People who didn’t vote for Trump: Who did you vote for?

[swagsurfer02]

If the two square off in 2024 do you think Trump could win (obviously without actually trying to steal the election)?

That said, I'm doing just as good under Biden as I did under W, Obama, Dickhead, etc. Is my 401k and other investments down? Yes. Did they ever dip under the above mentioned? Yes. You know you're doing just as well too.

If I had to choose between Trump or Biden again, the choice is still very easy for me. Biden gets that vote 100 out of 100 times. I'll choose empathy over narcissism every time.

If those two are the ultimate choices we get in 2024, yes I think Trump wins this time. The electoral college and possibly even the popular vote.

Regardless how I feel about the guy personally, the country seems more unstable now for a multitude of reasons. Had Trump won in 2020, we could have all the same things going on in the world but we’ll never know.

As to the 401k and financials, this year has been a loss. Under Trump they continued to grow until March of 2020 but it bounced back nicely pretty rapidly.

Im good with whomever you want to vote for, however for someone with 40 years experience in politics this has been a clown show.

 

[Rifler]

It may be broken but if you don’t like the direction the country is headed, vote for the Dems or don’t complain.

Dems have the House, Senate and Presidency,.. If I don't like the direction the country is headed, why would I vote Dem?

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

God you’re lost. I don’t watch them, so if anything, they’re quoting me. Oh, and I’m not your alter ego NC. Sorry to disappoint, I know you had feelings for him.

 

[Hawkeyenuts66]

Who was the last dem you voted for?

Obama's first term.

 

[Hawkeyenuts66]

That's not how it works.

Works about as well as the "popular vote" claim, it's meaningless.

 

[globalhawk]

Works about as well as the "popular vote" claim, it's meaningless.

We can agree on that.

 

[Hawkeyenuts66]

You are seeing this more and more, I never voted for Trump..This doesn’t matter at all if you didn’t vote or threw your vote away to a third party candidate.

You may not like it but that’s the system we live in. It may be broken but if you don’t like the direction the country is headed, vote for the Dems or don’t complain.

Who the fvck to do you think is driving this shit show?

 

[globalhawk]

Who the fvck to do you think is driving this shit show?

Tribalism

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Dems have the House, Senate and Presidency,.. If I don't like the direction the country is headed, why would I vote Dem?

Hopefully because you are smart enough to think better than that.

You may feel differently about the issues - although we have been known to agree occasionally - but I like most of the things the Dems say they want to do. They always disappoint, but that's not even slightly a good reason to vote for the guys who don't want to do those things.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

People claiming a 3rd party vote is a wasted vote tend to also bitch that we have a 2 party system (that arent all that different from each other). If everyone who called them wasted votes actually voted 3rd party, theyd be legitimate parties.

The people who vote third party do so once every four years and then disappear back into the woodwork. It takes a LOT more than that to create a legitimate party.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Are you referring to the ACA? If so, why would Dems have needed a veto-proof majority?

Sorry...meant a filibuster-proof majority

 

[TJ8869]

Sorry...meant a filibuster-proof majority

I figured that’s what you meant but I didn’t want to assume anything. The thing is, they didn’t need that either. They didn’t even have one. Dems only had a filibuster-proof majority for a short period of time and passed the initial version of the ACA using a veto-proof majority. But before the House finished cussing and discussing the bill, Scott Brown defeated Martha Coakley in the special election to replace Ted Kennedy and the Dems permanently lost their supermajority.

Dems circumvented the filibuster by passing the final version of the ACA under budget reconciliation procedures that can’t be filibustered and require only a simple majority for passage.

 

[hwk23]

How many 3rd parties have won while we're talking about logic? 2016 was there best shot and they finished with 3.3% of the vote. Their highest ever! GTFO

Ross Perot won 18.9% of the vote in 1992. He ran primarily on a balanced budget. Somewhat surprisingly, a balance budget was acheived in the 90's thru reduced federal spending. Maybe Perot's success was a message to Washington.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

I figured that’s what you meant but I didn’t want to assume anything. The thing is, they didn’t need that either. They didn’t even have one. Dems only had a filibuster-proof majority for a short period of time and passed the initial version of the ACA using a veto-proof majority. But before the House finished cussing and discussing the bill, Scott Brown defeated Martha Coakley in the special election to replace Ted Kennedy and the Dems permanently lost their supermajority.

Dems circumvented the filibuster by passing the final version of the ACA under budget reconciliation procedures that can’t be filibustered and require only a simple majority for passage.

That's incorrect. The Senate version of the ACA, which was filibustered, passed the Senate 60-39 on Christmas Eve 2009. When Brown won in MA a month later, the Dems lost their margin and pushed the Senate version through the House rather than reconcile the Senate and House bills. Reconciliation wasn't used to pass the ACA. A second bill, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, which tweaked some aspects of the ACA, was passed later using reconciliation.

 

[TJ8869]

That's incorrect. The Senate version of the ACA, which was filibustered, passed the Senate 60-39 on Christmas Eve 2009. When Brown won in MA a month later, the Dems lost their margin and pushed the Senate version through the House rather than reconcile the Senate and House bills. Reconciliation wasn't used to pass the ACA. A second bill, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, which tweaked some aspects of the ACA, was passed later using reconciliation.

You’re vastly understating the significance of the second bill. It wasn’t just a followup bill that tweaked some aspects of the ACA. It was absolutely crucial to the passage of the Senate version of ACA in the House.

House Democrats had expected to amend the Senate bill and send it back to the Senate for another vote. But they lost that option when Brown defeated Coakley and the supermajority went kaput.

Not enough House Democrats supported the Senate bill to pass it as it was and they couldn’t amend it without having to send it back for another vote that would have been filibustered and ultimately would have failed. The only way they would agree to vote for the Senate version was if they could amend it in a roundabout way by means of a budget reconciliation bill, which was not subject to filibuster in the Senate and required only a simple majority for passage.

Without the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, the ACA would have died on the House floor.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You’re vastly understating the significance of the second bill. It wasn’t just a followup bill that tweaked some aspects of the ACA. It was absolutely crucial to the passage of the Senate version of ACA in the House.

House Democrats had expected to amend the Senate bill and send it back to the Senate for another vote. But they lost that option when Brown defeated Coakley and the supermajority went kaput.

Not enough House Democrats supported the Senate bill to pass it as it was and they couldn’t amend it without having to send it back for another vote that would have been filibustered and ultimately would have failed. The only way they would agree to vote for the Senate version was if they could amend it in a roundabout way by means of a budget reconciliation bill, which was not subject to filibuster in the Senate and required only a simple majority for passage.

Without the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, the ACA would have died on the House floor.

None of that changes the fact that the Affordable Care Act passed with a filibuster-proof majority. This:

Dems circumvented the filibuster by passing the final version of the ACA under budget reconciliation procedures that can’t be filibustered and require only a simple majority for passage.

...is incorrect.

 

[BubsFinn]

LOL...and you know that because? Did you vote for Mother Teresa? Might want to look into her, you know.

No, i didn’t vote for a dead woman.
Why did that moronic thought enter your head? And I’m 100% certain the person I voted for was less evil than Trump or Hillary.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

No, i didn’t vote for a dead woman.
Why did that moronic thought enter your head? And I’m 100% certain the person I voted for was less evil than Trump or Hillary.

Lol…no you’re not. That’s what you tell yourself to justify your actions and signal your supposed virtue which is about all a third-party vote is good for.

 

[FSUTribe76]

I would vote for a dirty wet mop before I’d ever vote for a piece of human sh!t like Donald J. Trump. Anyone who voted for him the first time is a sucker, the second time an cultist un-American.

💯

 

[FAUlty Gator]

And dipshits like you who think your 3rd party has a snowballs chance in hell

You do realize that if a 3rd party candidate receives 5% of the vote, they receive public financing just like the big two, right? I always assumed 3rd party voters weren’t trying to win, but rather get to that 5% mark so they can get funding for the next run. How else can you expect it to ever change if not that way?

 

[fredjr82]

You do realize that if a 3rd party candidate receives 5% of the vote, they receive public financing just like the big two, right? I always assumed 3rd party voters weren’t trying to win, but rather get to that 5% mark so they can get funding for the next run. How else can you expect it to ever change if not that way?

They couldn't even get to 5% 🤣

 

[TJ8869]

None of that changes the fact that the Affordable Care Act passed with a filibuster-proof majority. This:

Dems circumvented the filibuster by passing the final version of the ACA under budget reconciliation procedures that can’t be filibustered and require only a simple majority for passage.

...is incorrect.

The line you quoted is absolutely correct. You're correct that the ACA bill passed by the Senate in December 2009 couldn't have passed without a supermajority. But that bill was dead in the water without reconciliation.

You're completely wrong about the role of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act that was passed in March 2010. It wasn't just a followup bill that tweaked the original bill. It was part and parcel of the overall legislative package. The ACA would not have passed the House without it.

And frankly, even if Coakley had defeated Brown and the Dems maintained their supermajority, it might not have been enough to pass the ACA without using reconciliation. The House didn't have enough support for the Senate bill without making amendments, and there were three Senate Democrats who voted against the House's reconciliation bill. If the House had instead chosen to amend the ACA billed that the Senate passed in December 2009, if even one of those three Senate Dems had chosen not to invoke cloture when the amended House bill came back to the Senate for a second vote, the supermajority would have meant nothing and they still would have needed to go the reconciliation route.

 

[GroupThink]

@sob5 you have anything to say, or do you just press laughing emoji all day like a putz? If you have a problem with my posts, don’t be shy about it.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

They couldn't even get to 5% 🤣

Not the point.

 

[fredjr82]

Not the point.

I guess it is until they get there.

 

[sob5]

@sob5 you have anything to say, or do you just press laughing emoji all day like a putz? If you have a problem with my posts, don’t be shy about it.

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Most of your takes are laughable and don't warrant a response.

Proud to say I've never voted for the conman and will never vote for anyone that supported his fraud, lies, and grifting. That is all.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The line you quoted is absolutely correct. You're correct that the ACA bill passed by the Senate in December 2009 couldn't have passed without a supermajority. But that bill was dead in the water without reconciliation.

You're completely wrong about the role of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act that was passed in March 2010. It wasn't just a followup bill that tweaked the original bill. It was part and parcel of the overall legislative package. The ACA would not have passed the House without it.

And frankly, even if Coakley had defeated Brown and the Dems maintained their supermajority, it might not have been enough to pass the ACA without using reconciliation. The House didn't have enough support for the Senate bill without making amendments, and there were three Senate Democrats who voted against the House's reconciliation bill. If the House had instead chosen to amend the ACA billed that the Senate passed in December 2009, if even one of those three Senate Dems had chosen not to invoke cloture when the amended House bill came back to the Senate for a second vote, the supermajority would have meant nothing and they still would have needed to go the reconciliation route.

Just goes to show that while we all should be clear just how anti-American most Republicans are, there are some pretty awful Dems, too. And that was true long before Manchin became emblematic of that sad truth.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The Dems here who are doing the right's work for them by attacking progressives might want to answer this question:

Suppose the Dems nominate Manchin and Sinema for 2024.

Let's assume the GOP puts up yet another completely unacceptable slate. Say DeSantis and MTG.

But now let's assume some truly good progressives have had enough and run as Independents, or maybe as Greens.

How bad does the Dem slate have to be before you will vote for people who actually represent the best interests of the nation and the world?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

For many, many years, conservative media, the Fox News's of the world talk radio and the like, have conditioned Republican voters to demand the specific things from their politicians, and to hold those politicians accountable. And thus, there are these rulings coming down that is the product of that.

By contrast, the Democratic media machine, from MSNBC to NPR to the New York Times to the Atlantic, that whole kind of left of center, elite legacy media, plus the Democratic party's political apparatus, that blob has conditioned Democratic voters to demand nothing from their politicians, and never hold their politicians accountable.

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[GroupThink]

Didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Most of your takes are laughable and don't warrant a response.

Proud to say I've never voted for the conman and will never vote for anyone that supported his fraud, lies, and grifting. That is all.

You didn’t hurt anyones feelings. You lack any real power. You have no takes, contribute little to anything on this board. Maybe take your dipshit laughing emoji, and shove it right up your liberal ass.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

You didn’t hurt anyones feelings. You lack any real power. You have no takes, contribute little to anything on this board. Maybe take your dipshit laughing emoji, and shove it right up your liberal ass.

Ironic post is ironic.

 

[GroupThink]

Ironic post is ironic.

Lack of originality is unoriginal

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

Lack of originality is unoriginal

Ironic post is even more ironic.

 

[sob5]

You didn’t hurt anyones feelings. You lack any real power. You have no takes, contribute little to anything on this board. Maybe take your dipshit laughing emoji, and shove it right up your liberal ass.

Haha! Calm down... it'll be OK! Yes, I lack any real power on this message board - you're right! You got me there. Until they add the "GroupThink is a dumb shit" emoji, I'll stick with laughing at your comments.

And the funny thing is - I identified/registered as a Republican my entire adult life (unlike "the greatest Republican of all-time" Trump). Leading up to the 2016 election, I read/watched all about Trump's history as a failed/bankrupt business man, the way he bullies people with lawsuits, and has basically bullshitted/conned his way through life ... only successful because he inherited money and was able to abuse it.

Not surprised he was a twice-impeached, one-term "President." Just relieved his illegal scheme to retain power failed. Now hope he's held accountable and we can get away from tribal politics.

 

[GroupThink]

Haha! Calm down... it'll be OK! Yes, I lack any real power on this message board - you're right! You got me there. Until they add the "GroupThink is a dumb shit" emoji, I'll stick with laughing at your comments.

And the funny thing is - I identified/registered as a Republican my entire adult life (unlike "the greatest Republican of all-time" Trump). Leading up to the 2016 election, I read/watched all about Trump's history as a failed/bankrupt business man, the way he bullies people with lawsuits, and has basically bullshitted/conned his way through life ... only successful because he inherited money and was able to abuse it.

Not surprised he was a twice-impeached, one-term "President." Just relieved his illegal scheme to retain power failed. Now hope he's held accountable and we can get away from tribal politics.

Smells like a lib, acts like a socialist, good riddance fake republican.

 

[sob5]

Smells like a lib, acts like a socialist, good riddance fake republican.

More irony! Trump is a fake Republican. Worshipped by morons like you. Loser!

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

More irony! Trump is a fake Republican. Worshipped by morons like you. Loser!

The motherf**ker will claim to not be a trumpbagger, but he would put his face in trump's gold toilet to smell his ass.

 

[GroupThink]

The motherf**ker will claim to not be a trumpbagger, but he would put his face in trump's gold toilet to smell his ass.

I’m no trumper. I hate liberals more than I could ever dream of supporting republicans. Truly disgusting, manipulative pieces of garbage that blatantly lie to the working class and working poor about caring for them.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I’m no trumper. I hate liberals more than I could ever dream of supporting republicans. Truly disgusting, manipulative pieces of garbage that blatantly lie to the working class and working poor about caring for them.

Yeah, right. Nothing is as disgusting as you trumpbaggers and your leader.

 

[GroupThink]

Yeah, right. Nothing is as disgusting as you trumpbaggers and your leader.

You are incredibly dull and simple-minded. Hating Joe Biden and the woke parade is not the same as supporting trump and the white trash parade. I hate both, but definitely the Biden show more so. Mark a.b.