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Lulz. Maybe you could ask god to actually make you a marine instead of a valor thief bitch boy! Chances of that happening are as good as you actually showing up to one of your internet "fights." Speaking of, you have to ignore more people like @Ghee Buttersnaps this week to keep your HROT safe space? Daddy is disappointed in you. What a bitch. Owned.

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Pope Francis...the favorite pope of heretics, atheists and nonbelievers LOL. Looking at how much he is beloved by people that hate and disdain Catholics should tell you everything you need to know.

Not counting the OP, I know Brian is the real deal Catholic, but he will not be greatly missed by most Catholics. I hope he rests in peace in heaven, but he's done little to increase the faith, and done all he could to stand in the way of a Catholic resurgence in the USA.

I expect a turn back to right a bit. You've gone from, for lack of a better way to put it, from center right, to far right, to far left...I'd expect a move to center right, but maybe center left.
 
Francis is 88. If this doesn't take hime something else soon will.

I think the bigger question is if they will go for another caretaker pope in their 70's or if they will aim for a younger guy in his 50's or so as a long term pope.

A pope in his 50s is rare. That is not the norm, and the whole thing is kind of not designed to be a 30 year term. JPII was an anomaly that way. I would be extremely shocked if we say a pope in his 50s in our lifetime. I would expect late 60s to early 70s to continue to be the norm. Nobody really wants a pope to serve as long as JPII.
 
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You always put on a brave front when you’re online but in reality you’re always crying in a dark room because of your stupidity and failures in life.
WHEN THESE RADICAL LEFTIST LOSAHS AREN'T CRYING IN DA DARK ROOM, THEY ARE HANGING OUT IN DA INTERSTATE BATHHOUSES EATING LOADS OF SEMEN AND SOY!!!!!!!!!! OR THEY ARE WATCHING DA MSNBC AND WORSHIPING DA BERNIE, DA SQUAD, DA CHE GUEVARA, DA BERRIES HUSSEIN, AND DA SLOW JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK GOD WE GOT DA FOOKIN HAWKEYE HITMAN HERE TO SMACK THESE LIBTAHDS AROUND AND CALL THEM OUT FOR THE SOCIALIST BETA CUCKS THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA HITMAN IS SITTING AT HOME IN SOUTHERN CLAYTON COUNTY, CRUSHING SOME ICE COLD CANS OF SPRITE, AND BEING DA ALPHA DAWG MAGA PATRIOT WE KNOW HE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL HE NEEDS IS DA CASSVILLE BRIDGE AND THEN AMERICA WILL FINALLY BE GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Just like you if Bernie Sanders told you to get on your knees. You would be on your knees before Bernie could get his pants unbuckled.
NOTHING IS BETTER THAN SEEING DA HAWKEYE FOOKIN HITMAN SMACK AROUND DA RADICAL LEFIST LIBTAHDS ON DA HBOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE ALWAYS CALLS OUT DA BERNIE AND DA SQUAD AND DA BERRIES HUSSEIN AND DA SLOW JOE AND DA CHE GUEVARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THESE BERNIE BROS ALSO HANG OUT IN DA INTERSTATE BATHHOUSES AND EAT SEMEN AND SOY AND SPREAD DA AIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DA HAWKEYE FOOKIN HITMAN IS NEVER ON HIS KNEES — ONLY BITCHES ARE ON DA KNEES!!!!!! HE'S AT HOME IN SOUTHERN CLAYTON COUNTY WITH A COOLER FULL OF ICE COLD CANS OF SPRITE AND HE'S WAITING FOR TRUMP AND DA GOP TO GET DA CASSVILLE BRIDGE BUILT BY ALL OF DA ILLEGALS AND DA SOCIALISTS LOSAHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Pope Francis...the favorite pope of heretics, atheists and nonbelievers LOL. Looking at how much he is beloved by people that hate and disdain Catholics should tell you everything you need to know.

Not counting the OP, I know Brian is the real deal Catholic, but he will not be greatly missed by most Catholics. I hope he rests in peace in heaven, but he's done little to increase the faith, and done all he could to stand in the way of a Catholic resurgence in the USA.

I expect a turn back to right a bit. You've gone from, for lack of a better way to put it, from center right, to far right, to far left...I'd expect a move to center right, but maybe center left.

I don't think heretics, atheists or nonbelievers give two craps about Francis or any pope for that matter beyond their deliberate and concerted effort to hide the decades of sexual abuse that was ignored and obfuscated by the Church of Rome.

Most people probably don't want to park their butt in the pews of a church that more closely resembles an organized criminal organization so any hope for resurgence is likely a pipedream.
 
I don't think heretics, atheists or nonbelievers give two craps about Francis or any pope for that matter

LOL, on this thread, plenty of non-Catholics and non-Christians are expressing their admiration for Francis. Of course, they always love a progressive pope who undermines traditional Catholic Dogma. There has been unlimited praise showered on Francis from secular sources. This claim is silly.
 
I don't think heretics, atheists or nonbelievers give two craps about Francis or any pope for that matter beyond their deliberate and concerted effort to hide the decades of sexual abuse that was ignored and obfuscated by the Church of Rome.

Most people probably don't want to park their butt in the pews of a church that more closely resembles an organized criminal organization so any hope for resurgence is likely a pipedream.

The coverups ended in 2002 with the Dallas Charter reforms...way before Pope Francis became Pope.

 
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Pope Francis...the favorite pope of heretics, atheists and nonbelievers LOL. Looking at how much he is beloved by people that hate and disdain Catholics should tell you everything you need to know.

Not counting the OP, I know Brian is the real deal Catholic, but he will not be greatly missed by most Catholics. I hope he rests in peace in heaven, but he's done little to increase the faith, and done all he could to stand in the way of a Catholic resurgence in the USA.

I'll miss him. He's almost certainly a saint.

Pope Francis is left leaning but the media always took his comments out of context because they were desperate for him to adopt worldly values.

America is an atheist country now. 80% of Americans are un-churched.

I hope he brought some atheists into the Church.
 
I'll miss him. He's almost certainly a saint.

Pope Francis is left leaning but the media always took his comments out of context because they were desperate for him to adopt worldly values.

America is an atheist country now. 80% of Americans are un-churched.

I hope he brought some atheists into the Church.

See, here's my thing Brian...and I 100% believe you are sincere, and I also believe it is ok for Catholics to disagree on this.

But as to your last point...where is the evidence that the progressive, left leaning, anti-traditional, secular-courting approach of Francis and his type has EVER expanded or reinvigorated the faith?

We keep being sold the idea that a lax, non-dogmatic, non-traditional, liberal pope is going to reinvigorate the youth, bring people back to the church, reignite the faith in Europe, etc. We are constantly told that becoming more liberal and eschewing traditional dogma will refresh and invigorate the Church.

But when has that been true? The reforms of Vatican II decimated the Catholic faith by any conceivable measure (and I'm not demanding that they be reversed). Where has Francis' reign done anything to grow or refresh the Church? Did we see a bunch of hollywood liberals embracing Catholic teaching? Did we see a resurgence of faith and mass attendance in Europe? There's literally nothing to show for it.

The funny think is, there actually IS a Catholic resurgence, a flowering of the Catholic faith among young people, like we haven't seen in generations. Primarily, but not exclusively in the US. It's unmistakable, and widely commented on, and we're seeing young people and young families coming to the Church in numbers we haven't seen in ages. And it's coming from exactly the opposite side of Francis, and in spite of Francis' best efforts to crush it in it's infancy. And that's the massive rise in traditional-minded Catholics. Both those drawn to true traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, but also those who adopt more traditional stances in the standard novus ordo parishes.

Surely in your parish you've seen an increase in the number of women with veils, and people receiving communion in the mouth or kneeling? If not just more young people overall? This is the first actual Catholic growth in the Western world since the 1960s. And Francis did his best to snuff it out.

I don't think the next pope needs to be a hardcore conservative or traditionalist. But he needs to have a place for traditionalist Catholics in the church, as it's the most vibrant element of the Church today. Francis was hostile to traditional if not orthodox thought, and another pope in that vein will potentially be disastrous, and runs the risk of strengthening heretical schismatic groups. The next pope's primary objective should be normalizing a range of expressions of faith, from traditional to modern, as equally valid and all part of one body.
 
See, here's my thing Brian...and I 100% believe you are sincere, and I also believe it is ok for Catholics to disagree on this.

But as to your last point...where is the evidence that the progressive, left leaning, anti-traditional, secular-courting approach of Francis and his type has EVER expanded or reinvigorated the faith?

We keep being sold the idea that a lax, non-dogmatic, non-traditional, liberal pope is going to reinvigorate the youth, bring people back to the church, reignite the faith in Europe, etc. We are constantly told that becoming more liberal and eschewing traditional dogma will refresh and invigorate the Church.

But when has that been true? The reforms of Vatican II decimated the Catholic faith by any conceivable measure (and I'm not demanding that they be reversed). Where has Francis' reign done anything to grow or refresh the Church? Did we see a bunch of hollywood liberals embracing Catholic teaching? Did we see a resurgence of faith and mass attendance in Europe? There's literally nothing to show for it.

The funny think is, there actually IS a Catholic resurgence, a flowering of the Catholic faith among young people, like we haven't seen in generations. Primarily, but not exclusively in the US. It's unmistakable, and widely commented on, and we're seeing young people and young families coming to the Church in numbers we haven't seen in ages. And it's coming from exactly the opposite side of Francis, and in spite of Francis' best efforts to crush it in it's infancy. And that's the massive rise in traditional-minded Catholics. Both those drawn to true traditional pre-Vatican II Catholicism, but also those who adopt more traditional stances in the standard novus ordo parishes.

Surely in your parish you've seen an increase in the number of women with veils, and people receiving communion in the mouth or kneeling? If not just more young people overall? This is the first actual Catholic growth in the Western world since the 1960s. And Francis did his best to snuff it out.

I don't think the next pope needs to be a hardcore conservative or traditionalist. But he needs to have a place for traditionalist Catholics in the church, as it's the most vibrant element of the Church today. Francis was hostile to traditional if not orthodox thought, and another pope in that vein will potentially be disastrous, and runs the risk of strengthening heretical schismatic groups. The next pope's primary objective should be normalizing a range of expressions of faith, from traditional to modern, as equally valid and all part of one body.


Good points.

Christianity as a whole is dying in America and Europe, though. It's growing in Africa and Asia.

The liberal mainline protestant denominations that have pride flags hanging outside their doors are going extinct.

I also notice there are never sermons on Hell these days.

Jesus spoke of it 30 times in the Gospels.
 
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Good points.

Christianity as a whole is dying in America and Europe, though. It's growing in Africa and Asia.

The liberal mainline protestant denominations that have pride flags hanging outside their doors are going extinct.

I also notice there are never sermons on Hell these days.

Jesus spoke of it 30 times in the Gospels.

True indeed. That said, Catholicism dying in the United States varies quite a bit depending on where you are. It's still pretty robust in the areas of the US that are growing.

Also, the vast majority of vocations are coming from orthodox if not conservative Catholics. The liberal, progressive types of Catholics and diocese that reflect that thinking, aren't producing any priests. https://www.ncregister.com/cna/major-survey-finds-conservative-and-orthodox-priests-on-the-rise

The next holy father has to harness the fire of traditionalism and orthodoxy, and weave it in to our novus ordo parishes. Since Vatican II, the popes have largely tried to ghetto-ize traditionalism, and yet it grows and grows. It's time to let it flower, and side by side with the modern church. It is absurd that most churches in the US can have a dedicated spanish mass, which doesn't seem to be any concern of unity, but they are barred from having a Latin Mass.

I get that traditionalism has on occasion lent itself to conspiratorial thinking and disobedience, but that's largely a factor of driving them into the dark corners. Most young trad Catholics don't care about that...they want to wear veils, love God, feel like they belong to something important, and have lots of kids. Embrace that, don't drive them into the arms of the SSPX.
 
True indeed. That said, Catholicism dying in the United States varies quite a bit depending on where you are. It's still pretty robust in the areas of the US that are growing.

Also, the vast majority of vocations are coming from orthodox if not conservative Catholics. The liberal, progressive types of Catholics and diocese that reflect that thinking, aren't producing any priests. https://www.ncregister.com/cna/major-survey-finds-conservative-and-orthodox-priests-on-the-rise

The next holy father has to harness the fire of traditionalism and orthodoxy, and weave it in to our novus ordo parishes. Since Vatican II, the popes have largely tried to ghetto-ize traditionalism, and yet it grows and grows. It's time to let it flower, and side by side with the modern church. It is absurd that most churches in the US can have a dedicated spanish mass, which doesn't seem to be any concern of unity, but they are barred from having a Latin Mass.

I get that traditionalism has on occasion lent itself to conspiratorial thinking and disobedience, but that's largely a factor of driving them into the dark corners. Most young trad Catholics don't care about that...they want to wear veils, love God, feel like they belong to something important, and have lots of kids. Embrace that, don't drive them into the arms of the SSPX.


Great points.

I hope the Latin Mass comes back.
 
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I heard from a reliable source it's basically anti-Catholic.
I didn’t find it to be anti-Catholic. I think it's probably a semi accurate portrayal of the power dynamics within the papacy along with the opposing elements of traditionalist and progressive elements within today's Catholic church which I know exist in a big way, just as they do within the rest of society.
 
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True indeed. That said, Catholicism dying in the United States varies quite a bit depending on where you are. It's still pretty robust in the areas of the US that are growing.

Also, the vast majority of vocations are coming from orthodox if not conservative Catholics. The liberal, progressive types of Catholics and diocese that reflect that thinking, aren't producing any priests. https://www.ncregister.com/cna/major-survey-finds-conservative-and-orthodox-priests-on-the-rise

The next holy father has to harness the fire of traditionalism and orthodoxy, and weave it in to our novus ordo parishes. Since Vatican II, the popes have largely tried to ghetto-ize traditionalism, and yet it grows and grows. It's time to let it flower, and side by side with the modern church. It is absurd that most churches in the US can have a dedicated spanish mass, which doesn't seem to be any concern of unity, but they are barred from having a Latin Mass.

I get that traditionalism has on occasion lent itself to conspiratorial thinking and disobedience, but that's largely a factor of driving them into the dark corners. Most young trad Catholics don't care about that...they want to wear veils, love God, feel like they belong to something important, and have lots of kids. Embrace that, don't drive them into the arms of the SSPX.
Perhaps wishful thinking, but Catholic blog chatter expects the next pope to be a conservative from sub-Sahara Africa. And my limited research also supports your assertions that our newly minted priests are largely conservative. This would certainly explain the synodality BS — get liberal laymen in a better position to influence doctrine because the future clergy will be quite conservative.
 
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Good points.

Christianity as a whole is dying in America and Europe, though. It's growing in Africa and Asia.

The liberal mainline protestant denominations that have pride flags hanging outside their doors are going extinct.

I also notice there are never sermons on Hell these days.

Jesus spoke of it 30 times in the Gospels.
Ftr, the conservatives probably go across the river to Va.
 
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Perhaps wishful thinking, but Catholic blog chatter expects the next pope to be a conservative from sub-Sahara Africa. And my limited research also supports your assertions that our newly minted priests are largely conservative. This would certainly explain the synodality BS — get liberal laymen in a better position to influence doctrine because the future clergy will be quite conservative.
I tend to think that is wishful thinking.
 
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Pope Francis...the favorite pope of heretics, atheists and nonbelievers LOL. Looking at how much he is beloved by people that hate and disdain Catholics should tell you everything you need to know.

Not counting the OP, I know Brian is the real deal Catholic, but he will not be greatly missed by most Catholics. I hope he rests in peace in heaven, but he's done little to increase the faith, and done all he could to stand in the way of a Catholic resurgence in the USA.

I expect a turn back to right a bit. You've gone from, for lack of a better way to put it, from center right, to far right, to far left...I'd expect a move to center right, but maybe center left.
Is the Pope not the Vicar of Christ? Is he not merely a mouthpiece for God?
 
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