Young offense????? This might be one of the oldest offenses in college football. I think 2 members of the oline and the starting QB have kids in elementary school already.
QBs - quick take
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Less than 3 weeks to games, Hawks looking like a team with no qb yet. Son of a gun it’s the same old story every year anymore.
Like the offense overall, qb will be better. It still won’t be good. Actually it will probably be poor. But poor qb play will be a massive improvement over last year’s sh!tshow.
What did Dochterman mean by "way behind"? Way behind throwing the ball or knowing the new offense or both?
That's a pretty low bar. We're shooting for poor now.
I asked a defensive staff member a couple years ago if they’ve tried not having the offense go against the starting defense to build confidence for the offense. He said they had tried it and it didn’t make a difference. The offense couldn’t move the ball still.
KF has already told us he doesn’t know much about QBs and I highly doubt Cade won’t be under center so long as he’s healthy.
That said, I expect very little change from last season. Maybe a couple new wrinkles having the new OC, but I’ll be shocked if we aren’t near the bottom of every offensive team stat again this season.
That said, I expect very little change from last season. Maybe a couple new wrinkles having the new OC, but I’ll be shocked if we aren’t near the bottom of every offensive team stat again this season.
I agree. No one here knows if the OLine has improved, if the WR's have improved, if Lachey can move. Based on the scrimmage, CMcN can't run and his passes were off while Sully showed he can run but also that his passes were off. Just because there is a new OC with a new scheme doesn't mean quality of play will improve.
Call me a pessimist (someone will be along shortly to do that) but I'll believe in the improved play when I see it.
Parker’s scheme allows the offense to complete the easiest passes. It’s that you have to do it 30x in a drive.
The CBs play 10’yards off the LOS. You have LB covering slot WR.
When Iowa goes up against teams with an accurate QB and talent at skill positions, they get eaten alive in TOP and yardage.
Now in most cases the Iowa defense does not break until they’re tired. What i don’t get is the Iowa fan delusion of pitching shutouts as the only way for the defense to be successful. 3-0 in the average Iowa fan perfect win (and Kirk)
If Iowa offense cannot complete the simple underneath passes allowed in Phils scheme, they are going to struggle (and have for long ass time) against a defense who can disguise and pressure
Iowas DL didn’t really generate a lot of pressure last year and there’s concern about that same stat this season
Yet they were in the QB face on nearly every throw.
I don’t understand when you look at other teams scrimmages / practices their offense moves the ball against talented defenses. It’s not like Iowa is the only team that has talent or good scheme
There’s something fundamentally broken with the Iowa offense. Let’s see if Lester can fix it at some point this year to have any chance going into the future seasons. Cause we’re in a horrible cycle right now
No skill players in a horrible offense which doesn’t attract skill players which continues to perform poorly
Can believe this when every pass is going sideways. Its a forward pass and Iowa doesn’t know how to do it
So you're saying, all the offense has lacked the last 5 years is confidence?
It is too bad they couldn't net a legit transfer QB this offseason, I'm not disappointed in Sullivan, but Ty Thompson and Malachi Nelson should have been paid.
I think the idea is that the offense doesn't even have a chance to practice running successful plays against a stifling defense, so that when they are facing lesser defenses, the idea/expectation of success doesn't exist because it hasn't been experienced day to day.
That has been the approach to take for a very long time.
Any word coming out of camp or practices about new and improved offense should be viewed with skepticism. The signs so far are, to put it mildly, not great. But we won't know until we see them in game action.
They will probably be statistically better on offense. It might even be enough improvement to be apparent in game action. Moving out of the bottom 20 is a significant improvement. That's still bad, but it's not the worst.
So, the bar is set at improving enough to be a bad offense. If we are really fortunate it might even be watchable.
The hope is that we can run the ball. That will be tough if/when teams are loading up against it, but if we can still muster some success on the ground, it should help open things up in the air. The trick/key will be making makeable plays, which we haven't been able to do in over three years.
Bump for accuracy of how Iowa fans feel about the QB situation with regards to Iowa having a successful offense..............
Practice Stud/Gametime Dud <<<<<<<<<<< Practice Dud/Gametime Stud
Let's hope we have the latter.
Let's hope we have the latter.
It definitely can be a good and a bad thing.
I look at the sport of wrestling.
My son who was extremely good at wrestling would beat the living crap out of his practice partner.
It made his partner "tougher" but he never really got to work on HIS offense.
I always thought you wanted to go up against someone slightly better than you. You shouldn't go up against someone way worse or way better.
I think that very early in the season, we will see who really controls the offense.
Hindsight Stanley was a solid QB. What drove me nuts was his inability to hit WIDE OPEN recievers down field.
Tony Collins was open deep, Matt’s hand was broken and he should have taken himself out
Parker daring our offense to compete 1s vs 1s in practice!! Move the ball vs Castro, Higgins, Jackson, X…etc…you’ve done something!
I know it right, every year at Iowa we seem to have a qb competition (eye roll) . Wonder how them blue blood schools fans handle this every year???
Opinion: Stratton overtakes Lainez for 3rd string by September. Thought he was very much on time and mostly accurate with throws.
Speculation: thought accuracy issues for Cade were often throwing with weight more on his back than front leg which can cause ball to sail. Theory being that in drills he feels safe transferring weight to front leg (his brace leg) but in live action might have the yips due to fears players could roll up on his forward leg. For horizontal throws may feel safer (screens et al) as he isn’t leaning into traffic with it. Downfield throws take longer and his leg needs to extend towards the LOS.
Speculation: thought accuracy issues for Cade were often throwing with weight more on his back than front leg which can cause ball to sail. Theory being that in drills he feels safe transferring weight to front leg (his brace leg) but in live action might have the yips due to fears players could roll up on his forward leg. For horizontal throws may feel safer (screens et al) as he isn’t leaning into traffic with it. Downfield throws take longer and his leg needs to extend towards the LOS.
Nate missed some long throws no doubt. but he was a damn good QB. I'd argue that it was because we so rarely went downfield. You get good at stuff by practicing it. Check downs to zone runs into the near sideline don't get you those reps. As some mentioned, following CJB didn't help perceptions either.
As for the ongoing QB shit show. Cade does not look like the answer. Our #2 guy wasn't on the roster 6 months ago and our depth is young, thin (literally) and untested. Sound familiar?
I have to believe Lester took the job with the hope that he could position himself for a shot at HC in a few years. Hopefully he has enough success with the offense to do so. What he's learning is that KFz's blind spot for offense has killed recruiting at QB and WR (his mastery of the OL appears to have faded as well) If Tim can duct tape things together to make a serviceable offense...he'll be a legend.
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Very little change from last season? I suppose I'll take 10 wins again.
Btw, it's a completely different system on offense
Good luck with that. The 2023 unicorn is unlikely to happen again.
lol…to your comment that Sullivan throws it like a shot put. I certainly didn’t get that vibe at the recent open scrimmage.
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