I realize that there is only so many minutes available but for the life of me I cant understand not giving PS a legit shot at producing for this team. Is his defense so poor that we cant take advantage of his height on rebounding end. He seems to be able to get a shot off any time he wants - his outside shooting seems sorely needed. I mean c'mon - less then i minute of playing time?
Payton Sandfort
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I think it's less a defensive liability (half the team is that) and moreso ill advised turnovers and inability to handle pressure defense. In my untrained opinion.
I think Sandfort should be playing to see if he can hit the 3ball---but he probably doesn't have the ball handling to be playing a second guard. So at the "3" he has to get PT from PMAC and Kris....but Kris already is not getting enough PT. His PT would have to come out of PMAC minutes and good luck with that.
I'd argue he will end up being a pretty dang good shooter in his time at Iowa.
He has a lightning quick release. He's playing like a Frosh. Maybe cut him a little slack
You kind of answer your own question by saying there are only so many minutes available. The goal is to win games, to do that you have to put your best players out there for as many minutes as they can reasonably handle and be effective.
He is doing fine as a freshman. Shooting 34% on 3's. Will likely and hopefully get better on that in subsequent years. Getting off a clean look at a 3 in Iowa high school basketball is much different than a Big 10 game. Other things he does well is protect the ball (turnover rate very low), make free throws (11-12). But he's a pretty poor rebounder. Gets only 7% of the opponent misses when he's on the floor. His DR% is lower than Toussaint and significantly lower than PMac, CMac and Ulis (note, it is better than Bohannon). He is almost exactly the player I thought he would be as a freshman, given his skill set and background. I wouldn't be shocked if he turned around a game at some point by coming in and hitting a couple of 3's to give Iowa some juice. He did pretty much that against Western Illinois. Iowa probably was not going to lose that game, but he got them out of a funk by hitting some shots in a hurry.
He will get better as he gets used to the speed of the college game and understanding where and how he can get his shot off, as well as the type of effort it will take on the defensive end. But for this year, if he were to play more it means others have to play less. Neither Murray should be losing PT so Sandfordt can get more. Perkins, Ulis and Toussaint probably need more minutes, not less. Only realistic way of it happening is if Bohannon or the McCaffery brothers play less. And that is unlikely to happen. If someone were to get injured among any of the perimeter players, he probably gets more minutes. But barring that, more time is there next year with Bohannon and CMac's departures.
Ok fair, I will rephrase. He isn't playing becasuse he isn't good enough to yet.
This. In reality, he's not quick enough to be a "2" in college and never will be. He is a wing forward who is still a bit slow but learning. He also is playing behind PMac, Kris, and CMac, all of whom have a lot more experience in the system and are better defenders. So he will only get spot minutes this year, which is fine as he needs more time to get used to the speed of B1G basketball.
Next year he'll be playing more minutes, especially with the likelihood of Keegan going early.
Agree with the OP. Puzzling.
He gives you a perimeter threat opposite of the twins AND gives you a little bit of size where we are usually undersized badly. Not saying he needs 20 minutes but 5-10 seems about right.
He gives you a perimeter threat opposite of the twins AND gives you a little bit of size where we are usually undersized badly. Not saying he needs 20 minutes but 5-10 seems about right.
Iowa plays too many guys, he'll get minutes next year.
this is a broken record with Frans guys. tweeners not big enough or quick enough or something enough for the position they are playing.
I didn't say that. He's plenty big to play a wing forward. He's also smart enough to adapt to any lack of footspeed for that position. He has blocked some shots that surprised me so I think his length and timing are pretty good. I am glad McC recruited him.
Fran may be a collector of misfit toys, but he usually finds his way to the first division in the Big Ten.
I'd also argue that a lot of solid college programs have many tweeners.
And at wing, 6'7" is not really a tweener in college. Some of the best small forwards/wings were that size. Being a great shooter helps. 🙂
Personally, I think he's too good of shooter to not take some minutes from Bohannon (for sure) and a bit of both McCaff brothers. We deserately need some three ball consistency. My only concern was I was not sure if Payton would be a defensiive or ball handling liability.
Fran has been told by the posters on here that he should play no more than 9.
So now he should play 10 or more?
Please advise because we have another game in 2 days!
He's basically Bohannon except he's a Freshman and Bohannon is a Super Senior or Super-Duper Senior. PS is also not a DB.
Same reason Kris was barely playing right?
Not good?
Because obviously playing time is based on ability here.
Kris was not ready to play many minutes last year, nor was there room for him for the position he played. Much like Sandfort this year. Too many assume that because Kris is playing well now, he should have seen more time last season. He worked hard and developed his game - he's simply a better player than he was.
Indiana Game
JBO = 29 minutes
PM = 20 minutes
CM = 20 minutes
Combined Minutes: 69
Combined Stats
FG - 4 for 17 (23%)
3 Pt. FG - 2-9 (22%)
Assists - 2
Rebounds - 2
Minutes Equivalent to 1.75 games
Far too much productivity from those three to find minutes for Sandfort. CM’s best game in quite sometime. He was the only one of the three to bring intangible value last night. Just don’t believe he warrants 20 minutes a game at the expense of Sandfort.
I was referring to this year BTW but now that you bring it up and claim to know....
What information or evidence are you basing this on?
We haven't seen enough of Kris this year to have a clue how good he can be let alone last year.
You guys make so many poor assumptions based on a combination of scant evidence and conformation bias.
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Are you so insecure that you have to fire back and pick a fight with everyone who even remotely has a differing opinion? Just what did I say that was so wrong? That he worked hard and got better? Just who was he going to play over last year? Weiskamp or Garza - ok. Connor? Different position and role.
Hold on there big guy. You responded to my post.
Don't try to pretend like it was the other way around. Thats silly.
I just asked you what you were basing your assertion that Kris "wasn't ready" on?
Thats all.
Yeah as I said in my earlier reply the only place to get Sandfordt more minutes is to play the 6th year guy and the coach's kids less. Very unlikely that is happening, no matter what kind of numbers they put up.
Watch him against a tight M2M defense.
The kid, while a good shooter, just isn't quick enough to find separation. JBo is also in that category. When he plays against a guard heavy team, all the statistics in the world cannot help JBo. BD34 of Wisconsin absolutely locked him down.
Sandfort can be a zone killer. But against a M2M in the B1G, he is going to be limited.
I responded, yes to you, initially with a comment that in no way was critical of yours specifically. You fired back. My return statement about YOU specifically was a direct result of your defensiveness and insecurity which was proven true in less than maybe 8 hours.
I completely disagree. Sandforts movement off the ball is the best Iowa has had since Gatens.
He gets open all the time.
He usually gets more open looks in 2 minutes than JBO does all game.
He moves very well off the ball to receive passes in shooting position and he's always ready to catch and shoot.
He also cuts the lane well.
