RFK hearing day - So do we want transparency and accountability?

[naturalbornhawk]

I’m all for looking into big pharma, vaccines, health programs and such. I just don’t want this weirdo leading it up. He is mentally ill.

From someone who's been following this for almost 18 years now, I'll tell you nobody knows their stuff quite like RFK. He has the legal experience standing up to corporate interests, has zero financial ties to industry, has been following vaccines and environmental contaminants long before I started, despite what many people will admit he actually does understand the current body of, and knows how to read the science, has spent countless hours with the vaccine injured and their families, and thus has a drive to get to the bottom of the truth. Who else can check even half these boxes?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Polymarket has RFK @ 77%.

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[mnole03]

His hearing was a disaster. The guy’s a straight up liar and crazy person. The defense of RFK Jr. seems to be that Senators took money from pharmaceutical companies. That’s not really a defense at all.

He promoted the chem trail conspiracy and people want to put him in charge of vaccination policy.

 

[win1forthe]

From someone who's been following this for almost 18 years now, I'll tell you nobody knows their stuff quite like RFK. He has the legal experience standing up to corporate interests, has zero financial ties to industry, has been following vaccines and environmental contaminants long before I started, despite what many people will admit he actually does understand the current body of, and knows how to read the science, has spent countless hours with the vaccine injured and their families, and thus has a drive to get to the bottom of the truth. Who else can check even half these boxes?

Who else can check these boxes? I don’t know but we should try to find someone, and I bet we would find plenty of people. And I’m guessing they wouldn’t be mentally ill.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

The guy’s a straight up liar and crazy person.

What exactly did he lie about?

 

[mnole03]

What exactly did he lie about?

Half of the statements read into the record he denied making.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Who else can check these boxes? I don’t know but we should try to find someone, and I bet we would find plenty of people. And I’m guessing they wouldn’t be mentally ill.

Why exactly do you say he's mentally ill?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Half of the statements read into the record he denied making.

He had a pretty good explanation for each of his statements they brought up. If anything his statements were taken out of context or misrepresented.

 

[Champ_Kind_whammy]

Or are we cool with the current state of health and our healthcare in America?

Today you'll find out if the American people are going to get accountability and transparency out of our healthcare agencies.....or it's going to be BAU with corrupt money-driven, self-interested decision making like this:

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There are certain people that trigger the extinctionists. Kennedy is at the top of that list.
2) Hegseth, because they want an army filled with limpwrists who couldn't defeat Grenada.
3) Tulsi, because a woman of color who left them for the party that fought against slavery is the ultimate fact-check they can't abide.

 

[bcherod]

In either case what are these massive premiums RFK was talking about for Medicaid, I find nothing.

RFK jr confused Medicare and Medicaid.

Insurance companies have gotten involved and they try to get you sign up for things you don’t need. And yes they charge premiums.

 

[Tenacious E]

I am not wading through this thread but I wanted to commend Warren for not letting him evade her questions. Need more people with her character and intelligence, even if I disagree with aspects of her platform.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

I am not wading through this thread but I wanted to commend Warren for not letting him evade her questions. Need more people with her character and intelligence, even if I disagree with aspects of her platform.

She was acting as an attack dog for an industry that paid her over $800,000 last election cycle (second only to the great anti-capitalist Bernie Sanders, who accepted $1.4 million in donations).

 

[Scruddy]

 

[Scruddy]

 

[Scruddy]

This is absolutely unacceptable.

 

[bunsen82]

He had a pretty good explanation for each of his statements they brought up. If anything his statements were taken out of context or misrepresented.

You are in full on denial mode if you don’t acknowledge he was woefully unprepared for the Medicaid question. Using a Medicare canned response. He doesn’t understand the basic payment systems for healthcare.

 

[bunsen82]

Polymarket has RFK @ 77%.

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Down to 76

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Down to 76

Thanks for the update.

 

[hexumhawk]

Sure, just put in someone who has hit drugs (illegal) hard in his life, admittedly so, is not really that smart, and had over 50 mistresses during his first marriage that caused his wife to commit suicide. Put some one in better than this idiot. Besides he will question none of this, just try to destroy the system.

The system is bought and paid for senators that will do anything to keep the pharma train rolling. That is the real reason you are seeing the vitriol from certain senators. Go check their campaign donations from those companies, and that is just the money that is recorded and not the off the books cash.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industr...e=All&ind=H04&mem=Y&recipdetail=S&sortorder=A

 

[bunsen82]

The system is bought and paid for senators that will do anything to keep the pharma train rolling. That is the real reason you are seeing the vitriol from certain senators. Go check their campaign donations from those companies, and that is just the money that is recorded and not the off the books cash.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industr...e=All&ind=H04&mem=Y&recipdetail=S&sortorder=A

You are really saying its all based on campaign money, and nothing about his past history, get a grip.

 

[hexumhawk]

You are really saying its all based on campaign money, and nothing about his past history, get a grip.

I don't think you understand the grip that big pharma has on our system and society.

To quote Ned Beatty from Back to School- "I don't think you understand the actual amounts involved here."

 

[goldmom]

From someone who's been following this for almost 18 years now, I'll tell you nobody knows their stuff quite like RFK. He has the legal experience standing up to corporate interests, has zero financial ties to industry, has been following vaccines and environmental contaminants long before I started, despite what many people will admit he actually does understand the current body of, and knows how to read the science, has spent countless hours with the vaccine injured and their families, and thus has a drive to get to the bottom of the truth. Who else can check even half these boxes?

So Senator Warren - no stranger to torts herself or a revenue stream they can create - asked him if he will sever his ties with the lawyers pursuing efforts against “Big Pharma” and she did get him to admit he would NOT sever those relationships.
This is an enormous red flag that should cause enormous pause among the Committee members.
He’s gotten about $2.5 million dollars- even more than the Senators listed above.
If nothing else this has pulled back the curtain on an open and dirty secret,

 

[MichaelKeller99]

The system is bought and paid for senators that will do anything to keep the pharma train rolling. That is the real reason you are seeing the vitriol from certain senators. Go check their campaign donations from those companies, and that is just the money that is recorded and not the off the books cash.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industr...e=All&ind=H04&mem=Y&recipdetail=S&sortorder=A

I had to laugh watching that circus yesterday.

These clowns all admitting the healthcare system is broke and demanding answers from Kennedy on how he plans on 'fixing' it.

All the while they are the very authors and architects of the broken healthcare debacle and the 36 trillion dollar debt that is backing that system up.

Freaking hypocrites.

 

[hexumhawk]

I had to laugh watching that circus yesterday.

These clowns all admitting the healthcare system is broke and demanding answers from Kennedy on how he plans on 'fixing' it.

All the while they are the very authors and architects of the broken healthcare debacle and the 36 trillion dollar debt that is backing that system up.

Freaking hypocrites.

Agree

You can dislike RFKJ and think he is not qualified and that is fine if that is your position. We are sitting here watching a group of senators defend a system that we all know isn't working and needs reformed.

 

[bunsen82]

I don't think you understand the grip that big pharma has on our system and society.

To quote Ned Beatty from Back to School- "I don't think you understand the actual amounts involved here."

Big Pharma, Big money blah blah blah. RFK doesn't know the difference between Medicaid and Medicare. To put it in plain terms he doesn't know 1st or 2nd grade math of simple addition in comparison of the department he will be taking over.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I see you are still pushing that stupid study.

Anatomy of a Failure: Why This Latest Vaccine-Autism Paper is Dead Wrong

A methodological autopsy of flawed research that contradicts decades of rigorous evidence

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This is at the very beginning of the study critique you posted:

"STUDY CLAIM

Claims that vaccinated children in Florida Medicaid program (1999-2011) had significantly higher rates of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs) including autism, and that more vaccination visits correlated with higher autism risk.

Note: This conflicts with decades of rigorous analysis of millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between vaccines and autism."

Well I'm still waiting for your studies outside of MMR and thimerosal as part of those "millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between VACCINES and autism."

I mean if you have any meaningful data at all, surely you also have a robust set of data points outside of just that one vaccine and just that one ingredient, right? After all, there are several more vaccines and several more ingredients on the schedule. It's time to pony up or shut up.

If you or anyone else can't provide, that means your BS critique is lying.

 

[bunsen82]

This is at the very beginning of the study critique you posted:

"STUDY CLAIM

Claims that vaccinated children in Florida Medicaid program (1999-2011) had significantly higher rates of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs) including autism, and that more vaccination visits correlated with higher autism risk.

Note: This conflicts with decades of rigorous analysis of millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between vaccines and autism."

Well I'm still waiting for your studies outside of MMR and thimerosal as part of those "millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between VACCINES and autism."

I mean if you have any meaningful data at all, surely you also have a robust set of data points outside of just that one vaccine and just that one ingredient, right? After all, there are several more vaccines and several more ingredients on the schedule. It's time to pony up or shut up.

If you or anyone else can't provide, that means your BS critique is lying.

So lets just clarify, You admit MMR has been thoroughly tested, and you admit that vaccine does not cause autism. That looked at 537,000 children in Denmark.

Ultimately all vaccines are very similar in their make up and method. Yes slight changes but not much. So to make a giant leap that other vaccines are the cause after its well established MMR doesn't cause it . . . is quite a leap. FYI the DTP vaccine has been given for a much longer time period, and thus is not considered to be a cause of increased autism that didn't occur til the 90's which we will discuss later.

"The risk of autism in the group of vaccinated children was the same as that in unvaccinated children. Furthermore, there was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autism."

If we want to look at Denmark, MMR started in 1987. The DTP vaccine began in 1967 administration, then was updated in 1993 to add the HIb vaccine. In 1994 the diagnosis criteria changed on autism symptoms and diagnosis. Suddenly in 1995 the autism diagnosis began to increase. This isn't difficult.

The difference between Denmark and US in Vaccines are the following: RSV, Rotavirus, Varicella, Hep B, and Hep A.

If those are your concerns, do a damn study. Go have fun.

 

[Rifler]

So Senator Warren - no stranger to torts herself or a revenue stream they can create - asked him if he will sever his ties with the lawyers pursuing efforts against “Big Pharma” and she did get him to admit he would NOT sever those relationships.
This is an enormous red flag that should cause enormous pause among the Committee members.
He’s gotten about $2.5 million dollars- even more than the Senators listed above.
If nothing else this has pulled back the curtain on an open and dirty secret,

To be fair, I believe what RFK said was that he would not promise to not sue pharmaceutical companies...

 

[goldmom]

To be fair, I believe what RFK said was that he would not promise to not sue pharmaceutical companies...

TBH he didn’t expressly disavow ongoing relationships with tort lawyers either.

 

[Tom Paris]

He had a pretty good explanation for each of his statements they brought up. If anything his statements were taken out of context or misrepresented.

Well aren't you a top of the class gaslighter!

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You admit MMR has been thoroughly tested

Absolutely not, those thimerosal/MMR studies are fraudulent with their own design flaws and conflicts of interest. Several critiques have been written about them, erased or unsearchable on google as of several years ago, which is a whole other problem.

Ultimately all vaccines are very similar in their make up and method. Yes slight changes but not much.

That's not even remotely true. Come on bunsen you've got to be better than that.

FYI the DTP vaccine has been given for a much longer time period, and thus is not considered to be a cause of increased autism

The 2012 IOM report found no evidence either for or against a causal relationship with autism for DTaP specifically. Again, no studies testing synergistic effects either. Why would the IOM waste time looking for studies, or come to that conclusion if it was not even possible?

"The risk of autism in the group of vaccinated children was the same as that in unvaccinated children. Furthermore, there was no association between the age at the time of vaccination, the time since vaccination, or the date of vaccination and the development of autism."

That's out of the blue....what's that from?

If those are your concerns, do a damn study. Go have fun.

Yep, so I was right once again, you have ZERO data points for the other vaccines or the other ingredients. Your position has fallen apart.
No studies on the other vaccines, no studies on the other ingredients. No studies on the combinations of any of them (synergistic effects).

So don't tell me this statement "Note: This conflicts with decades of rigorous analysis of millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between vaccines and autism." is not extremely misleading. It is more or less meaningless. Clearly they would have to study the schedule in order to know whether or not the childhood schedule is causing autism.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Well aren't you a top of the class gaslighter!

I was simply stating what I saw.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

So Senator Warren - no stranger to torts herself or a revenue stream they can create - asked him if he will sever his ties with the lawyers pursuing efforts against “Big Pharma” and she did get him to admit he would NOT sever those relationships.
This is an enormous red flag that should cause enormous pause among the Committee members.
He’s gotten about $2.5 million dollars- even more than the Senators listed above.
If nothing else this has pulled back the curtain on an open and dirty secret,

Did Senator Crapo not address your concerns here? He's fully compliant with all Office of Government Ethics requirements. Same requirements assessed to all past HHS Secretaries I would assume, right?

 

[jneffer]

She was acting as an attack dog for an industry that paid her over $800,000 last election cycle (second only to the great anti-capitalist Bernie Sanders, who accepted $1.4 million in donations).

what did trump do for the $1.6 million he got from that industry in 2023-2024?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2024&ind=H04

 

[Tom Paris]

I was simply stating what I saw.

 

[MichaelKeller99]

what did trump do for the $1.6 million he got from that industry in 2023-2024?

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2024&ind=H04

Operation Warp Speed and the Trump vaccine?

Pfizer made like $80 billion.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Operation Warp Speed and the Trump vaccine?

Pfizer made like $80 billion.

They saved millions of lives. Good for them.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

This is at the very beginning of the study critique you posted:

"STUDY CLAIM

Claims that vaccinated children in Florida Medicaid program (1999-2011) had significantly higher rates of neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs) including autism, and that more vaccination visits correlated with higher autism risk.

Note: This conflicts with decades of rigorous analysis of millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between vaccines and autism."

Well I'm still waiting for your studies outside of MMR and thimerosal as part of those "millions of data points that show absolutely zero link between VACCINES and autism."

I mean if you have any meaningful data at all, surely you also have a robust set of data points outside of just that one vaccine and just that one ingredient, right? After all, there are several more vaccines and several more ingredients on the schedule. It's time to pony up or shut up.

If you or anyone else can't provide, that means your BS critique is lying.

In light of this^ can everyone see that Sen Cassidy and other senators are misinformed? What these people don't understand is the safety science is terribly inadequate.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Thank you Rand Paul.