Purdue is next

[EastIowaHawk]

Trying to be realistic-- going to Purdue, a road game, with four of our freshmen playing starting minutes, against what may be Purdue's best team in years, with a 7-2 center and a first team All-American in 6-9 Caleb Swanigan, plus capable teammates, in a noisy, hostile arena-- I am preparing myself mentally for a huge beat-down. If by some miracle we would actually win, then this could be a special year. But, I am going to protect my psyche. Our perimeter players are going to have to have a huge shooting game as our inside guys are going to be looking into the armpits of the talented all night. At least we have a lot of big guys to share the fouls.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Trying to be realistic-- going to Purdue, a road game, with four of our freshmen playing starting minutes, against what may be Purdue's best team in years, with a 7-2 center and a first team All-American in 6-9 Caleb Swanigan, plus capable teammates, in a noisy, hostile arena-- I am preparing myself mentally for a huge beat-down. If by some miracle we would actually win, then this could be a special year. But, I am going to protect my psyche. Our perimeter players are going to have to have a huge shooting game as our inside guys are going to be looking into the armpits of the talented all night. At least we have a lot of big guys to share the fouls.

Yep...good idea to be realistic here. Got this one down as an L but I am not so sure it will be a huge beat-down either but an L is an L.

That said, really looking forward to the game and like I was saying before the Big Blue football game, it's why you play the game..??

I really, really like this team too and this is before we get Mr. Cook back on Wednesday.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Painter left Swanigan in most of the second half of that last blowout game. He should have had 30 rebounds.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Trying to be realistic-- going to Purdue, a road game, with four of our freshmen playing starting minutes, against what may be Purdue's best team in years, with a 7-2 center and a first team All-American in 6-9 Caleb Swanigan, plus capable teammates, in a noisy, hostile arena-- I am preparing myself mentally for a huge beat-down. If by some miracle we would actually win, then this could be a special year. But, I am going to protect my psyche. Our perimeter players are going to have to have a huge shooting game as our inside guys are going to be looking into the armpits of the talented all night. At least we have a lot of big guys to share the fouls.

Swanigan had 32-20. Purdue won 91-45. Gotta give Painter credit for letting him play until around 4 min. left in 2nd half. Pete could probably get 50 points if Fran didn't let other guys play in a blowout. I'm just letting off steam lol.

 

[Hawksfor3]

The best way for Iowa to beat Purdue at West Laffeyeti is to invite Rick Mount back for a halftime ceremony

CALLING HIM now LOL.

 

[bonefish1]

Have they solved their guard problem? Last year Fran exposed them because they were too one dimensional. And Uhl had a terrific game. I think Pemsl is a crafty defender but he needs to stay out of foul trouble and we need good minutes from Cook.

To answer your question, Painter brought in Carson Edwards from TX. He's a 4 star combo guard and a pure scorer. He can penetrate, finish at the rim, shoot the three and get his own shot when needed. He's the best one on one scorer at the G position that PU has had in a really long time. Essentially Painter solved the problem he's had for 3 years which was someone who could break the press, break down the D and get shots. That's how Iowa beat us last year: pressed in the 2nd half and our guards didn't respond. We've played some really good teams already (Nova, Lville, ND) and the other coaches went away from the press because PU broke it for easy buckets and transition 3's. (We're one of the top 3 pt shooting teams in the country).
Swanigan is playing like a man possessed right now so let him get his 20 and 12 and hope for poor outside shooting from everyone else.

 

[MTobin]

Have they solved their guard problem? Last year Fran exposed them because they were too one dimensional. And Uhl had a terrific game. I think Pemsl is a crafty defender but he needs to stay out of foul trouble and we need good minutes from Cook.

The answer to that one is yes. While the Boilers were having turnover issues up until the last three games, that was almost entirely the bigs. The guards barely turn it over at all. Thompson's A-TO ratio is >5 and Mathias is in that territory, as well. Pressing defenses, even Louisville's, have not been an issue at all in terms of the guards.

 

[DewHawk]

If Hawks can get Purdue running they might have a chance. Half court game could get ugly for Hawks IMO.

 

[bonefish1]

If Hawks can get Purdue running they might have a chance. Half court game could get ugly for Hawks IMO.

Against ND, Painter went small with a 3 G lineup in the second half with Haas on the bench and Swanigan at the 5. This freed up Vince Edwards who's a tough matchup at the 4. He went for 20/10. We quickly erased a 14 pt halftime deficit.
So, point is, Painter will adjust if the opponent isn't a good matchup to have Haas and Swanigan on the floor together. And if another team wants the get up/down floor, we have the athletes to do that. Auburn and ASU both tried to speed up the tempo and we ran them out of the gym. I'd still let Swanigan do his thing but then really protect the 3 point line so a 3 pt game doesn't become 12 in a few possessions.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

To answer your question, Painter brought in Carson Edwards from TX. He's a 4 star combo guard and a pure scorer. He can penetrate, finish at the rim, shoot the three and get his own shot when needed. He's the best one on one scorer at the G position that PU has had in a really long time. Essentially Painter solved the problem he's had for 3 years which was someone who could break the press, break down the D and get shots. That's how Iowa beat us last year: pressed in the 2nd half and our guards didn't respond. We've played some really good teams already (Nova, Lville, ND) and the other coaches went away from the press because PU broke it for easy buckets and transition 3's. (We're one of the top 3 pt shooting teams in the country).
Swanigan is playing like a man possessed right now so let him get his 20 and 12 and hope for poor outside shooting from everyone else.

Bone....not here to discount anything your beloved Boilers are doing cause they are a tough opponent for sure, loaded with size, talent and experience but you made me check some data via this rivals site here and you noted being one of the top 3 pt teams in the country (11th per rivals at 41% and Iowa drops to 111th at just 4 % pts off at 37%) I would say for a young team Iowa is not too far off of where the Boilers are.

I also see that Iowa is #19th in the country at total points scored at 1,100 pts and PU is #20 at 1096 pts scored. And to point out that this 1100 pts scored by Iowa is the most amount of points scored by any B1G team to date.

FG% wise PU is #18 at 49.7% and Iowa is 88th at 46.7% (3% pts off) and this surprised me a lot that Iowa is 28th in total rebounding at 40.7 RPG and PU is 41st at 40.2 (hardly any difference there but surprised to note that Iowa is wee bit better rebounding)...

This is what Rivals list for stats and I know we could dive into this deeper because defensively is the stat line Iowa needs/has to improve in and have been the last few weeks but the point is, this is really not bad at all for Iowa being such a young team and w/o our best talent next to Jok with Cook being out for awhile now but back on Wednesday......

 

[MTobin]

Swanigan had 32-20. Purdue won 91-45. Gotta give Painter credit for letting him play until around 4 min. left in 2nd half. Pete could probably get 50 points if Fran didn't let other guys play in a blowout. I'm just letting off steam lol.

To be fair, part of the reason for that is Purdue only has 8 healthy scholarship players right now. And, regardless of the opponent, if 32 and 20 is easy, why isn't anybody else doing it?

 

[Legend12]

FG% wise PU is #18 at 49.7% and Iowa is 88th at 46.7% (3% pts off) and this surprised me a lot that Iowa is 28th in total rebounding at 40.7 RPG and PU is 41st at 40.2 (hardly any difference there but surprised to note that Iowa is wee bit better rebounding)......

Iowa is not a better rebounding team than Purdue. Using total rebounds would be a terrible way to measure that. Purdue has a +10.7 rebounding average while Iowa has a +1.6 advantage over their opponents.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Iowa is not a better rebounding team than Purdue. Using total rebounds would be a terrible way to measure that. Purdue has a +10.7 rebounding average while Iowa has a +1.6 advantage over their opponents.

Like I said in the post....I was just looking here locally at two Rival links and not diving into this much further than that....because it's pretty clear PU is the better team statistically than Iowa, no argument there.

PU's Rival Link

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/pau/schedule/

Iowa's Rival Link

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/ian/

One says Total Rebounds 28th (Iowa)

And the other link says 41st (PU)...

like I said I was surprised as anyone to read this but it reads this...???

My point still stands,,,,not bad for the Iowa young uns.

 

[bonefish1]

Bone....not here to discount anything your beloved Boilers are doing cause they are a tough opponent for sure, loaded with size, talent and experience but you made me check some data via this rivals site here and you noted being one of the top 3 pt teams in the country (11th per rivals at 41% and Iowa drops to 111th at just 4 % pts off at 37%) I would say for a young team Iowa is not too far off of where the Boilers are.

I also see that Iowa is #19th in the country at total points scored at 1,100 pts and PU is #20 at 1096 pts scored. And to point out that this 1100 pts scored by Iowa is the most amount of points scored by any B1G team to date.

FG% wise PU is #18 at 49.7% and Iowa is 88th at 46.7% (3% pts off) and this surprised me a lot that Iowa is 28th in total rebounding at 40.7 RPG and PU is 41st at 40.2 (hardly any difference there but surprised to note that Iowa is wee bit better rebounding)...

This is what Rivals list for stats and I know we could dive into this deeper because defensively is the stat line Iowa needs/has to improve in and have been the last few weeks but the point is, this is really not bad at all for Iowa being such a young team and w/o our best talent next to Jok with Cook being out for awhile now but back on Wednesday......

Using 4% difference as 'not too far off" is a tough stat to use to support your argument. As you indicated, there's 100 teams between PU and Iowa in 3 pt fg %.
Also, total rebounds is probably irrelevant. The true measure of rebounding impact is the differential, where PU is about a +10.

 

[EduNeerHawk]

Using 4% difference as 'not too far off" is a tough stat to use to support your argument. As you indicated, there's 100 teams between PU and Iowa in 3 pt fg %.
Also, total rebounds is probably irrelevant. The true measure of rebounding impact is the differential, where PU is about a +10.

Bone.....read my post above. I don't care to argue. I get it and I've posted this too many times already, You got a better team statistically which includes your record.

 

[bonefish1]

Bone.....read my post above. I don't care to argue. I get it and I've posted this too many times already, You got a better team statistically which includes your record.

Not arguing, just discussing strengths and weaknesses and what we might see on Wed night. I'm not a big stats guy but just telling you how PU is different from last year.
Like I said, Swanigan will get his. But if still doubleteam him, make him kick it out and hope PU is cold from outside.

 

[skfboiler]

CALLING HIM now LOL.

Please don't. Rick Mount is doing fine sitting in his rocking chair in Lebanon, IN. Just let him be.

 

[nagemj02]

Is Swanigan actually averaging 20 boards a game? Wow!

No, he had 20 boards in Purdue's most recent game. Up to this point, he's averaging 12.5 RPG.

 

[nagemj02]

Painter left Swanigan in most of the second half of that last blowout game. He should have had 30 rebounds.

Lol. No one's had 30 rebounds in a DI men's hoops game in a long time. Also, Painter never leaves anyone in for a full 40 minutes of regulation. Everyone gets a couple of breathers a game, so that takes away some of the extra minutes available for standouts to shine individually. Right now, Swanigan leads the team in MPG but he averages 30.4 MPG instead of averaging in the 35 or higher range like some coaches might be doing with him now (i.e. Izzo) had they landed him.

 

[bagdropper]

The key will be the first 10-12 minutes.

Keep it a game early, get acclimated to the environment, build some confidence...Iowa must get off to a good start.

Get down big early, it'll be Virginia part 2.

 

[hawk-i bob]

most if not all of the post on this thread are relating to what Iowa needs to do against Purdue...how bout what Purdue needs to do against us?

everyone knows it is to foul the crap out of Jok (assuming the officials call them)...putting PJ on the line would be a benefit for us. If they don't call the fouls...we are probably going to have a long night in Mackey.

then what? one thing Iowa has going is the "unknown".

Purdue is beatable ..but will be a real test for several players playing their first B1G road game. Again how this game is officiated will have an impact.

 

[Legend12]

Lol. No one's had 30 rebounds in a DI men's hoops game in a long time. Also, Painter never leaves anyone in for a full 40 minutes of regulation. Everyone gets a couple of breathers a game, so that takes away some of the extra minutes available for standouts to shine individually. Right now, Swanigan leads the team in MPG but he averages 30.4 MPG instead of averaging in the 35 or higher range like some coaches might be doing with him now (i.e. Izzo) had they landed him.

It happened 2 seasons ago.

 

[Legend12]

Using 4% difference as 'not too far off" is a tough stat to use to support your argument. As you indicated, there's 100 teams between PU and Iowa in 3 pt fg %..

Iowa would need to make their next 24 point attempts to tie Purdue with a 41.3 FG% from 3.

 

[Franisdaman]

This is going to be a huge test. I think they might destroy us with the huge advantage they will have inside.

If the game gets out of hand early I hope we press the crap out of them and try to get into an up tempo game. Let's test those guards and get those big guys running up and down the court. May not work but that may our best shot.

Question on game plan. Do you expect:

* Us to use our bigs' athleticism to get Haas and Swanigan in foul trouble?

* Press the heck out of them to create turnovers (this worked last year) or have their guards improved?

* To get into a running game to see if they can keep up?

 

[MTobin]

Pressing is likely not a good idea. The guards don't turn it over. Louisville, Villanova, Auburn, etc. all backed off.

First question is, do you double in the post. Purdue will start out testing that. They have some basic rules. If Haas or Swanigan are one-on-one in the post, they are expected to try to score. If not, kick out and repost.

If the Hawkeyes choose to zone, they can't let Swanigan catch the ball at the foul line, because a) he can consistently stick that jumper, b) will feed Haas in high-low c) can drive it, or d) is patient enough to find the open 3-point shooter.

The Purdue defense is not the shot- blocking, smother the ball scheme of the past. It's more about keeping the ball in front and running shooters off the 3-point line. They do, however, still tend to struggle to contain the dribble, so if you have effective penetrators, you can break them down a bit. They are steadily improving defensively, and sit at #12 in defensive efficiency largely because they don't foul much and allow very few second chances.

You almost don't want to get Haas in foul trouble, as the Purdue offense is harder to contain without him. Swanigan becomes a "stretch 5", the driving lanes open up for both Edwards' and Mathias/Thompson/Cline get a lot of wide open looks from 3.

I always like when conference play starts. Will be interesting to see how each team plays it and what adjustments they make for the relatively quick rematch at C-H in game 5.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

Jok will have 3 Purdue players hanging on him when he gets off the plane in WL today

 

[HawksRMe]

The key will be the first 10-12 minutes.

Keep it a game early, get acclimated to the environment, build some confidence...Iowa must get off to a good start.

Get down big early, it'll be Virginia part 2.

Agree with this. The good news is that all of the Frosh seem to have short memories and just want to play the game. Don't see them being afraid of Purdue or Macke. Play as good as they can and see what happens.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Iowa will have to shoot it well from outside.

We pressed last year and also we got mis-matches on offense. We pulled Hammons and Haas away from the basket which helps open up the lane. We will have to do that again and I hate to say it UHL is going to have to be on this game. He can be a mis-match and he can also defend their bigs. If Iowa can withstand the runs and the crowd and be within 10 at the under 8min TO of the second half I think they will have a shot. Purdue will pressure the young guards and their bigs will hack away. Iowa will have to rebound and shoot about 50% from 3 land to win this one.

 

[bonefish1]

Question on game plan. Do you expect:

* Us to use our bigs' athleticism to get Haas and Swanigan in foul trouble?

* Press the heck out of them to create turnovers (this worked last year) or have their guards improved?

* To get into a running game to see if they can keep up?

Last year, the press killed PU and several teams used it to comeback from big deficits (including Iowa). The problem was we didn't have a press breaking guard and the ones on the floor were too tentative when pressed.
We haven't had that problem this year and Painter had figured out how to turn the press into quick buckets so we haven't seen it as much this year.
Will be interesting to see if Iowa presses and if PU and make them pay.
If Iowa plays two bigs, so will painter, but if Iowa goes small, painter will put Haas on the bench and go with 3 guards, Edwards at 6'8 and swanigan at the 5.

 

[DanL53]

My compliments to the Purdue fans on this board. Great conversation.

Regarding our press. It takes more than one guy to break it, and by design it is meant to get the ball out of the best ball handlers hands, to take time off the clock, and screw you up either not getting the ball across the line in ten seconds, or do so in the wrong hands, at the wrong place, and possibly being trapped against the sideline and mid-court line.

Opposing guards don't see this kind of thing everyday and it will be interesting to see what your point guard brings to breaking it. If he tries to do so alone, he'll be playing into what our trap is about.

Regarding Legend's magical math skills. A 4% difference between three point shooting is almost meaningless in terms of a single game. Either team, with a slight edge in probability to Purdue, could come out shooting better.

Can't wait to get this Big Ten season started! Good opponent, best of luck Purdue!

 

[Herkmeister]

Iowa will shock the world and defeat Purdue.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Lol. No one's had 30 rebounds in a DI men's hoops game in a long time. Also, Painter never leaves anyone in for a full 40 minutes of regulation. Everyone gets a couple of breathers a game, so that takes away some of the extra minutes available for standouts to shine individually. Right now, Swanigan leads the team in MPG but he averages 30.4 MPG instead of averaging in the 35 or higher range like some coaches might be doing with him now (i.e. Izzo) had they landed him.

Swanigan's numbers are great, But I believe they are not sustainable in league play. Teams in the BIG are better than a team like Norfolk State.

 

[MTobin]

32 and 20 are obviously not sustainable; however, 18.5 and 12.5 are. His averages for Villanova, Louisville and Notre Dame were 20.0 and 9.7, and the Big Ten on the whole is not as good as those three.

 

[nagemj02]

It happened 2 seasons ago.

Ok, that's my mistake then: who was it?

 

[nagemj02]

Question on game plan. Do you expect:

* Us to use our bigs' athleticism to get Haas and Swanigan in foul trouble?

* Press the heck out of them to create turnovers (this worked last year) or have their guards improved?

* To get into a running game to see if they can keep up?

I do expect McCaffery to have his guys using the 3/4 court press and a few other variations against the Boilers. However, Purdue has not really had any problems with team's pressing them so far this season. Most of their turnovers are in the halfcourt O from Haas, Swanigan, or V. Edwards. Freshman PG Carsen Edwards has helped with beating traps and presses, as he is by far the quickest player with the ball on the team. Also, the team just seems to be making better passes against it and better decisions overall. We'll see what happens tonight. I'm expecting it to be a good game and end up being a close game.

Boiler Up

 

[Hawksfor3]

Question on game plan. Do you expect:

* Us to use our bigs' athleticism to get Haas and Swanigan in foul trouble?

* Press the heck out of them to create turnovers (this worked last year) or have their guards improved?

* To get into a running game to see if they can keep up?

I watched the Iowa State game again and found that our guys used a 2-3 zone a lot. Burton still got some points but overall they missed outside and did have a hard time getting it into the paint.

 

[DanL53]

I wish Purdue was our neighbor and Iowa State was in Death Valley without any water.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

They said last night that Purdue is the conference leader and the best bet for a final 4 team. So the expectations are high for this group. Iowa is young and really has nothing to lose. I hope for a competitive ball game and no injuries.