moving on. I hope your right.
While I would hope so, keep in mind this is the NCAA and if they can mess this process up they will.
Not following you. Are you saying transfers being blocked in the 80’s and early 90’s was common or uncommon?
Sorry, the further you go back the release was less common. It eventually became common practice. That said, I could be wrong.
Ya that's not what happened. Dresser had zero to do with that situation.
I really have to disagree with TnT moving on. Worst finish of his career to date at Iowa is 8th his first year and dawned near top 5 or better all other years. Yes they are getting dated but still have the love, knowledge and enthusiasm that is needed. All that being said, who is a better replacement. There are some ideas but nobody is even close to proven.
I would rather be battling for second than 15th!
Dresser's story (not saying it was true, or not - as only him & the AD would know) is that was the AD's choice. He was not given an option. Guessing by the fact that Metcalf is now his assistant that it's true though. Money can make people look past a lot.....
The Metcalf doc would say different on him having “zero” to do with the situation.
There are far too many resources in and around the Iowa program to think falling that low consistently is a reasonable fear under a new regime. Such a poorly thought out narrative.
At this point, I don't have a major problem with someone who's firmly in the Brands camp. But the above point is just irrational.
I still find it hard to believe kids that are on the team already getting the boot.
Insanity if they don't give a grace period.
I seen it first Spooner being an optimist, you all are welcome!😁
In all honesty other than just being a great wrestler and a fun and proven club coach, Burroughs and dake, we don't even know if or when they want to coach, who else we looking at that is on the same level with a different mindset as TnT. New assistants 💯 new head not till they are done or some one really special comes along.
Battling for second and Iowa wrestling should not be in the same sentence but here we are
I think in the last year or so a lot of eyes were opened. We need to give it a little time — we got a new room, and new team and a new outlook on recruiting. We are certainly on a better course.
I truly feel we hit bottom last year. AD pretty much let the staff know things need to change or else see what happened in the football program. Right now Iowa is at best #2, Cowboys are the shinny new toy and will definitely change the layout a bit. The staff has made some major adjustments to recruiting and even training. I have sad it before I think they have a shot this year and that will definitely help with the future recruiting. Definitely need more than 1 champ and honestly needs to be a middleweight or Hwt type. Everybody knows we know how to coach lightweights better than anyone but we need more diversity
Sorry- meant to reply to the post before yours. Sometimes I hope I am not an idiot, but here we are.
You don't have to apologize to Spooner. Don't mind him. He is on his own spectrum
I'm consistently an idiot so it's OK.
Well, this may just happen. Naak listed at 174 for wrestle-offs(as is Riggins).
Not sure what you're quoting because I haven't read the entire thread, but if you're referencing Gabe vs Naak as a potential matchup...but Gabe was at least 10 lbs lighter than Naak in their high school matches.
