Think how bad those players would have turned out if Fred was really lenient like Fran!
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Think how bad those players would have turned out if Fred was really lenient like Fran!
Any credibility you ever had went out the door with your sleep talking and other theories you have about the bdj break-in. Stop posting you fool
Oh yes good one. I think it's fair to say that Fran fills his teams with quality people. Fred just took anyone who was a good bball player.
I don't know another coach that would let a player who served 4 days in jail never have to miss a game and I doubt you do either. I actually like and respect Fran, I think he's a good coach but let's not pretend like he's some disciplinarian when he's proved he is not.
I never said anything about record. Obviously Fred's was better. Fran has been successful while recruiting quality people. Fred has been successful by taking the best players he can get, even if they were castoffs and problems.
Took on a heroin addict in Nick Nostow...however the hell you spell it that no one else would even touch too. He lasted what, a month in Ames?
Well one was a lot more successful than the other.
I think this year could be rough for Iowa but as long as Fran is there Iowa should be a Tournament team most years. He's a good coach. Hopefully Prohm continues the success Fred had
Lol Fred had one sweet sixteen trip, that was the highlight of his career resume. He's not exactly John Calipari.
So that translates to Fran McCaffery being the most lenient coach in the country? Smh. That is ridiculous.
Do you know how many players have gotten in trouble in the offseason for far worse crimes across the country and gotten slaps on the wrist?
I'm not doing this whole back and forth. It's silly. Since I have never posted any sort of message criticizing how ISU handles player infractions, rules violations, illegal acts, etc., I don't feel inclined to make any sort of statement of defense of anything that has happened with the UofI in that respect. In fact, if you have read my posts on this thread, you would know that I have clearly and deliberately stated the tragic passing of Jones was not a reflection of the culture at Iowa State and shouldn't be used as flame material. In fact, I have admonished Iowa fans for doing so in my posts.
However, if you are going to make outlandish statements that Fran is the most lenient coach in the country because he didn't rake Peter Jok over the coals for being intoxicated on a moped while way worse shit has happened at other programs across the country, and seemingly with impunity, then yes, I am going to call that out as bull shit.
If you think Fran's punishment of Jok was too lenient, cool. But to call him the most lenient coach in the country, yeah right.
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Are you saying Fred wasn't more successful than Fran? Also Fran has never even made it to the Sweet 16 in his career and Fred did it in his fourth year after taking over a dumpster fire.
What players have committed far worse crimes and never had to miss a game? I honestly don't care how Fran punishes his players or how he runs his program but to call out an ISU coach for not being strict enough is pretty hypocritical.
Congrats, and then in his fifth year he lost in the first round while Fran went to the second round...after taking over a dumpster fire. Fred was more successful, but not by near as much as Clone fans think. I've enjoyed reading some Bulls forums this year, none of them are impressed by Fred's college resume, and compared to other coaches who left for the NBA, Fred's resume is very lacking.
Noone has said that you idiot. But a lot of people have insinuated fran has got his success without folding anding bringing in questionable athletes to win
Fred also had several basketball players living with a walk-on in a house that was busted for growing pot, shockingly the walk-on took the charges when it got busted, and then Fred pulled some real G shit by saying he was never on the team at all. I was impressed at that move.
I didn't say any of those theories happened just that those things can happen. And as for sleep talking those are your words or some other posters, not mine. I didn't say blow by blow what could have happened to rile BDJ but imagine if he thought he was at the right apartment and he heard a man's voice. He probably had been drinking as a big percentage of young people do and that makes for bad decisions which are some times life altering. I'm not going back to find which of the myriad of articles it was now but they said it was being investigated as a murder. If not so a lot of people could get by with it easily if not for investigation. If this reasoning doesn't meet with your approval just charge it to a multi generation gap. I'm not only a female I'm older than dirt as some put it. Cheers.
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I know you haven't and I didn't intend that to be directed towards you. My apologies
And the kid never put on a jersey before he got booted. That's leniency right there. Woulda been a rotation player for fred.
I don't think signing a convicted felon who served four years in prison is helping your case of Fran only recruiting quality kids or being some strict disciplinarian when he's not
Heard a man's voice while he was sleeping, hence the sleep talking genius. And what's this credible source saying it was a murder investigation? Same one you said that he was just opening the bedroom door? Every post you make yourself sound dumber, if it's possible at this point.
Okay, no problem. I was just confused because I have been consistent in defending Iowa State and Fred Hoiberg on here.
Like I said in a previous post, how many guys have had post career problems with fran compared to Fred?
Yep, he took a chance on a young man, and it didn't work out. Personally, I think it's great that coaches are willing to give young people 2nd chances, provided the leash is short. It's really unfortunate when kids take these chances for granted.
If everyone was honest, given the number of kids Hoiberg brought in with questionable backgrounds, it's pretty remarkable there were no major incidents during his tenure and that should be respected. And I've never had issue with Hoiberg given kids opportunities to be successful. I know when I was 18-21 years old, I did a lot of stupid crap and had a lot of grace shown me.
It remains a violation on a moped and he was punished. The 4 days does show though that the law enforcement in Iowa City is not 'reaching out' to Fran as has happened in Ames for Fred. Who knows how many 'jail' days have been averted in Ames through the 'reaching out' programs for athletes there.
would you consider kicking a door in at an apartment you've never been to ok? My Gosh WHAT IS WRONG with ISU athletics.!! Jason Berryman now this...questions need to be asked regarding this school .
He got arrested for driving drunk and then got arrested again for driving with a suspended license so he was sentenced to four days in jail.
Typical ISU education. You operate or ride a moped not drive it thus an OWI not DWI.
That's close. Jok barely blew over the legal limit, so close it was within the margin of error. He was riding a moped with a light out and no safety flag. It was Oglesby's moped, by the way. We can continue to play stupid, which you do well, or we can realistically say that one thing kept Peter from going home with no more than a warning. He was twenty. The legal limit is lower for underage drinkers.
The judge offered a deferred sentence and had Jok stayed out of trouble he'd have been let go with nothing on his record. But he again borrowed Oglesby's moped and yes he did get pulled over a second time and it was for driving under a suspended license.
The court threw him in jail for four days.
Jok was suspended for nearly two months during the summer and he did miss participating with team activities. Obviously that's not good enough for you.
Any rational person would look at the facts and while Jok did something stupid, it certainly wasn't some horrible incident. Only someone like you would continue to bring it up all the time.
Cy, you and I went around and around about BDJ while he was alive. I'm surprised that you haven't learned anything from the young man's death. I've lost any respect I had for you now. This thing is bigger than Iowa verses Iowa State. A young man is dead! Seriously, people were concerned about Dejean-Jones for a long time. You should have been one of them if you actually care about Iowa State's players.
Jok got charged with an OWI which is a serious misdemeanor, then got arrested again for driving with a suspended license, got sentenced to four days in jail and never had to miss a game. I don't care if he was driving Fran's moped but to get convicted of a serious misdemeanor and sentenced to four days in jail is a big deal and I couldn't think of any other coach that would let that go with a slap on the wrist and not make them miss a game. That's unheard of
I think you need to let this go, CyCity. DanL is right on the money. And sometimes the integrity of the law is more important than the letter of the law. Jok had to serve 4 days in jail for his "crimes." To me, that's punishment enough. But as Dan pointed out, and someone else also, he was suspended from all basketball activities as well.
I can't believe you quoted crimes. He was convicted of an OWI which is kind of a big deal. It's like some people think a noise violation is worse than driving drunk on here. Can't wrap my mind around it, it's not like he was framed for his crimes. Luckily the judge didn't see it that way if we're talking about teaching kids a lesson
And today Jok is often the player that hosts high school players on official visits. He also shares his time mentoring young kids. Apparently McCaffery handled his troubles just fine. But you don't get that. Nor do you get that posters on here were concerned about BDJ while you were denying there was ever anything wrong! Way to go, enabler!
You've got no business criticizing McCaffery bud.
I never said Jok was a bad kid nor am I criticizing Fran and how he runs his program. There were plenty of Hawkeye fans criticizing him for not suspending Jok for games when it happened though. He's proven he's lienent with discipline by not suspending Jok for any games when pretty much every other program in the country does in those situations. I pointed out a fact, not an opinion, to say it was hypocritical to take shots at Hoiberg in certain ways and for some reason people freaked out.
Ask and you shall receive. MSU football coach Mark Dantonio played Chris L Rucker vs Iowa 2 days after being released from serving an 8 day sentence for breaking probation.
Rucker was suspended two games. He served his jail sentence and then was reinstated
Jok also pled guilty to his OWI instead of fighting it like Nader. Could have something to do with it. Like I said earlier, Nader had past alcohol issues, Jok didn't. Maybe that was taken into consideration. Also said by someone Jok was suspended following the second arrest for 4-6 weeks. So he didn't go unpunished as you seem to be insinuating.
