Packing heat, coming to a school near you soon
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To me I see the odds of a teacher successfully using a firearm to stop a active shooter situation to be much lower than the odds of a student getting ahold of the teachers gun and using it themselves (thus creating an active shooter situation) or some sort of accident in which a teachers gun is discharged and hits a student.
We already have a tough enough time getting cops to confront active shooters. Cops with kevlar vests and rifles. Now a teacher with no vest and a glock is going to go confront and win against someone potentially carrying an AR15?
Your best case scenario still has the teacher at a massive disadvantage but the worst case scenario involves unwittingly arming a school shooter who may not have had the means to shoot up the school before.
This may turn out to be a bad idea, or maybe not. I seriously doubt teachers will shoot up a classroom, because they can probably do that now, and it hasn't happened. The bigger danger is a teacher having a gun in school, and not securing it properly, allowing a student to have access they might not otherwise have.
The flip side of the argument is that mass shooters tend to choose gun free zones to commit their atrocities.
The flip side of the argument is that mass shooters tend to choose gun free zones to commit their atrocities.
If I read this correctly, and I think that I do...more guns. To stop guns.
Sigh. It's a TERRIBLE IDEA!!! I'm so tired of people who know nothing about schools making decisions about schools and then, because party, others agree with them. In this case, the NRA is THRILLED by this, because they are getting their money's worth from the politicians they have bought.
Gun free zones?? What? How would one know when millions are carrying? A shooter is still going to do damage in a school before a staff member goes into a closet and takes his/her gun out of a lock box which will absolutely be policy when this gets enacted. The adults have to follow the rules or get fired, unlike the kids.
I'm very much against this, but I'm with you. Good. Let's get these loads of guns in schools in this state. This will be a classic "F#ck around and find out" test. And when something goes terribly wrong, nobody gets to pretend they are surprised or serve up a fresh dish of T's and P's.
When the school district in Cherokee was pushing this last year, they had at least 45 staff members sign up and say they wanted to carry a gun at school. That's at least 45 guns across three schools for a town with barely 5,000 residents. This definitely, totally, for sure won't end badly at all for anyone involved.
And years and countless hours of training by police. But some teachers doing some weekend courses are ready to roll some shooters.
I talked with a few fellow educators and there were a couple that would be interested. Their thought is this, it’s been shown that when active shooters are confronted with a firearm they kill themselves. The only valid reason for educators to carry is that they would confront that shooter soon and the shooter might kill themself.
I think you need to practice your reading. You are putting a whole bunch of words in my mouth.
Not in favor of this BUT if teachers/administration carrying were to happen, here is what I'd like to see.
Extensive training with local police and student resource officers. This training would be far beyond just shooting on a range and would include monthly off hour training in the school itself.
No CC. Just like the resource officers, the weapons would be open carried in high retention holsters ideally with empty chambers. No sticking a gun in a purse or a small gun in a cheap hidden non retention holster.
Guns will be fully disclosed who is carrying and what. Parents/students can then decide if possible if they have an armed/unarmed teacher or even if they would rather open enroll elsewhere.
Some people will disagree about no cc and claim that guessing on who is carrying is a large part of the deterrent. I don't necessarily agree with that in a school scenario and think the safety of controlled open carry over cc is major in preventing accidents.
Extensive training with local police and student resource officers. This training would be far beyond just shooting on a range and would include monthly off hour training in the school itself.
No CC. Just like the resource officers, the weapons would be open carried in high retention holsters ideally with empty chambers. No sticking a gun in a purse or a small gun in a cheap hidden non retention holster.
Guns will be fully disclosed who is carrying and what. Parents/students can then decide if possible if they have an armed/unarmed teacher or even if they would rather open enroll elsewhere.
Some people will disagree about no cc and claim that guessing on who is carrying is a large part of the deterrent. I don't necessarily agree with that in a school scenario and think the safety of controlled open carry over cc is major in preventing accidents.
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With a wife as a teacher (pictures in another thread) and three kids still in school this is a big no go for me. The less guns in a school the safer it will be.
I'm sure it would be but if I had a kid in a "carry school" and there was no disclosure and cc was allowed......my kid would be open enrolled out immediately.
They don’t choose schools because they are gun free zones.
What makes you think people know nothing about schools?
Most schools are currently gun free zones, and law abiding people are the only ones not carrying. In Florida, signs are posted in gun free zones, saying so. You should rethink your argument on that one.
Your scenario is very narrowly focused. The first classroom attacked will certainly have no time, but every classroom that manages to lock down will have a better chance.
Guns aren't for everyone. People who don't know how to safely use a gun shouldn't have one. People who don't think they can use a gun for it's intended purpose, recreation, defense, hunting, or otherwise, shouldn't have one.
Looks like you read it wrong.
I’m saying this world has gone to shit. Kids used to bring hunting guns to school all the time and no one feared the place would get shot up.
Plenty of things in life should be corrected but the lazy response is to give teachers guns to try and stop it.
Being lazy is the solution to everything and what has caused these problems to begin with.
Have said many times; there’s 100 ways I can see guns in schools go badly, and only 1 where it works out.
lol, you honestly think students wouldn’t figure out who was carrying?
I can’t begin the imagine how much time and money this would add on for teachers.
Let me just stop you there. That’s a bigger fantasy than kindergarten cop taking down an active shooter.
Because they show their ignorance about them every single day on social media. That's why. It would be like me telling you everything that needs to be changed in whatever it is that you do...it would be ignorant. Everybody seems to think they understand education. They do NOT, because they aren't in it.
I have read your posts for a long time. You are what you are. Forced birth is your number one issue. Actual humans are far down on your list of cares.
I never said it would be required of teachers/admin...or even that it should be allowed (imo it should not be). What I stated is that if carry among teachers and admin happens.....those should be conditions for carry.
