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Raveling recruiting

Wow is right for that '85 class.
All time leading scorer.
Four of the 5 spent significant time in the NBA.
And, not to leave out Easy Ed, who was one of the all time great power forwards at Iowa.
I'll venture to say that's the best recruiting class in the history of Iowa basketball.

I'd say 2 (Armstrong and Gamble) of the 5 spent "significant" time in the NBA.

Marble played 29 games.
Horton played 45 games.
Jepsen played 52 games.
 
I'd say 2 (Armstrong and Gamble) of the 5 spent "significant" time in the NBA.

Marble played 29 games.
Horton played 45 games.
Jepsen played 52 games.
Unfortunately the demon drugs did Roy in, or he would certainly have had a much longer career.
 
That Mark Jewell was a head scratcher. I remember George saying that Bob Knight recommended him to George. Gee, I wonder why Knight didn't find room for him.

Jewell was Indiana's Mr. Basketball that year. So he wasn't too shabby of a recruit.
 
I remember George also having the directors chairs along the sidelines for the players to sit in instead of a traditional bench.
 
Raveling was single. Iowa City did not offer him the urban setting he sought.
You are right. George talked not only about the lack of urban living environement but also his being a single black male in it. He also felt he was never going to be a "Lute". Most of all he had an opportunity to move to LA with it's recruiting advantages and it's very urban environment. As for Lute everything previously mentioned played a part in the decesion to move to Tucson. However, speaking with him after the move he also has voiced his displeasure with the officiating in the big ten and his decision to become vocal about it. Which just turned out to make the officiating problem even worse.
 
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I got to thinking today about the recruiting of George Raveling, which we all know was phenomenal. But I wanted to dive a little deeper, to take a look at each of his recruiting classes individually. My memory is pretty hazy, and the Internet did not exist in the mid-80s, so information is hard to come by. But below is what I came up with. I welcome any corrections.

1983 Class
(Raveling was hired in spring of '83, so many (most?) of these guys were likely inherited recruits from Lute Olsen. Few lasted with the team, so information is sketchy.)
- Dave Snedeker
- Kenny Fullard (Juco)
- Kent Hill
- Robert "Spider" Ursery
- Johnny Fort

1984 Class
- Jeff Moe
- Bill Jones
- Al Lorenzen
- Gerry Wright (transfer from USC)
- Michael Morgan
- Michael Reaves

1985 Class (wow!)
- BJ Armstrong
- Kevin Gamble (juco)
- Roy Marble
- Ed Horton
- Les Jepsen

1986 Class
(These players never played for Raveling at Iowa, but were signed when he left in the spring of '86)
- Mark Jewell
- Anthony Pendleton (followed Raveling to USC)

Am I missing anyone? Do I have anyone assigned to the wrong year?

NEVER again will Iowa have a recruiting class like that 1985.

5 recruits in the class.

All 5 eventually played at least one season in the NBA.

Has Iowa even had 5 kids since then play in the NBA?
 
See how good my memory is: R Bowen, Freddy Brown, J Johnson, R Davis, AC Earl, R Evans, K Kunnert, B Lohaus, S Williams, B Hansen, R Lester, Uthoff, Rucker,D Nelson, Bullard, Mayfield, and i think M Wier all played in the NBA. That would be 7 since the late 80's. Not sure if you want to count players who were called up but didn't actualy get any minutes...could include D Marble.
 
I think Marble absolutley could have been a one and done player. Im not saying he was ready, but I would bet money he would have been drafted. He had a better resume as a prospect then Ricky Davis.
 
See how good my memory is: R Bowen, Freddy Brown, J Johnson, R Davis, AC Earl, R Evans, K Kunnert, B Lohaus, S Williams, B Hansen, R Lester, Uthoff, Rucker,D Nelson, Bullard, Mayfield, and i think M Wier all played in the NBA. That would be 7 since the late 80's. Not sure if you want to count players who were called up but didn't actualy get any minutes...could include D Marble.

Your memory is good but your sense of years is slipping. That's ok, so is mine. Keep posting, I really enjoy your thoughts.

Wait, I read it again....it's my sense of math that's slipping. :)
 
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Your memory is good but your sense of years is slipping. That's ok, so is mine. Keep posting, I really enjoy your thoughts.

Wait, I read it again....it's my sense of math that's slipping. :)
I am still try make sense of that post.
 
I thought Lute's wife was a big reason why he moved to Arizona. He also didn't like the Iowa City fishbowl and the biased officiating that he faced at Iowa.

Raveling was a great recruiter, but not much of a bench coach. I still am not sure how Iowa performed so poorly in his first year. Lute did not leave with the cupboard empty--Greg Stokes, Michael Payne, Brad Lohous, etc I think they were a preseason top 10 team, but didn't win a third of the conference games.
 
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I remember one game during the Raveling tenure which I thought was well-coached. George was home sick.
 
Couple other pretty good recruiting classes: Logan, Cain, Seaburg and Scheurman...and...Vindovic, Calabria, Jensen and Bergman. Joe transferred but would have been a huge addition to that team.
 
NEVER again will Iowa have a recruiting class like that 1985.

5 recruits in the class.

All 5 eventually played at least one season in the NBA.

Has Iowa even had 5 kids since then play in the NBA?

Since then...

Matt Bullard
Acie Earl
Ricky Davis
Guy Rucker
Ryan Bowen
Dean Oliver
Reggie Evans
Jared Reiner
Devyn Marble
Jarrod Uthoff
 
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Since then...

Matt Bullard
Acie Earl
Ricky Davis
Guy Rucker
Ryan Bowen
Dean Oliver
Reggie Evans
Jared Reiner
Devyn Marble
Jarrod Uthoff

More than I thought. 10 in the 30 years since 1987 vs. 5 from one class. Sad.

Who did Guy Rucker play with in the NBA and for how long?

Also, Marble & Oliver's NBA career was all of about 10 games?
 
Couple other pretty good recruiting classes: Logan, Cain, Seaburg and Scheurman...and...Vindovic, Calabria, Jensen and Bergman. Joe transferred but would have been a huge addition to that team.
Bergman was from my home town (Clinton). He was a terrific H.S. player but I respectfully disagree about him being a "huge addition" had he not transferred. He transferred in large part due to the fact that he was not going to see any playing time. Had a middling career thereafter at Creighton I believe.
 
More than I thought. 10 in the 30 years since 1987 vs. 5 from one class. Sad.

Who did Guy Rucker play with in the NBA and for how long?

Also, Marble & Oliver's NBA career was all of about 10 games?
Rucker played 3 games with Lakers. 0 points. Oliver played parts of 2 seasons with Warriors. Made about half a million.
 
I thought Lute's wife was a big reason why he moved to Arizona. He also didn't like the Iowa City fishbowl and the biased officiating that he faced at Iowa.

Bobbie, Lute's first wife who later died of cancer, didn't like Iowa winters or the fishbowl effect. One of Lute's first PG's, Cal Wulfsburg, who transferred in when Lute took the job, married one of his daughters, Vicki, and they moved out West and started a family. This made Bobbie feel even more isolated in Iowa and this was a large part of their taking the Arizona job. It is said that she really ruled the roost and when she told Lute to jump, his reaction was "How high?"
 
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Bergman was from my home town (Clinton). He was a terrific H.S. player but I respectfully disagree about him being a "huge addition" had he not transferred. He transferred in large part due to the fact that he was not going to see any playing time. Had a middling career thereafter at Creighton I believe.
Played with him in YMCA league for two summers and later. He transferred because he and Ralph did not get along. He got drafted after his senior year. Took medical school instead.
Bergman was from my home town (Clinton). He was a terrific H.S. player but I respectfully disagree about him being a "huge addition" had he not transferred. He transferred in large part due to the fact that he was not going to see any playing time. Had a middling career thereafter at Creighton I believe.
Played with Joe during summers on YMCA teams and aginst him duriing the school year. Admit we were friends so not completely unbiased. However, he was continually out playing Jensen while here and was good enough at Creighton to get drafted in the second round by Cinncinati.
 
Bobbie, Lute's first wife who later died of cancer, didn't like Iowa winters or the fishbowl effect. One of Lute's first PG's, Cal Wulfsburg, who transferred in when Lute took the job, married one of his daughters, Vicki, and they moved out West and started a family. This made Bobbie feel even more isolated in Iowa and this was a large part of their taking the Arizona job. It is said that she really ruled the roost and when she told Lute to jump, his reaction was "How high?"
It is also well known that Lute and Bobbi had an extremely close and loving relationship and both would do anything for the other. Cal's move west was not immediate and the divorce was not long after. Used to sit right behind Bobbi and her daughters at the old field house.
 
Tom Davis teams were the king of the "one and done" player. As in, played only 1 year of competitive college basketball, never to be seen again

Phil Chime
Marcelo Gomes
Rob Griffin
Antonio Ramos
Joe Fermino
John Carl Williams
 
I got to thinking today about the recruiting of George Raveling, which we all know was phenomenal. But I wanted to dive a little deeper, to take a look at each of his recruiting classes individually. My memory is pretty hazy, and the Internet did not exist in the mid-80s, so information is hard to come by. But below is what I came up with. I welcome any corrections.

1983 Class
(Raveling was hired in spring of '83, so many (most?) of these guys were likely inherited recruits from Lute Olsen. Few lasted with the team, so information is sketchy.)
- Dave Snedeker
- Kenny Fullard (Juco)
- Kent Hill
- Robert "Spider" Ursery
- Johnny Fort

1984 Class
- Jeff Moe
- Bill Jones
- Al Lorenzen
- Gerry Wright (transfer from USC)
- Michael Morgan
- Michael Reaves

1985 Class (wow!)
- BJ Armstrong
- Kevin Gamble (juco)
- Roy Marble
- Ed Horton
- Les Jepsen

1986 Class
(These players never played for Raveling at Iowa, but were signed when he left in the spring of '86)
- Mark Jewell
- Anthony Pendleton (followed Raveling to USC)

Am I missing anyone? Do I have anyone assigned to the wrong year?
Snedeker transferred to Providence, on the team Pitino took to the sweet 16 or so
Kent Hill looked like a tight end. I think Fort and Ursery were both Lute recruits.
Moe and Wright were also drafted (7 rounds back then) but Wright opted for the Marines. Bill Jones did get a 10 day contract with the Nets.
Horton was the jewel in that class, Marble was billed the "next Jordan" and BJ was kind of filler as a recruit especially because he looked twelve at the time.
I think Jewel transferred after a year with Davis.

George just missed out on JR Reid who played at NC and some big Smith guy that starred at Pitt in the late 80's

Many people didn't like George's "mouth" on the sidelines, since you could now hear a pin drop in CHA, and his leaving was more of a lifestyle thing.
 
Tom Davis teams were the king of the "one and done" player. As in, played only 1 year of competitive college basketball, never to be seen again

Phil Chime
Marcelo Gomes
Rob Griffin
Antonio Ramos
Joe Fermino
John Carl Williams
Griffin and Fermino were Alford recrutis, and Gomes was there at least 98 and 2000 seasons
 
Snedeker transferred to Providence, on the team Pitino took to the sweet 16 or so
Kent Hill looked like a tight end. I think Fort and Ursery were both Lute recruits.
Moe and Wright were also drafted (7 rounds back then) but Wright opted for the Marines. Bill Jones did get a 10 day contract with the Nets.
Horton was the jewel in that class, Marble was billed the "next Jordan" and BJ was kind of filler as a recruit especially because he looked twelve at the time.
I think Jewel transferred after a year with Davis.

George just missed out on JR Reid who played at NC and some big Smith guy that starred at Pitt in the late 80's

Many people didn't like George's "mouth" on the sidelines, since you could now hear a pin drop in CHA, and his leaving was more of a lifestyle thing.
Jones ended up spending about half a season with the Nets. Johnny Fort was a recruit of Lute's that I am not sure he was sold on. I believe iowa was also recruiting Tim McCalister the same time as Fort. One of the assistants thought they should focus on Fort. McCalister went to Oklahoma. When Lute saw McCalister play he was not happy they had passed on him. McCalister went on to be a complete stud at Oklahoma. Details are a little fuzzy but Lute was very upset about the situation.
 
Horton was the jewel in that class, Marble was billed the "next Jordan" and BJ was kind of filler as a recruit especially because he looked twelve at the time.

Also, it was said that we only signed Gamble (who was a Juco transfer) so we would have a chance at Horton. I believe the two were friends prior to college (even though Gamble was a couple years older.)
 
Also, it was said that we only signed Gamble (who was a Juco transfer) so we would have a chance at Horton. I believe the two were friends prior to college (even though Gamble was a couple years older.)
Played on the same HS team I think. If Im wrong Legend will let me know. lol.

I remember reading that Dr. Tom was starting Lohaus and Gamble and thinking Iowa screwed the pooch with his hire. haha.......boy...
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Also, it was said that we only signed Gamble (who was a Juco transfer) so we would have a chance at Horton. I believe the two were friends prior to college (even though Gamble was a couple years older.)

They played on same HS Team (Lanphier HS) Gamble a sr. when Eddie a soph, Gamble was the JUCO player of the year and not just recruited to lure Horton....... Gamble was very talented, as evidence of his long NBA Career.
 
They played on same HS Team (Lanphier HS) Gamble a sr. when Eddie a soph, Gamble was the JUCO player of the year and not just recruited to lure Horton....... Gamble was very talented, as evidence of his long NBA Career.
Same school as Andre Igoudala.
 
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