Notice no one responds. Do they agree in their silence, or approve and accept it?
RealClear Politics: Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.
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Notice no one responds. Do they agree in their silence, or approve and accept it?
It is fairly clear that you have no objective critical thinking skills. Is everything in your world that the other team is bad? The world is full of non good/fine people, they happen to vote for Republicans and Democrats. Trump is an idiot and should clearly denounce those that should be denounced. The outrage for one side is the opposite of critical thinking skills.
Do a little research. He did the EXACT same gesture several times during the primaries when making fun of Ted Cruz and others. Not saying it's acceptable...he's still a bully and a clown, but it's not a specific reference to the journalist.
no because nobody knew the torch dudes were even there until cnn started blowing it up. I doubt trump knew much about the whole torch situation. he thought it was people wanting statues torn down vs people who did not. the leftist media made up the whole neo Nazi thing and neglected to mention Antifa on the other side, so I doubt trump knew much about the neo Nazi leftist fantasy. there were like three or four different issues going on at once. the statues, the neo idiots, the Antifa crowd, a girl unfortunately getting killed, Richard spencer inventing stuff out of thin air, the governor McAuliffe who is a Clinton-head, getting a couple of cops killed as he swoops in like a white knight, to save the world from the made up fake garbage, made up by Richard spencer, who has ties to dems. then the whole mis -quote of trump. lots of stuff to unpack there. surprised biden even mentioned it.
Not saying I agree with him, he's a clown...just saying the media has its narrative, so it only reports on things that support said narrative.
Wrong. It was the media that has given them a huge boost. No entity has emboldened the racists on both sides more than the media.
He makes fun of people equally. And a person like this is president. We are in a world of shit.
This. I don't know why you guys think that this article written by a Trump guy is somehow is the definitive answer to this incident and clear Trump of anything. It's just more spin meant to soften the damage the words created. I mean, he admits its his job in the article:
As a man charged with publicly explaining Donald Trump’s often meandering and colloquial vernacular in highly adversarial TV settings, I appreciate more than most the sometimes-murky nature of his off-script commentaries.
well because real clear politics is always fair. I listen to their radio show and they try and balance it out with one dem per one repub on the show.
Most things the Republican Party has done for the last 21 years has been bad for America as a country and the majority of its population. The few times they have participated in something beneficial was because of Democratic leadership. Critical thinking is understanding that automatically thinking that "both parties are the same" is the exact opposite of critical thinking when the weight of evidence is clearly telling a different story.
So what does that mean? That this article by a Trump surrogate has merit? I am fairly certain you only could be persuaded by one side of this argument, and have a conspiracy theory for the side of the argument you can't accept.
They aren't propaganda, but the ratio of conservative to progressive reporting on their site is about 2 to 1. That could just be a reflection of the media in general, though. There are far more conservative sources than liberal. One thing Conservatives have been good at is creating a crap ton more media while at the same time convincing conservatives the opposite is true.
So I assume that people who hang with antifa and join them in protests are a-ok?
He rarely says anything "clearly" and there was absolutely nothing clear about his comments. This rally was organized by known white supremacists. Even if you didn't understand that, you should have been clued in when armed men carrying flags and signs with Nazi symbols showed up. Or maybe the KKK robes and flags. Or the anti-Semitic chants (wth would that have to do with a statue of Lee?). Anyone who hung around through all that has really lost the mantle of "fine person".
Well the russian rebel is in a way different time zone and northern is still out running laps around his septic pond.
I just did do some research and found there's all kinds of Fox news videos trying to debunk what he did. I hope you realize you're part of the problem.
I'm not buying the excuse from a proven liar. What he did after the reporter-mocking is immaterial and (hopefully) won't change rational minds.
If Trump didn't know many details about what was going on in Charlottesville, that makes his statement worse in my opinion. To make such a broad statement without knowing as many of the facts as possible is inexcusable as well.
If Trump had only done something like this once in awhile, this would be understandable for me. But it's not, he's done this on numerous other occasions, most notably publicly siding with Putin over his own intelligence agencies. In the past week, he's somehow managed to simultaneously hold up the Mueller Report as proof of vindication while bashing it at the same time.
I agree to an extent. he does make broad statements like "good people on both sides".... but that's what I love about him. he's a new Yorker. I used to live in NY. I liked him then and now. it' a NY thing. I do not think it's a bad thing at all. to make broad statements. especially when you are saying, "there are bad people, some good too. " he qualifies it.
So you think CNN, et al, will debunk their own lazy reporting? Look, I don't watch any of the mainstream media sources (to include Fox News)...why? It's NOT journalism...it's sensationalized propaganda BS. Trump isn't the Devil the left wants everyone to believe and he certainly isn't the savior the GOPers want (and claim) him to be either.
I pay attention to the economy; stock market, unemployment rates, job market, etc. So far, things are as they always have been--ebs and flows.
If folks want a true outsider (not the typical villainous, political, mud smearing schmuck-bags that the Dems and Reps are going to produce), then we need to look at Intelligent people like Andrew Yang. Until that happens, I'll just sit back and laugh at people losing their shit over the Orange Tweet Monster.
This. ^^ Trump says and does so many stupid things that he can be rightfully targeted on, I truly don't understand why some insist on also resorting to manufacturing and/or distorting other situations so as to then have fodder to gripe about him. That behavior then provides "cover" to those who only see Trump as being unfairly criticized.
On this subject, the record is pretty clear, yet some maintain the façade anyway.
Then you should give equal blame to Obama and his comments that caused cops in Dallas to get shot. Right?
I feel the same way...there's plenty to scoff at Hillary about, but somehow her laughing at a rape victim needs to be created? ...the list goes on.
no this means I have never been on their site but their radio show is real fair and 50-50. and I can guarantee... if I go over there and click on the site, I bet it's 50-50 and fair too. if there's a conservative article, I bet there's a lib one too. that's what I'm saying. I bet the site is fair too. I am not buying it's conservative leaning. conservative leaning stuff is getting banned left and right. it would be taken down by now.
That’s horseshit. Yes - he made fun of the disabled reporter. The entire narrative that’s how Trum talks is bullshit.
So, what you’re saying is that a group of people latched onto something Trump said, intentionally misinterpreting it so that they would feel emboldened by his remarks, furthering opinions that they already had. And perhaps using that wrong narrative as justification for acts or words that are otherwise inexcusable.
Huh.
Yes, Trump made fun of a disabled reporter, he didn't make fun of a reporter's disability. See the difference?
I can't believe you guys are making me defend that clown.
There was no misinterpreting his remarks. This was a white supremacist rally organized by white supremacists and attended by hundreds of white supremacists. They were carrying Nazi symbols. They were wearing KKK robes and carrying KKK flags. They were chanting anti-semitic slurs. They were giving Nazi salutes. Leading white supremacists like Richard Spencer and David Duke were openly scheduled to speak and lead the rally. This was NOT a "Save the Statue" rally no matter how much you want to make it so.
Would YOU march with that crowd?
Huh.
That depends on what issue they are talking about, but fair enough.
this is correct, he was talking about the issue of ripping statues down. not racists. statues. unless you think statues can be racist.
Does it matter? The guy was running for freaking President of the United States. He is now President of the United States! Neither explanation is good or fitting for the office.
This is nonsense. His jesters and contortions were to make fun of the reporter; hence why he started the contortions when he started talking about him. Then he proceeded to lie to cover up his asshatery by saying he never met the guy that covered him for 7 years.
do you ever listen to their radio show? it's very fair and the host has like two dems and two repubbers. he brings up issues of the week. like , it's on sunday nite so all week long, the issues. this week it will be biden announcing. so he will get two dems talking about biden and two repubs. then talk about trump's reaction. same thing: two dems comments and two repubbers. It is fair. on every issue. I have not heard a radio show so fair and balanced.
It simply illustrates the point that there really is no unbiased research in today's journalism...people just run with whatever suits the narrative, then re-run, re-run, re-run. It's not just w/ regards to Trump. It's simply common practice these days. ...guilty until proven innocent.
I disagree. And I'm okay with that.
The discussion doesn't change the fact I didn't vote for him and won't be next go either.
I’m not trying to change what the rally was or wasn’t, I’m speaking STRICTLY about Trump’s remarks, which were pretty clear, coming from someone that goes off on otherwise unintelligible streams of consciousness.
And no, I wouldn’t march with that crowd. Have I given any indication that I would?
Richard spencer took about 9 guys with torches and blew it up for CNN to make a show out of it. period.
While I won't agree that there is no unbiased research today (although I think that's a term that could use clarification), I agree with your main point here.
Why would you not march with that crowd? According to Trump, some "very fine people" did. You keep saying his remarks were misinterpreted. He claimed some "very fine people" marched with that group that you just refused to march with.
