Marshal University whose coach is leaving for Southern Miss. and who plays Army in a bowl has had virtually entire team enter the portal as of today. The portal and NIL mess continues.
OT: Almost entire team enters portal
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Like Jack said in Lost- "we have to go back"
I understand the concern, but why was it ever fair to make kids stay after the staff that recruited them to play for them up and left?
Makes sense. If a coach can't even stay, why should the players?
The interesting side plot to all of this is just where will they go. I mean, I wonder how many of these kids in the portal have thought through the upcoming roster size change. In past years there would be 1000 or so guys in the portal, and there was a good size chunk of guys who did not get picked up by another team. Now I think its probably triple that and the roster size lowering. In this game of musical chairs, its like there are more participants in the game, and some of the chairs have been removed. I know I'd also hate to be a high school player or their parent right now, trying to figure out where to go.
They always had the ability to transfer. Yes, there were penalties. Just like when a coach left. He/she had a contract that was likely broken and had to pay a penalty for that. At some point NIL will have to become a contractual type situation.
This has always felt like the crux of the issue when it came to "loyalty".
No doubt Odem will have lots of players available to choose from considering how swollen the portal is now....
Wrong. The penalty for a kid transferring more than once was that they couldn't even play the next year. Coaches rarely incur any penalty that would not be picked up by their new employer as part of their total compensation program.
This is the exact opposite of their opponent, Army. There is great article on ESPN about big Army/Navy game on Saturday. It talks about how these players don't receive any NIL, rarely take transfers, & commit to developing players/young men over the full 4 years.
I've always respected both academies, but even more so now that the rest of college football has gone to sh!t.
ESPN article on Army/Navy game
I've always respected both academies, but even more so now that the rest of college football has gone to sh!t.
ESPN article on Army/Navy game
Saying I'm "wrong" is pretty black and white. For one, I said there were penalties and where was the fact a kid transferring more than once even originally addressed? Secondly, unless you are aware of the contractual arrangement of the coach you have no idea what the buyout clause may or may not be.
What about when a coach gets fired? He likely will receive the remainder on the contract but has to relocate. Most scholarships are now guaranteed (unless for certain actions) for the athlete's term at the school. Of course, playing time is not. It is correct that at one point the pendulum swing way too far against the athlete - by having it go too far in the other direction does not make it right either. This in part is why NIL needs to be regulated by contract. Unless the athlete is in an At Will state, seems to be a logical direction.
The education these kids don't get is how many athletes don't get picked up by other schools and how many end up having to go FCS or DII. There isn't enough room.
There needs to be some kind of penalty/deterrent on transfers, simply for the good of the game. In the past, players paid that penalty by sitting out a year, which was arguably unfair. (Not that a year of free college education, along with the free housing, food, training, etc. that go with it is particularly cruel.)
Instead, moving forward, I would propose that any school losing a player to the portal should be compensated financially by the school receiving the player. After all, if a school spends a year or two or three investing resources into developing a player, it seems fair to me that they should be compensated for that investment. I would only apply this rule for players transferring "up" or "sideways." (ie: FCS to P4, or P4 to P4), as I don't think you could expect a DII school to have to pay P4 schools for players.
Not sure if this would be an effective deterrent or not (probably depends on the amount of compensation paid), but I think it would at least be fair. And it would probably make schools think twice about relying too much on the portal to build their rosters.
I don't think using the service acadamies in the same light makes much sense. When they commit are they not bound to stay and serve afterwards for 4 years? Even if they can leave, kids who enter those institutions are a different sort I think. And because they have very low turnover, they have no need to take on transfers. Given the expected commitments to serve after graduation, I doubt they'd take upper classman in as transfers anyway.
The service academies play D1 football, right? Regardless of the reasons why, they have the only football programs running things remotely close to the pre-transfer/NIL era.
What dumba$$ comments.
None of that can happen until collective bargaining is in place. But I’m convinced more than ever that schools would rather have the Wild West than have to classify athletes as employees.
In this NIL/Transfer portal age, ALL players when receiving NIL money should be required to SIGN a contract, and have to honor that contract depending on how many years they commit to (schools must honor it as well). Then the NCAA needs to put a cap on the amount of times a player can enter the transfer portal. Personally, once would be enough if I were making the rules, but I wouldn't be opposed to twice. Anymore then that just allows these kids to keep milking one school after another till they run to the NFL and take a pay cut. 😁There should be a some sort of a salary cap added as well, which I am sure the NCAA could figure out a method to do this.
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….. or make transfer players ineligible for the first 6 games at the new school. This would inevitably dampen the player’s NIL value and could put the brakes on escalating NIL compensation. Players would have to think twice about transferring if they would have to miss half a season. Coaches would need to consider possible mid-season disruption.
In fairness, I would keep the “one time no penalty” transfer rule and would exempt players transferring due to a head coaching change or moving to a lower division.
I don't blame coaches for wanting to keep moving up the ladder. Some goals can't be met without taking advantage of better opportunities. Having said that, I hope they aren't preaching too loudly about loyalty. And I have no problem with guys transferring if that coach leaves. We are in crazy times.
So many of these kids will not be offered FBS scholarships during this scramble. They're not being given good advice. They're being given advice that enriches their handlers / agents. It's a mess.
It’s not like Marshall hasn’t lost a whole team before. Amirite?
Too dark?
Too dark?
You read the article & realize they receive peanuts compared to what other D1 players get with NIL, right?
Good point. BTW, I believe it's now been 54 years. Time...er...flies.
I agree to an extent, there should be some sort of control.
Unfortunately the amount of times someone can transfer has already been taken to court. NCAA can't do anything about that.
The NCAA also has a rule against pay for play, so the contract is between the player and who they sign it with. Not the school. They can be taken to court, but they would really have to skirt around the "well he didn't play the whole season" part.
It's also a double edge sword. You try to sue a player for not fulfilling NIL, or for trying to leave, and that is really going to be used against you by every other coach in the nation. The power is too far into the players hands now.
NCAA should have acted 2/3 years ago when it started, now as you stated, too late. Sad!
Not quite. The West Point web site says cadets get between $225 and $625 per month, along with free tuition, room & board, etc. They're all on scholarship - no football required.
