Question about IA hoops Schollies.................

[IowaNiceHawk]

Does Connor M need to take-up a Schollie ?

Wouldn't, or couldn't Fran bring Connor in as a In-State WalkOn, paying his
own way, to 'Save' a scholarship?

That seems like it would be a Competitive advantage, presuming that it's within the goofy rule of NC2a

 

[MepoDawg#]

Does Connor M need to take-up a Schollie ?

Wouldn't, or couldn't Fran bring Connor in as a In-State WalkOn, paying his
own way, to 'Save' a scholarship?

That seems like it would be a Competitive advantage, presuming that it's within the goofy rule of NC2a

There is no scholarship available for Connor to use anyways.

 

[SSG T]

They've already said he's walking on. He's probably going to play baseball too as it sounds like he prefers that to basketball (if he has to make a choice). Why wouldn't it be within the rules? Baer walked on last season. And there's not really a thing call In State Walk On. You're either a walk on or a scholarship player. If you're a walk on, you pay tuition, room and board based on your residence (or any non-athletic scholarships).

 

[DanL53]

Does Connor M need to take-up a Schollie ?

Wouldn't, or couldn't Fran bring Connor in as a In-State WalkOn, paying his
own way, to 'Save' a scholarship?

That seems like it would be a Competitive advantage, presuming that it's within the goofy rule of NC2a

He could and pretty much has for one year unless someone transfers. As to the future the way I see it is it is his kid, his money, his choice.

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

They've already said he's walking on. He's probably going to play baseball too as it sounds like he prefers that to basketball (if he has to make a choice). Why wouldn't it be within the rules? Baer walked on last season. And there's not really a thing call In State Walk On. You're either a walk on or a scholarship player. If you're a walk on, you pay tuition, room and board based on your residence (or any non-athletic scholarships).

Did not hear this, previously. Thank you.

The difference in being an IN-State walk on is that Instate Tuition is lower.......that's my point, there. Good News and thanks for clearing it up for me and my Posse.

GO HAWKS

 

[RocknRollface]

Is this a serious question?

 

[RocknRollface]

I thinks it funny that so many people were offended at the idea when every power 5 coach in the country would gladly pay tuition for an extra scholarship player.

Because its a huge advantage over the competition.

Such an idiotic argument.

 

[cocoem]

Certainly the Ash kid from Mt Vernon is not going to still walk-on.

 

[nu2u]

every power 5 coach in the country would gladly pay tuition for an extra scholarship player.

LOL ..no

 

[dmoore27]

I wondered if the walk on gets access to same tutors, living space, trips with the team, etc.

I guess the easier question would be Does a walk on not receive anything that a scholarship player does other than tuition?

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Does Connor M need to take-up a Schollie ?

Wouldn't, or couldn't Fran bring Connor in as a In-State WalkOn, paying his
own way, to 'Save' a scholarship?

That seems like it would be a Competitive advantage, presuming that it's within the goofy rule of NC2a

I am guessing that Connor redshirts his first year and walks on. Then give a good effort towards baseball to see where that goes.

If he does redshirt, that would be fine. We don't have a scholly, and playing time is going to be slim. Plus, a 5th-year senior Connor, will be much better than a 4th-year senior Connor. I would take that.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

I wondered if the walk on gets access to same tutors, living space, trips with the team, etc.

I guess the easier question would be Does a walk on not receive anything that a scholarship player does other than tuition?

They receive everything a scholarship kid would, outside having everything paid for

 

[EastIowaHawk]

Iowa has PREFERRED walk-ons. They are asked to walk-on by the coaching staff. These are players who have other college offers but still choose to come to Iowa and pay their own way. Riley Till, freshman from Wahlert and a long-time teammate of Cordell Pemsl, is a preferred walkon, who is red-shirted this year. So will be Austin Ash and most likely also Connor McCaffery be preferred walk-ons. Yes, they have all the benefits of a scholarship player, travel with the team, etc. In Connor's case, this is solely to save a scholly. Just my opinion, but Connor will ultimately be a starter for Iowa next year as only Bohannon can match his skill set among guards. I really doubt that Connor will redshirt. There are some people on this board who are seriously underestimating the three freshmen coming in (Nunge, McCaffery and Garza). This group could be every bit as good as the Cook, Pemsl, Bohannon, (Moss) group.

 

[RocknRollface]

LOL ..no

Guys that make millions whos jobs depend on wining. Think just a little bit.

 

[nu2u]

Guys that make millions whos jobs depend on wining. Think just a little bit.

Yeah because that 14th scholarship player would definitely make a big difference in the win column where the 13 other scholarship players had not. JFC

 

[Cydkar]

Certainly the Ash kid from Mt Vernon is not going to still walk-on.

Why wouldn't he? Did something happen?

 

[HawkLogic]

I am guessing that Connor redshirts his first year and walks on. Then give a good effort towards baseball to see where that goes.

If he does redshirt, that would be fine. We don't have a scholly, and playing time is going to be slim. Plus, a 5th-year senior Connor, will be much better than a 4th-year senior Connor. I would take that.

There is pretty good chance that someone will transfer...everyone seems happy, but transfers are common in college b-ball. I'm guessing they will just give him the scholarship vs trying to find a late recruit. Redshirt makes sense if both CW/Bohannon stay healthy.

 

[And1Hawk]

Connor is getting the next open scholly and rightfully so... deal with it or find another team.

 

[jberesford]

I thinks it funny that so many people were offended at the idea when every power 5 coach in the country would gladly pay tuition for an extra scholarship player.

Because its a huge advantage over the competition.

Such an idiotic argument.

Well. There has been problems on the past. If you remember when Baylor Basketball was a giant dumpster fire of a program in the early 2000s where one player killed another and the coach was telling kids they had scholarships they really didn't, when he was in fact paying it out of pocket. That allowed him to carry 2 extra players. He actually called one of them a drug dealer and threw him under the bus to cover his ass on how the kid was paying his way so as to not implicate himself.

Somehow out of the deal Baylor didn't get the death penalty. I can't for the life of me understand how this isn't talked about more with everything going on with their football program and how they're kind of the new SMU. MAJOR, MAJOR stuff twice a little more than a decade apart. If they don't get hammered down on this time, I have lost all faith in the NCAA. I get that some things are just out of your hands if you have corrupt coaches or administrators, but holy hell if there was one program that needed to have oversight like a microscope over their athletic program, it was them. And then it blew up again.

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

There is pretty good chance that someone will transfer...everyone seems happy, but transfers are common in college b-ball. I'm guessing they will just give him the scholarship vs trying to find a late recruit. Redshirt makes sense if both CW/Bohannon stay healthy.

Don't count out Dailey either. Fran said he was a 1-3 position player.... Regardless, with Connor's known interest in baseball, I can easily see a redshirt year, as baseball will conflict with the end of basketball.
With baseball being his fav sport, he is going to give it his all, there is no doubt. Unless he falls on his face this summer. And I doubt that will happen.

So, if he can make a go with baseball, he will. That said, he will give basketball a go as well. If it works out, Connor will be a two sport guy. It will be interesting to see. Would love to see him tear it up with Heller ball and on the hardwood.

As for the scholarship, if one comes available, he will get it. However, if Fran can score a top knotch player, he will

 

[ZumaHawk]

Let's put it this way.....Fran will take care of the situation for all of us. I understand we want to be in the know but for some reason I believe all is good!!!!!

 

[K OKeefe]

Does Connor M need to take-up a Schollie ?

Wouldn't, or couldn't Fran bring Connor in as a In-State WalkOn, paying his
own way, to 'Save' a scholarship?

That seems like it would be a Competitive advantage, presuming that it's within the goofy rule of NC2a

Doug McDermott played as a walk on his senior season at Creighton so it is well within the rules of the NCAA.

 

[RocknRollface]

Yeah because that 14th scholarship player would definitely make a big difference in the win column where the 13 other scholarship players had not. JFC

Allow me to explain the obvious. It shouldn't need to be explained but I will do it anyway.

Take Jack Nunge. Hes our 14th player.

Had Fran not had the ability to take an extra player because hes allowed to pay for Connor we dont get this guy because our other scholorships are tied up with players in other classes who aren't as good, or dont have as much potential as him.

It allowed Fran to stockpile an extra guy for the future. He may not have had a chance to land a guy of his talent in the next class.

This is really really simple stuff.

Its not about playing more players its about the ability to recruit over players who dont turn out to be as good as you had hoped. Its why coaches Crean players.

The more available rides you have the more the odds fall in your favor of players working out and putting together a better top 10 rotation.

Its the entire reason they have scholorship limits.

 

[nu2u]

This is really really simple stuff

If you're simple minded - yes.

 

[DanL53]

I'm curious. So let's say Fran gives Conner a scholarship. And, keep in mind this kid is a top 150 Rivals player.

So what are we going to do about it then?

See, the way I figure it, again, this is Fran's kid, this is Fran's money, I don't think we have any business deciding what he should or shouldn't do for him.

That's not what anybody is saying here, is it? I mean, an opinion is alright just to talk about I guess, nobody here really feels a decision about something like this should have fans involved, right?

Because if we're going to go that route I have an even better idea! Make Fran and Margaret have more kids! One's good, two's better, maybe Jack turns out alright. Go for a dozen! And if they can't produce together how about we get Fran a "partner". I mean, what we're saying here is he's got the dough and a walkon gets us more guys on the team.

And sooner or later somebody is going to figure out that the more we win, the more kids he'll be able to afford!

If we're walking in his house and telling him how to run his family. If we're reaching in his pocket and spending his money. What's wrong with digging a little deeper and telling him where to stick that money maker!?!?

What's the difference?

So. What I'd do, if I were Fran, is if a kid came along that I HAD TO HAVE, I'd probably ask Conner or Patrick to walk-on. But that's me. And it sure would have to be an elite player.

But if McCaffery sees it differently, that's up to him.

And that, to me, is simple.

 

[RocknRollface]

If you're simple minded - yes.

So now you understand a little more than you did before and why you were wrong.

Just leave it there. That comment just makes you look more silly.

 

[RocknRollface]

I'm curious. So let's say Fran gives Conner a scholarship. And, keep in mind this kid is a top 150 Rivals player.

So what are we going to do about it then?

See, the way I figure it, again, this is Fran's kid, this is Fran's money, I don't think we have any business deciding what he should or shouldn't do for him.

That's not what anybody is saying here, is it? I mean, an opinion is alright just to talk about I guess, nobody here really feels a decision about something like this should have fans involved, right?

Because if we're going to go that route I have an even better idea! Make Fran and Margaret have more kids! One's good, two's better, maybe Jack turns out alright. Go for a dozen! And if they can't produce together how about we get Fran a "partner". I mean, what we're saying here is he's got the dough and a walkon gets us more guys on the team.

And sooner or later somebody is going to figure out that the more we win, the more kids he'll be able to afford!

If we're walking in his house and telling him how to run his family. If we're reaching in his pocket and spending his money. What's wrong with digging a little deeper and telling him where to stick that money maker!?!?

What's the difference?

So. What I'd do, if I were Fran, is if a kid came along that I HAD TO HAVE, I'd probably ask Conner or Patrick to walk-on. But that's me. And it sure would have to be an elite player.

But if McCaffery sees it differently, that's up to him.

And that, to me, is simple.

I think you're imagining an argument that was never made, by anyone. IE telling someone what they have to or should do.

Youre looking at it from the wrong perspective.

The argument was not about obligations or sacrifices it was about getting people to understand that what ever happens Fran will make the choice that is most advantageous to himself. And thats what hes doing.

So whether he does or doesn't, it works out the same. Theres no downside.

 

[nu2u]

So now you understand a little more than you did before and why you wrong.

Just leave it there. That comment just makes you look more silly.

Yeah man now I understand. Keep on rockin in the free world.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

I am guessing that Connor redshirts his first year and walks on. Then give a good effort towards baseball to see where that goes.

If he does redshirt, that would be fine. We don't have a scholly, and playing time is going to be slim. Plus, a 5th-year senior Connor, will be much better than a 4th-year senior Connor. I would take that.

Personally I'd be surprised if he walks on.....with Jok graduating we're thin in the back court and he'll have an opportunity to play if he's good enough.

On a side note....if Connor does get PT next year I think he takes over as the whipping boy for a certain portion of the fan base. Unfortunate but I guess it comes with the territory.

 

[DanL53]

I think you're imaging an argument that was never made, by anyone. IE telling someone what they have to or should do.

Youre looking at it from the wrong perspective.

The argument was not about obligations or sacrifices it was about getting people to understand that what ever happens Fran will make the choice that is most advantageous to himself. And thats what hes doing.

So whether he does or doesn't, it works out the same. Theres no downside.

That's why I was asking.

As long as this is all hypothetical no biggie.

 

[amahawk]

Connor is getting the next open scholly and rightfully so... deal with it or find another team.

Maybe,maybe not.

 

[RocknRollface]

Connor is getting the next open scholly and rightfully so... deal with it or find another team.

Why did Fran take Nunge then?

He certainly wasn't obligated too and it certainly was not an act of charity.

Whats the difference between then and next year?

 

[papabeef]

Allow me to explain the obvious. It shouldn't need to be explained but I will do it anyway.

Take Jack Nunge. Hes our 14th player.

Had Fran not had the ability to take an extra player because hes allowed to pay for Connor we dont get this guy because our other scholorships are tied up with players in other classes who aren't as good, or dont have as much potential as him.

It allowed Fran to stockpile an extra guy for the future. He may not have had a chance to land a guy of his talent in the next class.

This is really really simple stuff.

Its not about playing more players its about the ability to recruit over players who dont turn out to be as good as you had hoped. Its why coaches Crean players.

The more available rides you have the more the odds fall in your favor of players working out and putting together a better top 10 rotation.

Its the entire reason they have scholorship limits.

is there a walk-on limit ?

 

[hawkeyeguy69]

Personally I'd be surprised if he walks on.....with Jok graduating we're thin in the back court and he'll have an opportunity to play if he's good enough.

On a side note....if Connor does get PT next year I think he takes over as the whipping boy for a certain portion of the fan base. Unfortunate but I guess it comes with the territory.

This is another reason I hope he redshirts. The amount of criticism from a loud part of our fan base would be quite ugly. And it will be ugly. The first turnover and the nasty people will come out screaming. A blown chance at the end of a game we lose and they be blaming him. Right or wrong, it will happen either way from some of our fans. Hate that portion of our fan base.

Give it a year and the tone would be drastically lower than if he was thrown to the wolves right away. Plus he would be a better player as a sophomore redshirt, that is without question. That and his skill set is not our urgent need. That would be a quick guard who can shoot, dish, drive, and defend. Moss, Williams and Dailey are who we got. They might not be the answer, but I definitely do not see Connor filling that role either. A man in the middle is our other need. But we should have that more than covered.

I would not be surprised if he walks on. As the scholarship situation stands, he will. But I am sure there will be a spot openning for him this year. That said, if Fran could bring in another stud player, it would be easy enough for Connor to drop his scholly to make the team better. Like Doug McDermott did his senior year. It does help when your dad is a multimillionaire.

However it works out, I hope nothing but the best for him. A Bohannon style year would be quite awesome!

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Doug McDermott played as a walk on his senior season at Creighton so it is well within the rules of the NCAA.

Wow, very good discussion...........glad I brought this up.

GO HAWKS

 

[IowaNiceHawk]

Why did Fran take Nunge then?

He certainly wasn't obligated too and it certainly was not an act of charity.

Whats the difference between then and next year?

He 'took him' because he's darned good player, I think

 

[ichawk24]

The difference in being an IN-State walk on is that Instate Tuition is lower.......

The Athletic Department pays in-state tuition rates for out-of-state scholarship players.

It wouldn't surprise me if out-of-state walkons paid in-state rates.

 

[RocknRollface]

He 'took him' because he's darned good player, I think

Exactly. And because he could.

 

[DanL53]

Why did Fran take Nunge then?

He certainly wasn't obligated too and it certainly was not an act of charity.

Whats the difference between then and next year?

I have a theory on that. They both (Nunge, Garza) pretty much committed on the same weekend or he might not have. But since the odds are somebody transfers anyway, Fran played the odds.

In other words, I think Conner's going to get a scholarship.

 

[Vbeachawk]

Jeesh, talk about overkill, this thread is one of those. The only interesting question, imo, is there a walk on limit for players in basketball and/or football? Go at it guys.