I am not going to defend all PSU posters, there are definitely a few who act "childish" as you say from time to time. However You must be ignorant of Pennsylvania Wrestling if you actually think most of these PSU fans don't have similar stories to yours. Wrestling is HUGE in PA we did not just discover it contrary to popular belief.
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I am not going to defend all PSU posters, there are definitely a few who act "childish" as you say from time to time. However You must be ignorant of Pennsylvania Wrestling if you actually think most of these PSU fans don't have similar stories to yours. Wrestling is HUGE in PA we did not just discover it contrary to popular belief.
I can only hope that our fans aspire to a level of class that exceeds the class of your posts. I don't imagine that would be too difficult to achieve.
Why do you keep hopping all over the place? Leave the strawmen back in Pennsylvania. I'm just addressing the masses I've witnesses at a couple big PSU meets.
What's certain is that it is not difficult to exceed the level of whit in your posts.
Don't come over here and bore me.
I reckon if you took all of the wrestling knowledge of this freshman class of PSU fans, you could roll it up into a great big loose ball then insert it into the colon of a flea, it would rattle around like a BB in a boxcar.
Isn't there post in this thread noting all the geriatric PSU fans? Many were there 30-40 years ago too. And I doubt they're going to mature much more.
MML...I dig your posts and I think you know this. But here's my theory...Cael and the team started having success right around the time of PSU's football troubles, correct? I think a lot of football fans latched onto wrestling because it brought a sense of pride in an otherwise very dark time. Here is an example conversation and I am not going to name names but this is verbatim from your board with the type of logic we see:
PSU Guy #1: "I love Brands and hope he stays forever mainly because there is no way he can keep up with Cael. Cael owns TnT! Hard to hate a guy that seems to not really be coaching his guys up at Iowa." (Emphasis Mine)
Neither Iowa or PSU fan who hates us both in response to PSU Guy #1 post:
"Cael's record is 2-7 versus Brands.
IA St 0-3
2006........6-24
2007........13-20
2008........15-20
PSU 2-4
2010........6-41
2011........13-22
2012.........22-12
2013.........16-22, 24-12
2015.........12-18"
PSU fan #2 in response: "Brands is a great regular season coach, Cael wins the Super Bowls (Cael 4 Brands 3; Chief add) though. I know the Brands have won titles though, but Cael is set to blow TnT out of the water in that department."
So to recap, Cael has a 2-7 record in duals vs Brands and has a one championship edge over Brands...but totally owns him.
This isn't an isolated conversation...happens all the time over there. Now do you see why we think you all just discovered wrestling when PSU started winning?
Well the PA guys seem to make up the largest percentage of AA's just about every year. Someone out there must know something about the sport? I know it's late neighbors darn dog is having a moment.
Big difference: The Gable Era marked the 1st NCAA title for Iowa and Hawkeye fans. The sport blew up after that 1st title in 1975 and has never looked back-- 23 titles in 41 years. At pen state, their fans seem to forget about their 1st NCAA team title, which was won in 1953. Added to the recent Sanderson success, they now have a respectable 5 titles in 63 years.
There were also--obviously-- many lean years between titles, but the program has had the same high school talent to draw from during these decades. Similarly, their has always been support from that same pool of rabid high school wrestling fans. So, even though there was always a small amount of hard core fans @pen state, the vast majority of pen state fans abandoned their rich history for decades. Now, we fast forward to 2016 and we get the band-wagon effect. But these new pen state fans are so unsure of their own success that they come to our site to find purpose/acceptance. (See above, below, behind)
Contrast Iowa's "down" years with pen states and we see a much different response. Even during the "down" years, at the end of Zalesky regime, the support, concern, and general interest for Hawkeye wrestling was greater than anything I saw coming out of pen state the last 50 years. Which brings us to the question many pen staters have to be asking: What happens when Sanderson moves on and/or the football team or basketball teams are possibly relevant again?
Just watched this meet last night. Real quick thoughts:
The stalling boos were ridiculous. can't remember the match but the kid on bottom was trying to not get his opponents legs in after the whistle and they were booing within 3 seconds. Many other times as well.
Bo Nickal needs a haircut. He's interesting to watch though, wrestles so loose.
Gullibon took some terrible shots, cost him.
Snyder is the man. Damn he moves good for his size.
Cael is the most laid back coach in wrestling. just sits in his chair and watches.
Zain, what can I say. Wow, he's a mack truck going 90 down the freeway. Fun to watch.
This is the first time I've seen them wrestle this year, once again they have an amazing group of underclassmen. Unfortunately they are not going anywhere anytime soon, no surprise.
The stalling boos were ridiculous. can't remember the match but the kid on bottom was trying to not get his opponents legs in after the whistle and they were booing within 3 seconds. Many other times as well.
Bo Nickal needs a haircut. He's interesting to watch though, wrestles so loose.
Gullibon took some terrible shots, cost him.
Snyder is the man. Damn he moves good for his size.
Cael is the most laid back coach in wrestling. just sits in his chair and watches.
Zain, what can I say. Wow, he's a mack truck going 90 down the freeway. Fun to watch.
This is the first time I've seen them wrestle this year, once again they have an amazing group of underclassmen. Unfortunately they are not going anywhere anytime soon, no surprise.
With that example I totally get what you are saying Chief and The Highlighted portion above is a real interesting point I never considered. Both sides have some immature ways of expressing themselves from time to time. There are some PSU posters who seem to have to belittle Iowa because PSU is on a roll and Iowa Posters who must belittle PSU because they feel threatened by what Cael is building. Personally I love a little ribbing from time to time it makes things fun, but RESPECT should always be there for both Brands and Cael in my opinion. They are both doing a great Job of helping build this sport (Along with Flo in my opinion but I don't want to rile up the natives here..lol)
to 86_90 I have to disagree with your premise. first- Yes PSU won a title in 1953 during a time when Most of these PSU posters (including Myself) are too young to have enjoyed it. Second- getting seriously into Iowa in the late 70's is exactly the same as getting seriously into PSU today because winning Titles in bunches will make any fanbase excited. Third- Your "Lean" years comparison is a joke....You are trying to compare 7-8 years of no championships after Zalesky and winning 20 Championships from 1975-2000 to Over 50 years at PSU between 1 championship and today. No comparison of how "Loyal" that kind of winning can make a fan base that grew up enjoying most of it!!!!! Fourth- typing Pen State is very immature ohh oh oh I forgot Fifth- No internet and Forums back then like today, Your observations of how Iowa fans acted are hard to truly compare.
For me.. I started getting into PSU wrestling in Highschool/College at that time Kolat, and Hughes twins out of Benton were going there. I Attended Bloomsburg University and as a Freshman was lucky enough to see those 3 in action...I have always loved wrestling and PSU but have to admit the Future makes me excited. I think what Cael is doing is building a fan base in PSU that will be similar to what you have now...Fans that grew up enjoying this run and are as Loyal as you guys are even 20 years from now!!
Oh yea MML...something that always bothered me about Amalone's signature...he doesn't have the 53 team. Yea, most us weren't alive but as a sports fans of any team, always include the titles even if boy wonder wasn't the coach.
Yes...you guys have reasons to be optimistic.
Yes...you guys have reasons to be optimistic.
I may be making one assumption too many, but believe that my posts over here are deferential to Iowa's legacy. Now, to assume that Penn State fans specifically, and Pennsylvanians in particular, are not educated wrestling fans goes against all the evidence. I agree that we in general abdicated our high school success to other programs in the past, but to say Pennsylvanians don't know their wrestling violates all the evidence of past success with respect to the All Americans our state has produced. It sounds as if we just started to follow wrestling in the past 7 years. Do we have a LONG way to go to be on your level at Iowa, absolutely. Do we take a backseat to anyone in the country on wrestling knowledge, no. Could many of our fans be more respectful of Iowa success, without a doubt. Bear in mind, as I've said in the past, when you are looking up at another program for so long, it breeds some contempt. I for one do not wish to be judged with the masses.
Reasonable post.........BUT....... how do you explain to US the inappropriate booing we all saw in in the PSU-tOSU meet the other day. That was NOT............ a FEW............. isolated people acting that way. That was quite a few people. I assume that you don't see that kind of behavior at High School events. So what happens when they show up at PSU and act like they did? Mind altering drug? Group insanity?
Seriously. I really can't fathom being there and participating in that. Any serious explanation would be appreciated by many here I am sure.
It was at Bryce. I'll blame it on a lot fans being too far away from the action and not really getting a good view of the action. On a related note, I had a chance to watch the Nolf-Ryan match again and I still didn't see any impact to his head. It did look like he was just gassed so I can understand some booing in that instance.
Not Penn State related, but is related to the state of Penn. This clown of a HS coach should have been fired on the damn bus ride home. What an absolute disgrace for the sport to have this nonsense going on. Thanks Pennsylvania.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/39489-pa-coaches-make-mockery-of-dual-meet
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/39489-pa-coaches-make-mockery-of-dual-meet
I watched this, holy sh*t that was some crazy stuff. Ever watch Takedown and Falls? That's the coach from Central Dauphin.
They were sitting too far away from the action you say.............seriously?
To give an example, Nickal had an apparent takedown at the end of the second but half the arena didn't see that Martin still had a hold of Nickal's leg. There was a lot of booing on that one.
Kwood, Have you seen the replay? if you did I would be surprised if you actually thought it was not an avoid the tech by taking a breather break. I must admit I unfortunately used what looked worse than was a few times to catch a breath in my humble career...I am embarrassed to admit that but I think Ryan may have to admit it to himself at some point also.
Personally I think Iowa fans would Boo as much in same situation. Not to mention the Concussion protocol is a new beast. I think people just thought he was taking a break....I did not really think that until I saw the replay. Nolf not getting choice after the fact was also probably confusing to many.
Gotcha......that makes sense. So a little quick on the trigger finger there to boo. Still............ that seems like they are inexperienced. If you can't see good, then you learn to wait a bit before you react inappropriately.
No, I haven't seen the replay...only real time video. Yes, many Iowa fans might boo there also. However in this day and age of concussions and the side effects that have been found in Football players brains years later, things are different. And they need to be. We don't need people getting their brains damaged in any way shape or form. As fans we all need to learn to adapt to these things and take them seriously. Hence the need to give the benefit of the doubt when a concussion stopage is taken.
But that is only ONE example of the booing, even if it may be a possibly appropriate one. Way too many other times it happened throughout the match. I don't remember exactly of course and don't plan on going back to count. But off the top of my head it SEEMED like there must have been 15-20 times that seemed inappropriate or at least way too quick. If it had only been 5-6 times or so, wouldn't think that much about it. Just SEEMED way over the top.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/39489-pa-coaches-make-mockery-of-dual-meet[/QUOTE] No one can defend this crap! Too many people are involved, from the refs, the coaches, the fans, and the wrestlers (can you blame the kids, with such leadership?). I'm embarrassed to admit I'm from PA today. Some big changes need to be made.
No one can defend this crap! Too many people are involved, from the refs, the coaches, the fans, and the wrestlers (can you blame the kids, with such leadership?). I'm embarrassed to admit I'm from PA today. Some big changes need to be made.[/QUOTE]
Meh...it was two teams making stupid decisions in the heat of battle and in no way reflects on PA imo. Still, the coaches owe their wrestlers an apology, especially the one's that they had forfeit...its the antithesis of what is taught in our sport.
Meh...it was two teams making stupid decisions in the heat of battle and in no way reflects on PA imo. Still, the coaches owe their wrestlers an apology, especially the one's that they had forfeit...its the antithesis of what is taught in our sport.[/QUOTE]
I feel that if i'm going to take pride in PA athletes and teams when they accomplish great heights, I must also take shame when they stoop to such depths. My initial reaction may be a bit drastic, I just feel that there is no place for this in HS sports.
Kwoodhawk, how about you start a thread on when you feel its appropriate for a fan that paid money to see a match, gets to holler something out? I'll print, copy, and post it in all the bathrooms at Rec Hall and the BJC so that it's done properly to meet your advanced standards.
maybe I had my blue and white tinted glasses(earbuds) on because I don't recall that much booing.....I will rewatch the whole thing eventually and be sure to keep my ears open for it.
I certainly could be wrong............Mrs. Kwood is only to happy to point that out to me.........
But I was caught off guard by how much of it I was aware of. Don't normally notice it.
Your condescending attitude could be just a small part of the reason other fans may have a problem with the Hawkeyes. Kinda like Yankee fans. Just food for thought.
Same could be said about PSU. If I was going off these boards I would think most are smug a holes.
