Oliver Martin still considering different schools, waiting for a Stanford offer?

[scotthawk1964]

It does sound like he is disappointed that the Hawks were not the first to jump on his bandwagon. It could also be a little ego now, as he is carrying several great school offers with MSU, WIsconsin, Michigan and Oregon in the mix. This young lad needs to realize this.....NO ONE expected the results he has put up in his camps. NO ONE, so if he has some resentment, he needs to curb it and be thankful that he went to these camps and got the results he has. That being said, I won't place any blame on the coaching staff if he goes elsewhere. Any one here remember Ross Pierschbacher? Iowa was all over that kid early and often. It was rumored he was a Hawkeye fan, but once Bama cama callin, his commitment to the Hawks was bunk. So, there is the other side of the spectrum. In my estimation, young Mr Oliver would have committed to the Hawks had they offered him when only Central Michigan was offering, and most people on the forum would have whined saying why did we waste a scholly offer on a hometown kid that we could have probably gotten to gray shirt. Now that he has some big name blue blood offers on the table, I really don't think Iowa's timing makes any difference. If he is black and gold through and through, he will be a Hawkeye, if he is another Ross Pierschbacher then he will take the Michigan or Oregon offer. Either way, we will still find another good WR........I have complete faith in the one called....ENO......

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Probably the same reason others didn't offer before Iowa - schools weren't convinced at that time yet. But then he started camping and offers started coming in. Does Iowa now probably wished they offered earlier? Probably yes, but it's an inexact science and hindsight is 20/20. I think the positive Hawkeye fans get tired of "fans" who nitpick on everything the Hawkeye staff does that doesn't work out in our favor.

Sounds like we need a SUPER FAN like yourself to monitor the site and only allow positive post. Go for it TIGER lol

 

[Freyvet]

Sounds like we need a SUPER FAN like yourself to monitor the site and only allow positive post. Go for it TIGER lol

Thanks Buddy! I just realize this is real world stuff and in the real world it's not perfect or close to it. If we examine your life (or mine) I think we would find a lot faults, mistakes and missed opportunities. I don't expect the Hawks or the coaching staff to be perfect like some do - but they are pretty damn good, the team has had a great run during KFs tenure and I respect the heck out of how they run the program!

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

I'll still trust the staff over any of you naysayers. Obviously they weren't convinced yet so they told him to convince them. He did and others. Are you going to continue to bag on the coaching staff for going after higher rates players at the time when no other power 5 schools had identified him?

They were in contact with him the whole time. Could they lose out on him, maybe, but who is to say that he doesn't continue to camp and get offers that he has now and de-commits. It's on him now, not Iowa. If he can't understand Iowa's position maybe it's better off.

So you agree it didn't help them by not offering earlier, glad you finally woke up.

 

[Freyvet]

So you agree it didn't help them by not offering earlier, glad you finally woke up.

Seriously, how old are you? My 11 and 13 year old boys don't act like you.

 

[MepoDawg#]

So you agree it didn't help them by not offering earlier, glad you finally woke up.

Hindsight is 20/20. There would have been a few on here questioning why they'd offer with FCS and MAC offers only like there always are. Not to mention those who would complain about lack of talent at skill positions. In reality it's a lose/lose situation for Iowa coaches when it comes to some posters.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Hindsight is 20/20. There would have been a few on here questioning why they'd offer with FCS and MAC offers only like there always are. Not to mention those who would complain about lack of talent at skill positions. In reality it's a lose/lose situation for Iowa coaches when it comes to some posters.

I would've been thrilled if they offered him earlier. The kid is legit

 

[DodgerHawki]

Listen to his interview on the Home page he clearly says it didn't help Iowa by waiting to offer.

Of course it didn't help that Iowa didn't offer earlier. Duh. As others have said. NO P5 offers were forthcoming until the performances at the camps, when Wisconsin, Michigan, MSU, Minnesota, etc. all offered. Those schools had access to the same high school film as Iowa did, and all of them didn't offer until the performance against high level competition at the camps.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Knowing what is known now, of course Iowa should have offered in the spring and secured his commitment. If he turns out to be a really good receiver at MSU or Michigan it's a huge miss. It's great that he has all of the options now with his camp performances.

It comes back to separating the emotion out of the thing. If he really wanted to be a Hawk as he grew up loving Iowa and if playing close to his family is important to him, that opportunity is still there for him. Don't blame him for exploring the other options now available to him. Hope he makes a decision that's good for him, and hopefully he decides Iowa is the best place.

 

[hawkster03]

I said it before which many people agreed, if he's that butthurt about the late offer I question his maturity level. That and a lot of the time it's the fathers attitude as well.

I mean c'mon the kid is from Iowa City. His whole life he's probably dreamed of becoming a Hawkeye. If he can't get over the Hawks waiting I think that's foolish and he needs to get over it.

Now if he's just waiting for that perfect fit I can understand.

 

[madmax1191]

Sounds like we need a SUPER FAN like yourself to monitor the site and only allow positive post. Go for it TIGER lol

Same can be said about a good number of posters on this board. We all know who they are.
The irony.

 

[hawkosx]

Don't know if you guys remember but a few years back KF and staff said they deliberately hold off on offering talented but under the radar kids too early to minimize the copy cat offers from other P5 schools. Remember BB when he was at Wisconsin? No inside info but I'm pretty sure this staff was doing exactly this but with Oliver hitting the Camps, the strategy back fired.

 

[madmax1191]

Don't we have two Madison Ws kids on our roster in Nate Stanley and Toren Young who were both recruited by Wisconsin?

Yes and that is because the Becky staff didn't jump on them earlier or didn't show the same interest that Iowa did. Same dynamic is going on now w/ Martin per his own words ( for those who can't read or struggle w/ reading comprehension ). The relationships the Iowa staff had built were strong enough to pull these two recruits through and they closed the deal. Bottom line is Becky dragged her feet to long w/ them and it cost them those two players. It's not like they really wanted to play for Becky but the lure of playing for Iowa was to great an opportunity to pass up. They went where they felt the most wanted per their own words! If he doesn't choose Iowa we will be fine as I have said all along. But I would love to get him.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I just think it helps some people feel better to complain.

Yes, it seems pretty apparent that Mr. Martin is hinting at being disappointed Iowa didn't offer sooner. Recruiting is a crap shoot. It happens. As some have pointed out, hindsight is 20/20.

Additionally, I think there is merit in assuming the fans using this as opportunity to mud sling at the coaching staff would have been the same fans pissing and moaning had the Iowa coaching staff offered another "MAC-level" recruit some time during the spring.

In short, some people need to get off their high horse and wake up and smell what they have been shoveling on here.

 

[madmax1191]

Don't know if you guys remember but a few years back KF and staff said they deliberately hold off on offering talented but under the radar kids too early to minimize the copy cat offers from other P5 schools. Remember BB when he was at Wisconsin? No inside info but I'm pretty sure this staff was doing exactly this but with Oliver hitting the Camps, the strategy back fired.

Good point bc Bielema, McCarney, Rhoads, and others (?) seemed to ambulance chase Iowa for recruits. With the way the recruiting world has changed they are going to have to stop w/ that strategy.

 

[madmax1191]

I just think it helps some people feel better to complain.

In short, some people need to get off their high horse and wake up and smell what they have been shoveling on here.

You can go 1st!

The irony

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I said it before which many people agreed, if he's that butthurt about the late offer I question his maturity level. That and a lot of the time it's the fathers attitude as well.

I mean c'mon the kid is from Iowa City. His whole life he's probably dreamed of becoming a Hawkeye. If he can't get over the Hawks waiting I think that's foolish and he needs to get over it.

Now if he's just waiting for that perfect fit I can understand.

This is a good post.

Some posters like to rile about those who support the coaches. Some posters just like to berate the coaches.

Few people seem to "get it" that things can be nuanced.

Maybe the Iowa coaches were "slow playing" Martin's offer. They have a tendency of doing that with in-state kids. The Hawks weren't the first to offer Kallenberger. The Hawks weren't the first to offer Duwa. Yet those guys still were happy to become Hawks. It's not like the coaches didn't respect them or appreciate their abilities.

If the coaches weren't slow-playing Martin's recruitment ... then maybe they just didn't know the degree of refinement of Martin's skill-set. As another good poster indicated ... that skill wasn't apparent to ANY P5 school until Martin did so well at those 2 camps.

The big question is whether Martin really wants to be a Hawk. If he has "hurt feelings" ... and that is impeding him from wanting to be a Hawk. Then that is probably a red flag that he doesn't have the requisite toughness to be a Hawk anyhow. If he wants to be a Hawk ... then I want him to be a Hawk. If he doesn't ... then I could care less what happens to him.

 

[madmax1191]

I talked to a buddy who knows one of the IC West coaches this morn. So this is second hand knowledge to be clear. What he said was pretty interesting. According to him Martin wants to go to Stanford?!? I hadn't heard that bf. Stanford is his #1 choice. Why? he didn't know. Iowa is his solid # 2. He's not going to MSU, UM, Becky etc. It's Stanford OR Iowa. He is holding out waiting for an offer fully aware if probably wont come. He must have the grades i'm guessing? But that is what the hold up is. I say he'll be a Hawk.
FWIW

 

[birdman1973]

I said it before which many people agreed, if he's that butthurt about the late offer I question his maturity level. That and a lot of the time it's the fathers attitude as well.

I mean c'mon the kid is from Iowa City. His whole life he's probably dreamed of becoming a Hawkeye. If he can't get over the Hawks waiting I think that's foolish and he needs to get over it.

Now if he's just waiting for that perfect fit I can understand.

I think as a major decision as this is in the young man's life he should slow play his decision. How can he make decisions about colleges offering him opportunities without at least visiting them. I didn't see what his major would be let alone does Iowa U. offer it. I might have missed it. Give a him break! He went from a 2 star to a 4 star rating in 60 seconds and he probably will entertain more offers in future. I hope he chooses Iowa and I really support all of the 2017 recruits tweeting him. Shows the soon to be players want him to! Yes Iowa only has so many offers out there left but he needs to be sure before accepting anything from anybody ie (Mr. Harris), He seems to be a very thoughtful young man and he will do well,

 

[scotthawk1964]

I have a very simple fix to all of Iowa's recruiting. Captain Kirk and company just need to start calling the psychic hotline and find out what kids they should offer, and when they should be offering. Hell, there psychics, they should even be able to tell El Capitain which kids will be all BIG and all americans. LOL

 

[icu81222]

Same can be said about a good number of posters on this board. We all know who they are.
The irony.

Finally changed the thread title.

 

[icu81222]

Don't know if you guys remember but a few years back KF and staff said they deliberately hold off on offering talented but under the radar kids too early to minimize the copy cat offers from other P5 schools. Remember BB when he was at Wisconsin? No inside info but I'm pretty sure this staff was doing exactly this but with Oliver hitting the Camps, the strategy back fired.

Now that is an interesting take. I don't believe it's true because he is a white kid from Iowa. An Iowa offer to a white kid from Iowa playing receiver doesn't throw up a bunch of flags to other B1G programs.

 

[madmax1191]

So you can read? Which means your just a little dbag huh?
Back to minecraft sonny boy.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

You can go 1st!

The irony

That makes absolutely no sense. There is no irony. Only logic and reason to be had, which clearly was lost on you.

 

[Hawks_Rock_12]

Don't know if you guys remember but a few years back KF and staff said they deliberately hold off on offering talented but under the radar kids too early to minimize the copy cat offers from other P5 schools. Remember BB when he was at Wisconsin? No inside info but I'm pretty sure this staff was doing exactly this but with Oliver hitting the Camps, the strategy back fired.

I was wondering the same thing perhaps they were trying to hide him.

 

[madmax1191]

That makes absolutely no sense. There is no irony. Only logic and reason to be had, which clearly was lost on you.

Ohhh the irony! C'mon man this is to easy

 

[JBJRFL]

I have a very simple fix to all of Iowa's recruiting. Captain Kirk and company just need to start calling the psychic hotline and find out what kids they should offer, and when they should be offering. Hell, there psychics, they should even be able to tell El Capitain which kids will be all BIG and all americans. LOL

When I first read this i thought you said "psychotic" hot line and I chuckled. On second thought, maybe they should.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

Ohhh the irony! C'mon man this is to easy

Yep, "to" easy indeed. Anyway, I do hope you're right about Martin ending up at Iowa and that a Stanford offer doesn't come, if your little anecdote is accurate that is. If that is indeed the case, though, and a Stanford offer does come, who could blame him for wanting to go there?

 

[madmax1191]

Thanks for the fascinating input.....Zzzzzzzzz

 

[hawkster03]

Don't know if you guys remember but a few years back KF and staff said they deliberately hold off on offering talented but under the radar kids too early to minimize the copy cat offers from other P5 schools. Remember BB when he was at Wisconsin? No inside info but I'm pretty sure this staff was doing exactly this but with Oliver hitting the Camps, the strategy back fired.

This was one of my thought as well. They might have thought he would go unnoticed and they could scoop him up in the end. No clue. Either way, he should just be excited with the offer, just like the other major schools.

 

[Packer54]

First I wish the best for the young man. Next I hope we get him. One thing I don't understand is why any recruit would say they were disappointed with the offer late? What is the purpose? Is that a cya statement in case he gets a Stanford offer? If we are truly #2 behind Stanford who has not offered doesn't that seem like a strange thing to say? Why not be thrilled with every and any D1 offer and then make your choice? Go Hawks

 

[CO_hawk]

I had a dream that he was playing for Michigan State, so that's my prediction.

 

[spbc7]

Yes and that is because the Becky staff didn't jump on them earlier or didn't show the same interest that Iowa did. Same dynamic is going on now w/ Martin per his own words ( for those who can't read or struggle w/ reading comprehension ). The relationships the Iowa staff had built were strong enough to pull these two recruits through and they closed the deal. Bottom line is Becky dragged her feet to long w/ them and it cost them those two players. It's not like they really wanted to play for Becky but the lure of playing for Iowa was to great an opportunity to pass up. They went where they felt the most wanted per their own words! If he doesn't choose Iowa we will be fine as I have said all along. But I would love to get him.

Young received little interest from Wisky and never got an offer, even when they were scrambling for one last minute. Stanley committed here when Anderson's staff wasn't going to offer. Not similar situations to Martin whatsoever.

 

[Hawk-A-Loogey]

Mr hawk reporting that Ollie is a big Hawkeye lean, he's ours to lose

 

[bigfridaynite]

No way coach Shaw comes into KF backyard and makes an offer to much respect between these two

 

[spbc7]

No way coach Shaw comes into KF backyard and makes an offer to much respect between these two

I hope there is some sarcasm in here that I'm missing

 

[bigfridaynite]

No way coach Shaw comes into KF backyard and makes an offer to much respect between these two

 

[bigfridaynite]

Nope jmo

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I talked to a buddy who knows one of the IC West coaches this morn. So this is second hand knowledge to be clear. What he said was pretty interesting. According to him Martin wants to go to Stanford?!? I hadn't heard that bf. Stanford is his #1 choice. Why? he didn't know. Iowa is his solid # 2. He's not going to MSU, UM, Becky etc. It's Stanford OR Iowa. He is holding out waiting for an offer fully aware if probably wont come. He must have the grades i'm guessing? But that is what the hold up is. I say he'll be a Hawk.
FWIW

I hope you're right. I sincerely hope we land the young man.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Yep, "to" easy indeed. Anyway, I do hope you're right about Martin ending up at Iowa and that a Stanford offer doesn't come, if your little anecdote is accurate that is. If that is indeed the case, though, and a Stanford offer does come, who could blame him for wanting to go there?

Their marching band sucks.

 

[spbc7]

Nope jmo

Dantonio seems to have an even bigger respect of KF than Shaw does (and has actually stated it publicly unlike Shaw), but that hasn't stopped him from going hard after Martin.

The next time that a P5 coach doesn't go after a player due to their respect of another coach, is the first time. As a fan, I'd want that coach to be canned within the hour.