I wonder if they actually think it’s a good idea or if they’re paid to think it’s a good idea
Packing heat, coming to a school near you soon
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The nuns always were packing when I went to school...
Some of them are pretty stupid and actually believe it's a good idea. Some of them know it's a bad idea but also know where their bread is buttered. The first group makes me kind of sad, the second group makes me angry.
It’s always funny when people try to rationalize the irrational
I love how they want the teachers to jump through hoops to carry at school, but no one else in the freaking state has to do anything special to carry everywhere else in the state. Breathe and you get a gun.
And it won't make a goddamned difference, it just gives the GOP that special feeling between their legs.
And it won't make a goddamned difference, it just gives the GOP that special feeling between their legs.
That's because no one shoots well in a high stress environment. Even SF/SEALs miss a lot when under stress, and they train by shooting A LOT in stressful situations, probably more than anyone in the world.
I guarantee one of two things happens in the near future and I hope I'm wrong, but:
1. Student steals gun from teacher and kills people
2. A jaded teacher shoots first and asks questions later.
That is a bet that I could push all my money into the table but I won't because both are sickening scenarios
1. Student steals gun from teacher and kills people
2. A jaded teacher shoots first and asks questions later.
That is a bet that I could push all my money into the table but I won't because both are sickening scenarios
Hey, I hate the government too. Maybe we can be friends after all, eh tommy?
The school shooters plan to die. They will not be deterred. It’s likely these guns will kill innocents. Guns are dangerous and don’t belong in schools.
Here are just a few reasons off the top of my head why introducing guns into schools is a very bad idea:
First, introducing firearms into a school environment significantly raises the risk of accidental discharge, potentially leading to injury or death among students, teachers, or staff. Secondly, even with training, there is always a risk of firearms being misused by individuals with ill intentions, such as students gaining access to them or teachers mishandling them in stressful situations. Thirdly, the presence of firearms can escalate conflicts or disputes, turning minor incidents into life-threatening situations with irreversible consequences.
Those are just the "what could go wrong" scenarios. What about a complete Contradiction to Educational Values? Schools are meant to be places of learning, growth, and safety. Introducing firearms contradicts these values and undermines the fundamental purpose of education as a means to cultivate critical thinking, empathy, and peaceful conflict resolution.
Good grief.
Not a school shooter, but bear with me. Isn’t the whole school shooter plan 99% of the time “shoot people until someone kills me?” More guns aren’t going to deter that.
Not a school but churches are wrestling with the same issues. Ministers torn between allowing churchgoers to carry or not. It is a no win situation for them.
Do they satisfy the small peen rambos and boost the attendance by these wannbe heros......at the expense of other parishners leaving if learning their church is a playground for these overage children.
It was a lot easier when churches were off limits for guns except of course leos.
Do they satisfy the small peen rambos and boost the attendance by these wannbe heros......at the expense of other parishners leaving if learning their church is a playground for these overage children.
It was a lot easier when churches were off limits for guns except of course leos.
This will also make a division between teachers
Listen, I have no problem with hunters and those that want to go to fire range. None. Zippo. But guns in schools is beyond even a debate.
I worked at a school and one of our elementary teachers was in the army reserves. He had 2 active duty rotations to the Middle East while I worked with him. He is also not a fan of carrying in a school setting.
Because he knows the damage that can be done, but not undone.
I was heavily armored in Iraq, and had restraint because I knew the rules, and I wasn't going to shoot just because I could.
Teachers will have no such training.
Are our students now the enemy?
Teachers will have no such training.
Are our students now the enemy?
Maybe but Kim wants to cut the AEA and that’s who does many of our trainings.
Okay, all of your post is just ridiculous nonsense. It’s a silly word salad trying to influence the ignorant against the responsible carry of a firearm in instances where a firearm is needed. Live in your fanciful world where the worst case scenario never happens and and I’ll live in reality. So stupid.
Why don't you enlighten us all and lay out this beautiful armed teacher plan. And by all means, feel free to use small words for us simpletons.
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For someone who thinks he is the arbiter of all knowledge on this board, this is a stupid post. How does hoping to deter shootings not fit in with pro life? Did you get hit on the head with a coconut?
The worst case scenarios, where weapons will be used in schools, will happen more frequently if teachers are carrying. That’s a fact.
IMO in order to use a gun effectively in an active shooter situation you really need regular pressure testing.
If you don't regularly practice a skill you won't be good at it and this amplifies in high intensity situations. There aren't a lot of good methods for pressure testing with firearms. I imagine a lot of ex military folks know this which is why they wouldn't want to carry.
Well, of course you do. So, let's use my 4'10", 25 yo daughter who's a MS theater teacher. She's up at 6am getting ready for her 45 min commute. She teaches all day, then typically has theater practice until 6:30-7pm. Another 45 min drive home to cook dinner and either have some quiet reading time before bed OR like she's been doing lately, studying for her elementary school certification.
Where are we inserting the much needed tactical training for a woman who can't even rack the slide and has fired a weapon once in her life.
Maybe she can spend her Saturday's doing this?
This is a good thread, lots of good points for why this isn't likely to be a good idea. I particularly like @Moral USAF example.
I can see a potential deterrent, but think it's cancelled by the likelihood a student gets ahold of the gun, doesn't even have to take it from their parents house. Of course the damage would be limited in that scenario due to lack of ammo, but it's still a risk.
The question comes to mind. Iowa isn't the first to do this, how has it gone for others? They aren't talking about arming every teacher, merely telling those who want to have a gun that it's OK. I'm not spending the time googling it, but some sound statistics would be interesting.
I can see a potential deterrent, but think it's cancelled by the likelihood a student gets ahold of the gun, doesn't even have to take it from their parents house. Of course the damage would be limited in that scenario due to lack of ammo, but it's still a risk.
The question comes to mind. Iowa isn't the first to do this, how has it gone for others? They aren't talking about arming every teacher, merely telling those who want to have a gun that it's OK. I'm not spending the time googling it, but some sound statistics would be interesting.
First, that's not remotely true. Second, there's no point in explaining, again, how things work in reality. But I will try. Allowing guns in schools is not going to save lives. You seem to be a pro-gun person, which doesn't make you pro-life. Ultimately, you're nothing but a forced birth guy. You're pro the number one killer of kids in America. But forced birth. Against women's rights. Not pro-life like you seem to think you are.
how long until there are proposals to just let the children carry weapons in schools?
Bangs McGee was always so nice, I never imagined they would do something like this.
I hate that we can no longer live without fear that some nutjob is going to bring a gun(s) to school and start shooting up the place.
That seems to be more upsetting to me then someone putting something in place to try and stop said nutjob.
