Exactly, I retired last year. I was down to only deadlifting since 2011 or so. I found at around 53 I started getting mild muscle pulls so now I just stay in shape, I hate to say it but “tone”, lol.
I don't get into that sort of discussion. Cael is the best until someone else is undefeated for their whole career, and none of the current or former PSU or Iowa champions qualify for that. Who is second, third, etc. all-time doesn't really matter.
We’re about the same age. I started doing a lot of walking during Covid and thought I was in decent shape until spending the day boulder hopping while shooting waves on the coast last winter. I get a lot more out of that in a day than walking in the valley all week long.
Exactly, I cannot go heavy with weights any more, it's like one year I fell off a cliff. I shoot for 10k or more steps in a day and I'm going to get back into moderate lifting soon. At our age the ability to move outweighs the extreme performance stuff.
I was near the top of the country in the deadlift from app 45 and up to 55, then went over the cliff. I remember lifting at a meet app 10 years ago or so and only a few guys out pulled me. I was in the 198s, not I'm doing 2/3 or less just to stay solid. It's hard to see the decline but we have to be glad we're mobile and can still do something.
I'd agree with you there, however any 4x champ is an all time great. From looking at the list I'd guess it's safe to say Lee is the best 125 lber ever if he wins it this year. And he'll be the second guy only to win all four at the same weight.
I’m still so limber it’s crazy. My last gf thought I was into yoga after seeing what just comes natural to me.
It's a big deal, I'm probably not as limber as you but It's helped my soft tissue health over the years.
Long ago I got into an accident and had to go to a chiropractor for my back. I’ll never forget the first time the guy adjusted my lower back and realized I just kept bending. Lol (I’m not double jointed.)
I could see that. I've been using chiropractors and massage therapists for years for musculoskeletal stuff. I see them more than MDs actually. I try to take care of myself so I don't need much medical care.
I usually see a doc once a year to get prescriptions renewed.
This is like an old timers thread. I retired last year as well & also knew John T. Great guy. We’ve gotten into disc golf to get our steps in. Very eclectic crowd, most Dub might relate to. Always cheered for the Thorn boys unless wrestling Iowa. Pat Dorn was another from Adrian I wrestled a few times growing. He won a couple national championships at SDSU.
What sized kid ends up in a 125 weight class, after cutting? Is it all kids that naturally weigh 140 and below? If so, the CDC shows nearly 25% of 20 year old males weigh 140lb or less.
I met Pat before he was old enough to enter the tourneys his brother competed in. They were all nice folks. Bruce Fujon from Worthington was another friendship developed from competition.
This is what makes Spencer the indisputed GOAT, in my opinion.
Very hard to argue with 159-0, but there are a few things. The main thing is SL won as a true Freshman! 2nd as you said he has won with multiple serious injuries. 3rd I would wait and look at the NCAA tournaments and do a side by side comparison to see who dominated more? 4th He should win a 3rd Hodge which has never been done!
There's also the loss to Paul Jenn, a good but not great opponent, during Carl's redshirt season. Basically the equivalent to the loss to Bresser at Midlands, except Carl wasn't coming off of an ACL repair and his loss wasn't on a controversial last-second takedown that probably would have been overturned if review had been an option.
I can’t give him that with Sanderson’s record, but if he wins his fourth he’s only the 5th guy, technically lol. The Cornell fellow with the name I can’t spell might be a few matches behind him.
I’ll give it to the guy who did it first , Sanderson. I mean undefeated , Olympics etc. I believe there was a four time champ prior to him.
Pat Smith was the first, but arguably, Sanderson was the only one of the four that wasn't gifted one, either by refs, the courts, or the NCAA. Spencer is as good as anyone who has wrestled in my lifetime in spite of the losses.
No, less matches and a few losses separates them
Wasn't Sanderson 159-0? Edit, yep, Prior to 2022/2023 Lee was 78-5, this year I think he's 8-0. I think someone wrote somewhere that if he wins out he'll have 100 wins and I assume no more losses.
Better? They're not going to be mentioned in the conversation since they didn't win four.
Along those lines, there are 2 other undefeated wrestlers. Dan Hodge was an undefeated 3-time NCAA Champ as was Yojiro Uetake. And although Spencer may be a 3 time Hodge winner upon finishing his career, they did name the award after the guy. So there's that.
Not much love on this board for Steibler, Carl, or Drake.
To your point, how would one rank the 125 lb class if Drake Ayala were wrestling instead of Lee? I have no dog in this fight, just curious what others would say.
