PSA: Ryan K playing now (10:30 AM)
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He ended up playing pretty well. Finished with 8pts, 10 boards, 1 stl, 1 ast, 1 block. Led his team in rebounds and it wasn't even close.
I like Kriener's game
Just played some great perimeter D that ended with a blocked 3pt FG.
I don't know how many minutes Ryan will get this year but I think he will be productive when he gets in the game.
Agreed. The guy plays with a lot of heart. He is all in, every minute, every play
What’s LOL worthy is your “source” telling you that Cook was having season ending ankle surgery last year.
Kriener is a very solid player, who plays hard on both ends and doesn't take a lot of crap from physical opponents. He is a better defender than Luka. I would like to see him consistently get about 15 min/game.
I like his game cause he isn't quite up to McCabe's level of dumbass but still takes no bs from anyone.
You’ve lost quite a bit of credibility in the last year.
FYI....he had 3pts...5 rebs...3 blocks....you managed to get each stat wrong.
Sorry. The stats came from last nights game. He was still 3rd on the team in boards and 2nd in blocks for the game.
I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me Legend!!!
I wasn’t a huge fan of Kriener’s going into last year, but he’s definitely turned me into a fan.
He had a few games where he started out slow with a couple of misses and TOs, then turned it on to have nice games. Kriener just needs to come in and provide some spot minutes. His role helped the Hawks turn things around last season. And for the love of god, stop shooting threes.
To me it seems like RK needs a few minutes to get into a groove. But often would have a few misques and end up back on the bench before he could get going. Hopefully another year of experience will remedy that.
I agree, but last season Kriener came back in and played great putting together a nice stat line.
He still has some head scratchers, but his improvement has been nice.
Yep...he always seemed in a hurry to make something happen. Hopefully this year he will be able to settle down knowing he is likely to get more minutes and therefore can let the game come to him a bit instead of rushing things. At this time I don't think his range extends out to being a legit 3pt threat, so he will have do his damage on the inside, and he hit 59% of his 2s last season so he can be effective doing that.
I love RK game. He will play major minutes and make a big impact. Tough tough kid
ok, who are you and what have you done with legend?
That's what make Ryan,Luka, and Jack different from other big men. Because they can shoot the three, the other teams have to respect that. Both are capable of hitting more then 1 three a game, I like that they have that ability and no I don't want them to become another Cordell Pemsl.
Suppose Kriener takes 10 shots from 2 shooting at a 59% FG rate. That would equate to 5.9 FGs made and 11.8 points.
Now say he shoots 10 3’s at a 33% clip (both numbers were his stats from last year). That’s 3.3 3pt FGs made and 9.9 points.
It seems intuitive to me, but don’t understand why Fran would ever have him take a three. Garza the same. Both players provide more value scoring from inside the arc, and it’s not like their three point shooting opens up the post game. Opposing players have pretty much given the two open looks from behind the arc
LOL. I don’t know where to start on the short sightedness of your breakdown. If only it was that simple. . If he isn’t a threat to shoot (and make) the occasional 3 his 2 point % will likely suffer. If you always pick and roll and never pick and pop you become easier to defend................By YOUR statistical analogy I don’t understand why Fran ever lets Jordan Bohannon shoot the ball and have Kriener take his shots since Jordan averaged 1.03 points for every shot taken and Kreiner averaged 1.14 points for every shot. .......... You mean to tell me (by your stats) had Kriener made one more 3 pointer last year. ONE for the SEASON. You would then say it’s okay since statistically he scores the same weather it’s a 2 point shot or a 3? Yes, I certainly would like to see his 3 point% > 35 % but I get a kick out of those who flip out about him missing 16 3 point shots for the season or .5 misses per game...................Not to mention any statistician would tell you when you take statistical variability into account your example of Kriener would show “no variance “.
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Again, defenses give him threes. As of now, a possession ending in a 3pt attempt by either Kriener or Garza is a “win” for the defense. No different than a long two for most players in modern basketball. And I disagree. Eliminating threes would have virtually no impact on their two point percentage, since the vast majority of their looks come in back to the basket or face up situations. It would only become a factor if they routinely took their man off the dribble (which as L Wade mentioned, Kriener does decently, but not consistently). You don’t have to be a three point threat to hold the ball at the top of the key if you are a good passer. I see it all the time in basketball sets across all levels, where the big man has the ball and facilitates. Hell, that was Adam Woodbury
Beyond that my “stats” were not to be taken as a foolproof means to analyze individual scoring. I used it solely to help illustrate the unimportance of the three point shot in Kriener’s game. If you didn’t find it relevant/useful then sorry, but my stance remains the same.
And I don’t flip out if Kriener takes a three per game... at the same time, multiple threes between he and Garza are essentially wasted opportunities on offense. Admittedly, it was usually Luka who was the source of frustration rather than Kriener
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That idiot John Beilien! Teske scored 63 points on 66 3 point shot while scoring 190 points on 158 2 point shots! Please tell John how simple this is.
You should go into coaching at the college level. Maybe Fran will step down and let you take over the coaching! If Fran did not think that there are advantages to Kriener and Garza shooting 3's, he would not allow them to. I think I will defer to Fran's strategy vs yours.
Yeah I wouldn’t have Jon taking 2.1 threes per game at 30% shooting either. Not claiming to be smarter or more knowledgeable than any of the coaches, just don’t agree with this particular philosophy
Both of their 3pt %s are likely to decrease this year, so will be interesting to watch and see if/how their offense changes.
Nice man. So because I disagree with one very specific aspect of Fran’s offensive strategy (to the tune of essentially 2-3ish shots per game), I think I’m smarter and would be a better coach than Fran. Got it.
As always, if somebody can provide a logical explanation for the current strategy, I’m open to admitting I’m off base/wrong
Kriener has a decent enough mid range game that he won’t become another “Pemsl”. In the same sense, he can still force defenses to respect his shooting ability and not pack it in on him.
Well, that job was open. Should have interviewed and showed the Michigan AD that in depth statistical analysis and i’m Sure you were in.
And # of 3 pointers taken (by all players including players like JoBo) are likely to decrease also.
