RFK JR is on Rogan today if you want to check out his brand of crazy
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Here's a nice segment on this Paul Offit/Aaron Siri debate about how none of the childhood vaccines have been tested against an inert placebo in their clinical trials. Starts @ 27:00.
You don't need placebo controls anymore; you've got decades of data to compare to for adverse events.
Twitter posts are not "citations", Cletus.So there were citations?
Just wow.
Stanley Plotkin disagrees with you, for starters. Why did Paul Offit bother to bring up and lie on that point then?
In addition, are you talking about VAERS? I thought we weren't supposed to trust VAERS.
You don't think they're needed because it's a damning point to ensuring vaccine safety. Just ridiculous Joe. That's a new low for you.
It wasn't twitter posts that I was referring to, as I already told you. SCROLL DOWN.
Newsflash: we DO NOT leave children "unvaccinated" as "controls" anymore.
They compare NEW vaccines with PREVIOUS SAFE vaccines as the controls. Placebos are not required in Phase III testing.
It's Twitter posts.
If your buddy has any scruples. PUBLISH HIS WORK. Send it, and his references to a medical journal for review.
None of the original vaccines were never tested against inert placebos either, meaning a true inert placebo baseline was never established.
Their poorly designed, short duration, low power, no inert placebo clinical trials were just as bad as the newer ones, leaving the true safety unknown. Then you go adding vaccine after vaccine after vaccine, of course never tested for possible synergistic issues. What a scam. No wonder why the experts at the WHO were calling for better safety science because they were losing the front line doctors who themselves are questioning their safety.
AGAIN: It is medical malpractice to allow kids to go unvaccinated from diseases that can cause them serious harm.
Go read some actual literature on this topic. Not RFK nonsense.
So I guess with that you concede to the placebo issue with the clinical trials then. That statement doesn't make sense until you provide evidence of the extent to which the products themselves are causing harm.
This one was Siri, not RFK btw. It's just one component of the issues that RFK acknowledges that need correction.
No; there are MANY instances where placebos are not appropriate.
We don't test parachutes with fake backpacks as "placebos", either.
The entire childhood vaccine schedule is not an appropriate application for this.
Incentives. Maybe you wouldn't feel the need to incentivize if you had such true, intrinsic support for such things.
Maybe Anthem didn't want to deal with the consequences of sick children, and sicker adults exposed to them.
Yes; they do. Not 100%. But they most certainly SLOW it.
If the vaccine schedule was indeed tested against inert placebos, there's little doubt you'd include that in your case for vaccine safety, as Offit was trying to do.
Otherwise if it doesn't matter, why is Offit attempting to use it as evidence of safety? It matters, and clearly it's a crucial part of determining safety.
Offit is a liar, just like you Joe! Bet he wishes he had never brought it up.
Again: placebos are not necessary for evaluation of medical devices or drugs in most cases nowadays.
Comparison to "standard of care" is.
We do not evaluate "heart defibrillators" against "placebos".
If it was vaccines, you'd see differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
No one has that data.
And in that data, you'd see LOTS more dead people in the unvaccinated group due to Covid.
The problem with that is the "standard of care", or original baseline was never properly established.
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And people (Republicans) think this person is a viable presidential candidate. Wow
"No one has that data". Correct. I'm not saying it is the vaccines, I'm saying it could be the vaccines. You're saying it's not the vaccines, without evidence.
You're stuck in the benefit side of the cost/benefit analysis. We're talking properly establishing safety.
Well, it could be the vaccines though, it would make a lot of sense. Something is causing it, what else is it? Edward Dowd points out that the timing of the initial onset matches the vaccine rollout, not COVID, and the numbers have gotten worse.
No; I'm talking about the LACK OF SAFETY of "placebos" for kids who will be unvaccinated and susceptible to serious diseases.
You listen to far too many quacks on Youtube, etc. Go read some medical review articles on vaccines and vaccine safety. Read what university professionals/scientists say. Educate yourself with the work of actual medical/science professionals.
No; it would not.
Sequelae from the virus are well known and becoming widely understood.
More Than 3,500 Americans Have Died from Long COVID-Related Illness in the First 30 Months of the Pandemic
National Center for Health Statistics
www.cdc.gov
You're full of it Joe, now you're talking nonsense. You know the importance of establishing a proper baseline using inert placebos. You won't acknowledge it because the entire schedule skipped that part.
Offit acknowledged the importance, and felt the need to cover it and lie about it and he got burned.
