LMAO this is such a stupid line of thought. Just pretend it's not there! Problem solved!
Over 30% of Iowa Players Unvaccinated. They will be Tested Weekly. If they Cause a a Game to Be Canceled....
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Exactly. This shouldn't be political. We all want to watch Iowa football this Fall. The best chance of not having any issues arise is the whole team being vaccinated. Then they don't have to get tested weekly. I don't understand why this is such a difficult thing to grasp for some people.
It’s “they’re”, and you’re avoiding the question. I’m asking your personal opinion. Do you agree that the decision should be left to the individuals and players shouldn’t be forced to take it?
No one said they skipped steps. However, you CAN NOT study long term implications when you don't have a long term to actually do the study.
My understanding is this is the first vaccine that has been developed in this manner. So I don't believe what you said above is accurate.
Constitutional Rights are not suspended so a football game can take place. I applaud those who have refused to take an Emergency Use jab to play a football game. Just my opinion- sorry if it does not align with your opinion.
Franklin at Penn State said: "The intention is to try to get as close to 100% as possible. I’m going to have conversations, I’m going to try to educate. I’m constantly sending my guys articles and videos and things that I see out there". Ferentz could do the same thing. Get a little more proactive. UIHC is only a few yards from Kinnick Stadium. Ferentz has the best example right there at UIHC. Between April 1 to June 23, UIHC had over 200 hospitalized patients with COVID. Of that, approximately 85 percent had no record of vaccination.
You don’t think they learned or were able to apply any of the knowledge or experience they got in those other processes?
Common sense should be applied
I hope the 30% continue to exercise their own personal freedom to choose what gets injected into their bodies.
Round of applause to these players.
Round of applause to these players.
So many bad faith arguments presented by the anti-vaxxers in this thread.
“Emergency use jab”? Really? So all of these scientists and other folks in the know say it’s safe and you should 100% get it and all of a sudden it’s against a person’s constitutional rights? You people wouldn’t get it even if it has been out for years. How many of you get yearly flu shots?
“Emergency use jab”? Really? So all of these scientists and other folks in the know say it’s safe and you should 100% get it and all of a sudden it’s against a person’s constitutional rights? You people wouldn’t get it even if it has been out for years. How many of you get yearly flu shots?
They are not forced to take the vaccine. They get to play either with or without being vaccinated. Why is this so hard to get through to you? I didn't make the policy nor was I there to hear the reasoning behind it from the B10 medical professionals. But you seem to think you're better at it than they are. I've said this 4-5 times. And you have avoided my question as well.
Here's who you think you know more about covid and I will defer to them.
COVID-19 Medical Advisory Group
The NCAA advisory panel and NCAA membership.
Group includes:
Committee Members
Dr. Chad Asplund, professor, family medicine and orthopedics at Mayo Clinic
Dr. Doug Aukerman, senior associate athletics director for sports medicine at Oregon State
Dr. Arthur Caplan, professor and founding head of the division of medical ethics at NYU School of Medicine and chair of the Compassionate Use Advisory Committee
Dr. Deena Casiero, director of sports medicine, head team physician at Connecticut
Dr. Jeremy Cauwels, chief medical officer and senior vice president of quality at Sanford Health
Dr. Stephanie Chu, team physician at Colorado and member of the NCAA Committee on Competitive Safeguards and Medical Aspects of Sport
Dr. Jay Clugston, team physician at Florida
Dr. Carly Day, head team physician at Purdue
Dr. Carlos del Rio, distinguished professor of medicine at Emory University School of Medicine and professor of global health and epidemiology at the Rollins School of Public Health of Emory University
Dr. Kyle Goerl, director of student health at Kansas State
Murphy Grant, Sr. Associate AD, Athletics Health Care Administrator at Wake Forest University
Dr. Nicholas Haddad, associate professor of infectious disease at Central Michigan
Dr. Leon McDougle, chief diversity officer, professor of family medicine at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center; associate dean for diversity and inclusion at The Ohio State University; president of the National Medical Association
Dr. Mark Stovak, team physician at Nevada and second vice president of the American Medical Society for Sports Medicine
Dr. Jeff Williams, director of athletics at East Central University
Dr. Cameron Wolfe, associate professor of medicine at Duke and associate of the Duke Initiative for Science & Society
I'm done.
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Bwahahaha…Dude, all I’m asking is if you agree with the policy of letting unvaccinated players play? Why do you keep avoiding the question? A yes or no works just fine…lol
It is no concern to either side if one does not get vaccinated. If you're vaccinated, you're safe. If not, you're willing to take the risk. Your weak scared views are disgusting and offensive. Isu and a lib, yikes.
Right!, they have the freedom to kill their parents, grandparents. It's not freedom. It's stupidity. They're helping the virus to stay alive, mutate into more dangerous and easy to catch. Why are we even having this conversation now? We could have gotten covid under control if the stupid people gave a rats about their family, neighbor, fellow citizens.
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Overdramatic much? You do realize even the vaccinated can still carry and pass on the virus, right?
Let's say in 1985 (during the AIDS fears) an HIV vaccine hits the market, what would the reaction have been if the government and others were pushing the vaccines, or else face shame and being ostracized? i think all hell would have broken loose, just sayin'.
With that said, We must flatten the curve in order to return to "normal" became finding a vaccine before we can return to normal.... don't wear a mask, wear two masks... Government officials demonstrating they were liars and phonies, or totally ridiculous. A paddle boarder alone in the ocean and not near anyone gets surrounded by the cops and escorted to jail.... Gov Newsom and his party is out to dinner without masks, Pelosi getting her hair cut, RBG officiating a wedding with no mask, and then the idiots at the Olympics during opening ceremonies posing for the tv the camera, then realizing, I don't have my mask on, and suddenly covering their face.
One's skepticism is totally understandable. Fwiw, I got vaccinated a long time ago.
With that said, We must flatten the curve in order to return to "normal" became finding a vaccine before we can return to normal.... don't wear a mask, wear two masks... Government officials demonstrating they were liars and phonies, or totally ridiculous. A paddle boarder alone in the ocean and not near anyone gets surrounded by the cops and escorted to jail.... Gov Newsom and his party is out to dinner without masks, Pelosi getting her hair cut, RBG officiating a wedding with no mask, and then the idiots at the Olympics during opening ceremonies posing for the tv the camera, then realizing, I don't have my mask on, and suddenly covering their face.
One's skepticism is totally understandable. Fwiw, I got vaccinated a long time ago.
You do realize that the vaccinated have a helluva less chance of being hospitalized and dying. Your weak ass excuses are running out of time with more and more employers. If you have a job, you might be told to get vaccinated or told to get out.
Nobody tell these two about the mandatory meningitis vaccine requirement for all Iowa students.
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Bwahahaha! Nice swerve! Your original argument was that people were killing their parents and grandparents because they’re unvaccinated. Truth is, you can pass the along the virus whether you’re vaccinated or unvaccinated. You lost that point big. As for myself, my body, my choice, right?
Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals
Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate the necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2. Methods Employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System working in Ohio on Dec 16, 2020, the day COVID-19 vaccination was started, were included. Any...
Results Among the 52238 included employees, 1359 (53%) of 2579 previously infected subjects remained unvaccinated, compared with 22777 (41%) of 49659 not previously infected. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among previously infected unvaccinated subjects, previously infected subjects who were vaccinated, and previously uninfected subjects who were vaccinated, compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study.
Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.
Here is just common sense data. Look up covid reinfection tracker at BNO News. They give two statistics about reinfections. Actual Confirmed cases which we have a whopping 169 CONFIRMED CASES WORLD WIDE. Or even look at the more generous stat of now almost 80K suspected cases world wide(which everyone knows would not be accurate and greatly inflated).
But to use an absolute worst case scenario take the 80,000 suspected cases and compare that to the 196,200,000 cases according to John Hopkins Covid map.
***The conclusion: Natural immunity by previous infection provides great immunity just like we have treated past diseases.
COVID-19 reinfection tracker
NOTE: This page is no longer being updated. The table below shows confirmed cases of COVID-19 reinfection. The first confirmed case of reinfection was reported in Hong Kong in late August 2020, and 543 other cases were reported over the next year, along with nearly 180,000 suspected cases...
COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)
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So, your suggesting that people get infected?Here is just common sense data. Look up covid reinfection tracker at BNO News. They give two statistics about reinfections. Actual Confirmed cases which we have a whopping 169 CONFIRMED CASES WORLD WIDE. Or even look at the more generous stat of now almost 80K suspected cases world wide(which everyone knows would not be accurate and greatly inflated).
But to use an absolute worst case scenario take the 80,000 suspected cases and compare that to the 196,200,000 cases according to John Hopkins Covid map.
***The conclusion: Natural immunity by previous infection provides great immunity just like we have treated past diseases.
COVID-19 reinfection tracker
NOTE: This page is no longer being updated. The table below shows confirmed cases of COVID-19 reinfection. The first confirmed case of reinfection was reported in Hong Kong in late August 2020, and 543 other cases were reported over the next year, along with nearly 180,000 suspected cases...bnonews.com
COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)
Yes, that’s exactly what he’s suggesting! *facepalm*
Stop with the over-dramatic garbage and respond logically to the point he’s making.
You hit on my biggest concern - hospitals filling up with dumbasses that know better than science. You're seeing it more and more now on the news - people so sorry they didn't get the vaccine in a hospital bed in very serious condition and it's starting to explode again.. Is the vaccine perfect ? Of course not but pretty damn effective, Right now it keeps the vast majority out of the hospitals and dying. I'm 71 with some conditions that are normal for my age and have concerns about if something serious should pop up that I could have issues finding a hospital bed because dumbasses are tying them up with something that could have been prevented.
But, God bless America where everybody has a chance to be locked into their own views - and not change them - no matter how it could affect others around them. And "affecting others around them" is the key thought with this pandemic
Are you trying to be disingenuous? I am illustrating essentially the reinfection rate is essentially zero USING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO and does not spread the disease. Using the worst case scenario of 80,0000/196,200,000 is .00004 or .004%. 4 out of every thousand people, but we need the ruling class to come in and dictate people's lives out of safety issues that they deem people must obey!
Oh wait, its coming. Some progressive will chime in "You must want your grandmother Martha to die"!
i think heard immunity does Real well at that infection rate!
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Yes. Let's compare a medicine that's been FDA-approved for over 40 years to a non rat-tested experimental injection of monkey-puss.
Your opinion doesn't matter either. The people in charge, are in charge of fear porn and peddling fanatical tyranny, if you don't "fall in line" with what the media and "people in charge" have to say, you'll be attacked. As so many have had to say on one particular side of the political aisle, for 50 years now..."My body, my choice". But that only applies in one instance and not for anything else, right? BTW, I CHOSE to get the vaccine, but with a .08 mortality rate with the Delta variant and NO conclusion on the comorbidity factors (Did they die from something and HAD covid, or did they have something and died FROM covid?) even if I didn't have the damn vaccine, I wouldn't be concerned about Delta. No one wants to answer that question about comorbidity honestly.
Also, like any virus, the mutations continue to change and typically devolve to become LESS intense as more people are exposed and herd immunity is increased. But let's lock people down, mask them up (which has been proven in multiple studies in Europe to be more harm than good) and not allow the virus to weaken itself. Makes sense.
Wow, you'd make Stalin, Lenin and Mao proud. Good little commie!
If you have that fear, stay at home and live in fear. If you have been vaccinated, then by all accounts YOU should be fine. Right? Or is the vaccine not effective? Hmmm...quandaries...and that damn constitutional right to choose your own adventure in life. My body, my choice!
I can't speak for anyone else, but my wife and I are both currently covid cases. She was fully vaxxed, got the Pfizer both doses back in March. I am not vaxxed. Her symptoms are worse than mine. it took me about 10 days to feel normal again, its taking her longer to overcome her symptoms. We went to the ER about our 3rd night of symptoms and we waited in a covid-only waiting room. there were probably 20 or so other people in there and I was the only one who was not vaccinated. Most said they had Pfizer or J and J. I was one of the least symptomatic there. They never gave us a blood test or a covid test at the ER, we tested at a CVS off site a couple days prior to our visit. I do not know how they are reporting 99% of cases are non-vaxxed or how they are reporting variants when they never tested for it.
Having had covid now, and experienced the symptoms, I wouldn't recommend anyone do anything they aren't comfortable with. If you want the vaccine by all means get it, if you have reservations or questions that need to be answered before you take it, make sure you get your answers first.
There are a lot of branch covidiots that think this thing is captain tripps and its just not true. When the "smart" people who "follow the science" can't answer simple questions like, if your mask works, why do I need a vaccine? If your vaccine works, why do I need to mask? When the standards are constantly changing from cases to deaths, back to cases, whatever the worst data is for the moment to support the agenda... that's not science.
If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished, or criminalized what you're being promoted is not in your best interest.
Having had covid now, and experienced the symptoms, I wouldn't recommend anyone do anything they aren't comfortable with. If you want the vaccine by all means get it, if you have reservations or questions that need to be answered before you take it, make sure you get your answers first.
There are a lot of branch covidiots that think this thing is captain tripps and its just not true. When the "smart" people who "follow the science" can't answer simple questions like, if your mask works, why do I need a vaccine? If your vaccine works, why do I need to mask? When the standards are constantly changing from cases to deaths, back to cases, whatever the worst data is for the moment to support the agenda... that's not science.
If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished, or criminalized what you're being promoted is not in your best interest.
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Many times there is an incestuous relationship between the so called "expert" and where they get funding or are financially rewarded. The bonds between universities and progressive ideology & government control are pretty deep and dissenting view is essentially not allowed when you look at the number of new hire professors that are conservative. Universities benefit from federal funding quite a bit and would it be surprising university employees come up with what progressive ideology wants it too?
Sorry for your loss brother.
The media and politicians don't talk about that shit. Never will. It is all about a narrative to them.
Who gives a good goddamn if they are "losing patience"? What are they going to do about it? I'll wait with baited breath to hear the Nazi, tyrannical response, to what is going to happen to those with whom "they've lost patience with".there are stories today about how the vaccinated are losing patience with those who have yet to get vaccinated.
we had made so much progress as the vaccines rolled out. Now we are going backwards as the delta variant is spreading.
It looks like the CDC is going to recommend masks for everyone in the current covid/delta hot spots.
This is from the NY Times:
As COVID-19 cases rise, anger spreads among the vaccinated
Many inoculated Americans are losing patience with vaccine holdouts. But experts warn a tougher stance may backfire.www.startribune.com
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