Agreed. A reasonably safe work environment is everyone’s right.My number one thing for police to do when conducting our business (not theirs), is to go home alive every night.
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Agreed. A reasonably safe work environment is everyone’s right.My number one thing for police to do when conducting our business (not theirs), is to go home alive every night.
Yes. But we don’t have direct control over how an individual citizen acts in any particular situation. We do have control over how the police conduct OUR business (not their business). When we don’t like how an event has unfolded, we are best served by looking at what buttons, switches, levers are at our disposal to manipulate the dynamic and change the outcome of the next similar situation.
That is why it is so frustrating watching people who are preoccupied with their support of the police try to shut down any criticism, and say the answer is on the citizen conduct side of the equation. We don’t get to simply change that. That is not a viable strategy, it is wishful thinking, ignoring reality. Police do what we tell them to do. It’s their job. Their job would be easier if we could find a way to build trust—that is hard but conceivably achievable.
How do you propose we get the public to comply?Expecting the public to comply with the police does not mean a police officer should not be held to high standards. This is not an either or proposition. Jeeesh.
How do you propose we get the public to comply?
Jerime Mitchell - Resisted Arrest, likely altered being a drug trafficker, have never saw toxicology report released.
George Floyd - Resisted Arrest, Altered, on probation
Ahmaud Arbery - Resisted Arrest (albeit unlawful), on probation
Rayshard Brooks - Resisted Arrest, Altered, on probation
Jacob Blake - Resisted Arrest
Why does it seem every time a black man is shot they were resisting arrest in some form or fashion? Does the fear of jail or prison cause them to behave this way? Does cultural disrespect shown towards law enforcement factor in ie rap music?
Is it okay to examine facts? I agree with holding police officers(and dipshit racist rednecks in the case of Arbery) accountable for their actions. Can we do the same with the individuals they were attempting to arrest? Or are they above reproach?
We are told by these lawyers it is "racist" to examine their criminal history, state of mind, and attitudes towards law enforcement. But is it really?
Isn't this what the federal government does in evaluating a potential hate crime? Is it also "racist" to evaluate the attitudes and motivations of the dipshit racists who killed Ahmaud Arbery? I don't believe so, they appear to be through and through racists with racial hatred as motivations, they should be charged with hate crimes.
Shouldn't these men be evaluated for their attitudes towards whites and law enforcement? No? What justifies the double standard? That police are to be held to a higher standard yes? "Higher standard" doesn't mean we have no standard for how citizens interact with the police, does it?
Anyone?
Yeah not sure how he belongs on that list...at all.Ahmaud Arbery? The guy who was jogging?
Yeah not sure how he belongs on that list...at all.
I don't think George Floyd does either.
Yes, the guy who was jogging. I'm not saying he was wrong in resisting arrest by two racist rednecks who were attempting an unlawful arrest. However it does not change the fact that they thought they were within the bounds of the law and were attempting to arrest him.
If Ahmaud stops and waits for the real police we never know who he is other than a story about a man who was wrongfully accused of crimes he didn't commit and after a few years wins a wrongful treatment civil suit against racists.
It also doesn't change the fact that he was on probation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest
Arrest
An arrest is the act of apprehending and taking a person into custody (legal protection or control), usually because the person has been suspected of or observed committing a crime. After being taken into custody, the person can be questioned further and/or charged. An arrest is a procedure in a criminal justice system.
Are you not aware George Floyd resisted arrest? Or that he was altered out of his mind? Or that he was on probation?
I had no idea you suffered from Down Syndrome. Hoooooly shit.
Dude, I don't know a single person that if they were out jogging would cooperate when 2 dudes with guns pulled up to them and "wanted to ask them questions." If it happened to me, as a white man, the first thing that would come to mind would be "I'm about to get kidnapped"Interesting, was the story something like this?
Ahmaud Arbery was jogging one afternoon, two rednecks in a truck tell him to stop and want to "ask him questions." He stops, the police are called, the police show up, they evaluate the situation and release Ahmaud Arbery after evaluating the available evidence, later Ahmaud Arbery and his family file a wrongful arrest / false imprisonment civil lawsuit against the McMichaels, later a jury awards Ahmaud Arbery $1 million and the McMichaels are charged and convicted for false imprisonment.
Or did he resist being arrested/stopped/questioned? (stop getting hung up on semantics)
Is Citizen's Arrest a thing in Georgia? Yes. Did the McMichael's claim to be making a "citizen's arrest"? Yes. Were they correct in that claim? No. All the same, they thought they were arresting someone. They were certainly trying to stop him/hold him until police came.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#:~:text=A citizen's arrest is an,to help apprehend law breakers.
A citizen's arrest is an arrest made by a private citizen, that is, a person who is not acting as a sworn law-enforcement official.[1] In common law jurisdictions, the practice dates back to medieval England and the English common law, in which sheriffs encouraged ordinary citizens to help apprehend law breakers.[2]
https://www.gpb.org/news/2020/05/15...-arrest-law-and-why-are-there-calls-repeal-it
Jerime Mitchell - Resisted Arrest, likely altered being a drug trafficker, have never saw toxicology report released.
George Floyd - Resisted Arrest, Altered, on probation
Ahmaud Arbery - Resisted Arrest (albeit unlawful), on probation
Rayshard Brooks - Resisted Arrest, Altered, on probation
Jacob Blake - Resisted Arrest
Why does it seem every time a black man is shot they were resisting arrest in some form or fashion? Does the fear of jail or prison cause them to behave this way? Does cultural disrespect shown towards law enforcement factor in ie rap music?
Is it okay to examine facts? I agree with holding police officers(and dipshit racist rednecks in the case of Arbery) accountable for their actions. Can we do the same with the individuals they were attempting to arrest? Or are they above reproach?
We are told by these lawyers it is "racist" to examine their criminal history, state of mind, and attitudes towards law enforcement. But is it really?
Isn't this what the federal government does in evaluating a potential hate crime? Is it also "racist" to evaluate the attitudes and motivations of the dipshit racists who killed Ahmaud Arbery? I don't believe so, they appear to be through and through racists with racial hatred as motivations, they should be charged with hate crimes.
Shouldn't these men be evaluated for their attitudes towards whites and law enforcement? No? What justifies the double standard? That police are to be held to a higher standard yes? "Higher standard" doesn't mean we have no standard for how citizens interact with the police, does it?
Anyone?
Not the point. None of those justify a knee to the throat and a death sentence.
Dude, I don't know a single person that if they were out jogging would cooperate when 2 dudes with guns pulled up to them and "wanted to ask them questions." If it happened to me, as a white man, the first thing that would come to mind would be "I'm about to get kidnapped"
Your original post had plenty of valid points but including this as an example of black men resisting arrest is just dumb.
Dude, I don't know a single person that if they were out jogging would cooperate when 2 dudes with guns pulled up to them and "wanted to ask them questions." If it happened to me, as a white man, the first thing that would come to mind would be "I'm about to get kidnapped"
Your original post had plenty of valid points but including this as an example of black men resisting arrest is just dumb.
At no point in anyone's life are they told to engage with folks they don't know that pull up on them. If the guy did know them, they obviously had no issues gunning down a guy in broad daylight in the middle of the road. That's not the type of folks you stop and engage with.You don't know they had guns drawn when they were attempting to stop him. We have a 911 tape that has one of the McMichaels talking on the phone to 911 and driving with the other hand. How do you propose he was also holding a gun? I would like to see that.
You must not know very many people. Most people i know would have stopped and asked them what the hell they were talking about.
At one point, I had taken him seriously. Arbery had no reason to cooperate with two idiot rednecks trying to make a "citizen's arrest."
He's either a complete imbecile or too pussy to admit he likes it when n***ers get killed. In any case, he's a waste of time to engage.
Are you referring to the McMichaels as law enforcement then?Do citizens bear any responsibility of their interactions with law enforcement at all?
Do you think zero? None? Anyone can act any way they want at all times in your view? Is that what you are implying by dismissing my queries?
At no point in anyone's life are they told to engage with folks they don't know that pull up on them. If the guy did know them, they obviously had no issues gunning down a guy in broad daylight in the middle of the road. That's not the type of folks you stop and engage with.
I'll agree that Arbery did what most humans would do in that situation.Former yes. At the time of the killing, no they were not law enforcement. However, the elder McMichael did claim he believed he was performing a citizen's arrest on behalf of law enforcement. Why do you seem intent to get caught up on semantics?
Let's just agree Ahmaud Arbery avoided or was avoiding being detained from an unlawful arrest. Is that agreeable?
Former yes. At the time of the killing, no they were not law enforcement. However, the elder McMichael did claim he believed he was performing a citizen's arrest on behalf of law enforcement. Why do you seem intent to get caught up on semantics?
Let's just agree Ahmaud Arbery avoided or was avoiding being detained from an unlawful arrest. Is that agreeable?
I'll agree that Arbery did what most humans would do in that situation.
In most jurisdictions an unlawful citizen’s arrest is considered false imprisonment. It’s a strict liability offense and doesn’t need to be carried out in bad faith or require a guilty mind. In the eyes of the law, Arbery was avoiding a criminal action perpetuated on him.
I had no idea you suffered from Down Syndrome. Hoooooly shit.
So you have no useful tips?Shoot first, ask questions later?
So you have no useful tips?
So you post a video saying you shot a guy on his own property???https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-warning-shots-protesters-neighborhood-video/
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Sounds like tonight could get UGLY. Reports of 600+ "protestors" being shipped in and national guard on site. One of these nights we are going to wake up to learn about an actual combat engagement that happened in one of these cities.So you post a video saying you shot a guy on his own property???
Real smart!!
Shame they're still alive. Rot in hell rioters
Flame away destruction promoters
thats really not appropriate. This cat is a StormFront regular and this is where it’s coming from. Same for triple K that posts on here
I hope a bunch of the losers get shot!!!Sounds like tonight could get UGLY. Reports of 600+ "protestors" being shipped in and national guard on site. One of these nights we are going to wake up to learn about an actual combat engagement that happened in one of these cities.
That's kinda messed up, dude.I hope a bunch of the losers get shot!!!
So they can get released?? Doesn't seem to be working.That's kinda messed up, dude.
Arrested, absolutely.
None. But I also don't want to see more people getting shot.So they can get released?? Doesn't seem to be working.
How many more cities you want to see burned?
Interesting take. Are you also saying that this exact line of inquiry into the mental state, prejudices, and beliefs of criminals, which is at the heart of federal hate crime legislation, is illegitimate? Why?
The only place i have ever heard of stormfront is on this board. I suppose it is another pathetic lame brained attempt at painting me as a racist. Try again slick. Why are people so afraid of defending their own ideas? I don't know. I suppose the infantile reflex is ad hominem attack but it is not nearly as enjoyable as debate. Try it, try to convince me that your position is correct without name calling. Give it a try.
Yes, the guy who was jogging. I'm not saying he was wrong in resisting arrest by two racist rednecks who were attempting an unlawful arrest. However it does not change the fact that they thought they were within the bounds of the law and were attempting to arrest him.
If Ahmaud stops and waits for the real police we never know who he is other than a story about a man who was wrongfully accused of crimes he didn't commit and after a few years wins a wrongful treatment civil suit against racists.
It also doesn't change the fact that he was on probation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest
Arrest
An arrest is the act of apprehending and taking a person into custody (legal protection or control), usually because the person has been suspected of or observed committing a crime. After being taken into custody, the person can be questioned further and/or charged. An arrest is a procedure in a criminal justice system.