RFK hearing day - So do we want transparency and accountability?

[Jimmy McGill]

I have read that an enormous amount of Medicaid spending goes to treatment of chronic diseases like diabetes and obesity related conditions.
You’re correct about infant mortality back in the day, but while that has improved dramatically we now have about a third of the country classified as obese.

US Has Highest Infant, Maternal Mortality Rates Despite the Most Health Care Spending

The United States possesses the highest infant and maternal mortality rates compared with any other high-income country, even though it spends the most on health care.

www.ajmc.com

 

[bunsen82]

From the 'greatly misinformed and uneducated' folks at Medicaid.gov:

States have the option to charge premiums and to establish out of pocket spending (cost sharing) requirements for Medicaid enrollees. Out of pocket costs may include copayments, coinsurance, deductibles, and other similar charges. Maximum out of pocket costs are limited, but states can impose higher charges for targeted groups of somewhat higher income people.

Well in Iowa it doesn’t. It is a $1 co pay for some drugs. In general the costs are minimal as you posted above. If you can’t handle a $1 you got bigger issues.

 

[seminole97]

Well in Iowa it doesn’t. It is a $1 co pay for some drugs. In general the costs are minimal as you posted above. If you can’t handle a $1 you got bigger issues.

There's an underlying issue behind most poverty.

 

[bunsen82]

Maybe soon you'll be the one in the minority.

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Pretty sure that will be a negative, might get larger until another virus comes along an vaccine hesitation causes a thinning of the herd. The strong/smart survive.

 

[bunsen82]

There's an underlying issue behind most poverty.

In either case what are these massive premiums RFK was talking about for Medicaid, I find nothing.

 

[bunsen82]

RFK Jr. Completely Fumbles Basic Facts at Hearing

Some of the aspiring health secretary’s answers suggested he may not fully understand how Medicaid works.

www.thedailybeast.com

Guess I wasn’t the only one Seminole.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Why is this stupid thread continuing? Post 147 ended it

 

[uihawk82]

At the very least, she has a financial vested interest in doing what she did, that's what I mean.

Please tell me exactly what her financial vested interest is?

 

[bunsen82]

The biggest issue here is that much of the science that is needed to adequately indicate safety simply doesn't exist. I'd be happy to expand on that, or you can just read through the other thread. That was my initial claim, then you jumped to autism, which is fine but that claim wasn't specifically focusing on autism.
Since you brought up autism though, this publication just came out that we were talking about in another thread:

Vaccination and Neurodevelopmental Disorders: A Study of Nine-Year-Old Children Enrolled in Medicaid - Science, Public Health Policy and the Law

Background: Vaccinations required for school attendance have increased nearly threefold since the 1950s, now targeting 17 infectious diseases. However, the

publichealthpolicyjournal.com

No it's really not, particularly if you have kids of your own. I wouldn't just blindly trust given how obviously corrupt the pharma industry has become. You should have learned your lesson during COVID that you can't just blindly trust the health authorities / regulatory institutions but I guess you missed that 4 year-long lesson.

See above, and I have (and others) have posted many, many more studies that support my position.

I see you are still pushing that stupid study.

Anatomy of a Failure: Why This Latest Vaccine-Autism Paper is Dead Wrong

A methodological autopsy of flawed research that contradicts decades of rigorous evidence

theunbiasedscipod.substack.com

 

[naturalbornhawk]

He looks and sounds really healthy.

Are you talking about this guy?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Please tell me exactly what her financial vested interest is?

Did you even watch the vid in the OP?

 

[bunsen82]

Are you talking about this guy?

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Have you heard him talk?

 

[thewop]

I'd be happy if just once one of my senators could speak up without making a total ass of themselves...so much for that...again

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I see you are still pushing that stupid study.

Anatomy of a Failure: Why This Latest Vaccine-Autism Paper is Dead Wrong

A methodological autopsy of flawed research that contradicts decades of rigorous evidence

theunbiasedscipod.substack.com

"Despite....contradicting decades of rigorous research showing no link between vaccines and autism"

That statement is false. It's anything but rigorous.

Decades of poorly designed fraudulent BS claiming to be settled science is more like it. Once again bunsen, they only studied one vaccine (MMR) and one ingredient (thimerosal) "rigorously", and even that research is flawed. None of the control groups in those studies were completely unvaxxed and none of the test groups in those studies were completely vaxxed, just for starters. The kids in the control group were almost fully vaxxed, in fact. Go see for yourself if there are studies on injected aluminum indicating safety. The science that does exist indicates problems. If you ask for studies that indicate safety here, you'll get either MMR, thimerosal, or a combo of both. Last time I checked there are more ingredients and more vaccines on the schedule.

Then you have the clinical trials for the scheduled vaccines. They are ultra short-term, low powered, and do not use and inert placebo.

It's pointless to argue this stuff right now in a separate thread from the 100 other threads that have already gone over this so many times. Soon (hopefully) we'll all be able to look at the data from the VSD (millions of kids), completely vaxxed vs. completely unvaxxed and we'll see what that data looks like. How about we wait for that data, then come back to this and see who was right?

Anyone who's looked into it can understand the current safety science is terrible. Sorry but anyone who thinks the science is settled on vaccine safety is either lying or has no clue what their talking about and hasn't looked into it for themselves.

 

[bunsen82]

"Despite....contradicting decades of rigorous research showing no link between vaccines and autism"

That statement is false. It's anything but rigorous.

Decades of poorly designed fraudulent BS claiming to be settled science is more like it. Once again bunsen, they only studied one vaccine (MMR) and one ingredient (thimerosal) "rigorously", and even that research is flawed. None of the control groups in those studies were completely unvaxxed and none of the test groups in those studies were completely vaxxed, just for starters. The kids in the control group were almost fully vaxxed, in fact. Go see for yourself if there are studies on injected aluminum indicating safety. The science that does exist indicates problems. If you ask for studies that indicate safety here, you'll get either MMR, thimerosal, or a combo of both. Last time I checked there are more ingredients and more vaccines on the schedule.

Then you have the clinical trials for the scheduled vaccines. They are ultra short-term, low powered, and do not use and inert placebo.

It's pointless to argue this stuff right now in a separate thread from the 100 other threads that have already gone over this so many times. Soon (hopefully) we'll all be able to look at the data from the VSD (millions of kids), completely vaxxed vs. completely unvaxxed and we'll see what that data looks like. How about we wait for that data, then come back to this and see who was right?

Anyone who's looked into it can understand the current safety science is terrible. Sorry but anyone who thinks the science is settled on vaccine safety is either lying or has no clue what their talking about and hasn't looked into it for themselves.

You claiming studies are poorly designed is rich.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You claiming studies are poorly designed is rich.

Well shit bud, prove me wrong! Something Joe or Tarheel or anyone else here in this forum have never been able to do!

 

[Bulldogs1974]

You are asking the wrong question. What would the expectancy be if a more healthy approach were used.

M and M's for everyone!

it would be based off the genetics in our gene pool, not the homogenous peoples of okinawa or norway. Yes there are some common sense things we could eliminate but who likes regulation.....

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You claiming studies are poorly designed is rich.

You go get your bountiful non-thimerosal, and non-MMR studies indicating vaccine SAFETY and post them here.

 

[bunsen82]

Well shit bud, prove me wrong! Something Joe or Tarheel or anyone else here in this forum have never been able to do!

We have, you just ignore it.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Are you talking about this guy?

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RFK Jr has shot himself up with more hormones (among other things) than Levine or any of the trans children Republicans pretend to care about have.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You claiming studies are poorly designed is rich.

The CDC was already FOIA'd about this. They were asked to provide any studies of any vaccines given in the first 6 months of life they relied upon to say that vaccines don't cause autism. They could not provide one study that even matched what the request asked for!

 

[naturalbornhawk]

We have you just ignore it.

Are you Joe? No, you haven't. That is a complete and total lie.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Yes.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

 

[naturalbornhawk]

We have you just ignore it.

I'll just wait here, k?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

 

[MichaelKeller99]

Well shit bud, prove me wrong! Something Joe or Tarheel or anyone else here in this forum have never been able to do!

Unfortunately, Joe from Joes Place has been absent for over two weeks now or he would have put you in your place, Cletus.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Is there a common theme here? Sheesh.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Unfortunately, Joe from Joes Place has been absent for over two weeks now or he would have put you in your place, Cletus.

LOL, by saying he already posted those studies. When he never did 🤣

Maybe he left because he thinks he's about to be proven wrong after all these years.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

 

[Morrison71]

I'm willing to listen to what RFK has to say,.. With so much hatred being displayed towards him he might have value.

This posts shows zero critical thinking skills. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

We have you just ignore it.

Here's what I was referring to. Should be very telling to anyone with a brain:

CDC Fails to Produce to Support its Claim that Vaccines Given During the First Six Months of Life “Do Not Cause Autism” - ICAN - Informed Consent Action Network

In a federal lawsuit filed by the non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), the Center for Disease Control (CDC) has failed to produce scientific studies that back up its long-declared assertion that vaccines given to babies in the first six months of life do not cause autism.

icandecide.org

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Sanders, Warren, and Warnock. Who else? Is it starting to become obvious to people now?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Awwwwww yeahhhhhh. You knew this little POS was in on it too. Everyone getting the picture now?

 

[Speedway1]

We don't want loony conspiracy theorists having a say in our health and human services policies.

He knows much more than Becerra. Who knew nothing about the job at all. But thats different right?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Yep.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Add another to the pile.

 

[win1forthe]

I’m all for looking into big pharma, vaccines, health programs and such. I just don’t want this weirdo leading it up. He is mentally ill.

 

[redghost1974]

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Far too many people like these bums in congress

If only the Supreme Court had a chance at fixing campaign finance reform....

 

[naturalbornhawk]