Never said they were asked to leave. Enough money they would have stayed period
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Maybe but everyone has a price and can be bought this why psu retains multiples. Everyone says the hawks money is not their limiting factor so why not build the war chest. Injuries can and will happen as we have all seen with the hawks in the past. WTH happens when teemer and Stephen go down with shoulder injuries. Paying a few is a cheap and safe bet.
Maybe this was true for PSU in the past, but I’d be surprised if it continued. High level stud recruits like Sealy may find there is no room at the inn. I doubt he or other studs will stick around for their entire eligibility to be room guys.
There's no maybe about it. It's their last year of eligibility and money wouldn't keep them here.
So there is no loyalty no matter what the price. I say BS
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I would take less to wrestle my senior year as a starter than collect more and sit on the bench. I don't blame them at all for transferring. It wasn't a loyalty thing imo, but more of a I want to wrestle my last year of eligibility thing.
Yeah but why would a school offer a bunch of $$$ to a kid who’s a 1 year backup?
I know this was a different time before NIL and the Wild West we have today but go back to the season that ESPN did and listen to Tom and his comments on Budke having to “earn it” and at the end, direct quote “what I will not tolerate are guys telling me what they are going to do when you aren’t living up to the standard that the administration, the fans, the tradition expects.”
Even more so now if you aren’t cutting it, prepare to be replaced as everyone is replaceable. I love the hawks and think this applies to the wrestlers on the team as well as the staff. I’ve been in the camp for a while now that change needs to happen within the staff and each year of 3rd or 5th at the national tournament only makes think that more and more.
Even more so now if you aren’t cutting it, prepare to be replaced as everyone is replaceable. I love the hawks and think this applies to the wrestlers on the team as well as the staff. I’ve been in the camp for a while now that change needs to happen within the staff and each year of 3rd or 5th at the national tournament only makes think that more and more.
Not buying it. If TnT had been winning championships, you wouldn't be thinking like this. If I remember correctly, Ramos misunderstood the matside support for Dennis at team trials, and Gilman is, well, Gilman. That "multitude of others" could stay. They chose to leave. Free country.
If TnT leave and some bozo gets hired, we will miss them.
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You're not in the minority.
We wouldn't. Pretty simple. That's expensive insurance for guys who won't score much at nationals.
Pretty sure nil has made it the same thing. And the hawks have all this money to use
It was a solid apples to jet planes analogy
Well if you want to continue on the NFL analogy you better start paying the third string guys in the room as well. Teams get into their 3rd string qbs a decent amount of time.
Oh and get the NIL revenue into the billions.
Somewhat agree, except for your last sentence...Iowa won't hire some bozo.
It's, arguably, the second best job in the country.
All I'm saying is I hope they weren't blindsided by it. Again, no idea how it went down, but there is no reason why there wouldn't be a sit down conversation to tell them what's going on and who they're going after. "Zach, we love you, you've given us your all for 4 years and not many can do that. We want to let you know we're going after Buchanan. Not sure how it will work out, but we want you to stay here."
Communicating with them, no matter how hard it might be is absolutely the right thing to do - and I hope they did. If you don't agree with that, that's fine, but that's where I stand. Have a conversation man to man.
Didn't listen to the Cobe interview, but if he sounds like things are fine between them, that's great. Communication seems to be a lost art anymore.
Except that would get Iowa in trouble with the NCAA. The reason ASU and Wyoming have nothing on Iowa is because the recruitment of Buchanan and Teemer was done by boosters. Coaches can’t recruit these guys, and talking about it with athletes who are leaving wouldn’t be smart.
Disagree. No rules against telling your wrestlers that donors are recruiting
You can disagree all you want. TNT being careful with the NCAA after last year is objectively smart.
The could also be smart by telling booster to throw money at cobe and glazier
I would argue it is still the best job in the country with the number 1 fan support.
You have a limited time you are able to compete in the sport you have devoted much of your life to. You have the remainder of this life to earn money and then piss it away. Regret sucks and when you are 50 and look back you wish you would have given it your best shot. Loyalty shown by being a back up - please. To what?
I’m not sure how done folks don’t understand that part.
I think the fan support can sometimes be considered fan pressure. Although, it is a great place to be if you are a wrestler.
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Not very, though. "Throwing money" at fringe AA types to be backups is a questionable strategy at best.
Regardless, sounds like they did have some level of NIL but would rather have a clear path to a lineup. I respect that.
So do you think that nobody on the coaching staff talked to Glazier and co about this?
It's all a moot point because they're the ones running the show, but I don't think the Brands would go about it that way.
I'm guessing not Sealy specifically, but the numbers game will claim multiple elite recruits who can't find a spot in PSU's lineup. Henckel and Facundo seem like the most likely, with at least one more out of Ryder, Barr, or the Mirasolas is probably going to get the squeeze as well. Depending on their recruiting success with guys like Jax, Bassett, or Blaze, there might be some lighter weight guys like Davis or Nagao who might be out of a spot as well. Guys like Duke and Henckel (and Mesenbrink as a transfer) more or less recruited themselves into Penn State to get a chance to train in that room (with the NLWC guys as well as the PSU varsity) and shoot their shot at a chance to make the lineup for them. Guys at this level are always confident that they can conquer the world, but simple math says that it can't possibly work out for all of them, and I'm sure some will leave for a starting spot somewhere.
So why or how does cael keep all them? Money? Better room balance mentally? Why can't Iowa pay their backups to stay?
He won't. There will be multiple transfers out at some point. Just like Barraclough, Nevills, Negron, Meredith, Beard, etc.
Guess we will see. Back in the day hawks lost no one and paid them zero nil
Oh...you think they will suddenly stop having transfers out in today's world? That's quite the take.
What day was this when no one transferred from Iowa?
