RFK JR is on Rogan today if you want to check out his brand of crazy

[naturalbornhawk]

We’ve never “discussed” this that I recall. You always ignore me. You don’t realize that 99.95% of the medical community doesn’t agree with you on vaccines?

I didn't say I discussed it with you, I said it was discussed.

Apparently the 99 or 95+% is from a survey with what, ~150 participants? The questions put forth here in our discussion were - was it truly anonymous, did the participants feel there was no way it wasn't anonymous, if you weren't on board with it would you feel that you could be truthful in the climate surrounding COVID, if you weren't on board would you participate in that survey at all? What happens to MDs who decide to speak out against it? Could you end up losing your job? You've got your reputation and your family to think about. Let's be real about this, that %age is stupid high given the controversy that was surrounding vaccines at that time. You go ahead and believe that number if you want if it makes you feel better. I don't trust it and at the end of the day, even if that percentage was correct it would still be meaningless for me as how many times in history was the consensus wrong about the truth? It's happened. A lot. Sorry I'm not staking me and my family's health on some dummy's hunch on the safety of a fast-tracked experimental invasive medical procedure.

I was concerned about the safety, and I was right to be.

 

[ironside1]

I didn't say I discussed it with you, I said it was discussed.

Apparently the 99 or 95+% is from a survey with what, ~150 participants? The questions put forth here in our discussion were - was it truly anonymous, did the participants feel there was no way it wasn't anonymous, if you weren't on board with it would you feel that you could be truthful in the climate surrounding COVID, if you weren't on board would you participate in that survey at all? What happens to MDs who decide to speak out against it? Could you end up losing your job? You've got your reputation and your family to think about. Let's be real about this, that %age is stupid high given the controversy that was surrounding vaccines at that time. You go ahead and believe that number if you want if it makes you feel better. I don't trust it and at the end of the day, even if that percentage was correct it would still be meaningless for me as how many times in history was the consensus wrong about the truth? It's happened. A lot. Sorry I'm not staking me and my family's health on some other dipshit's hunch on the safety of a fast-tracked experimental invasive medical procedure.

I was concerned about the safety, and I was right to be.

Hope Darwin doesn’t come for you.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Hope Darwin doesn’t come for you.

Me? I'm the one who didn't fall for the fast-tracked experimental invasive medical procedure, remember? I'm good.

 

[ironside1]

Me? I'm the one who didn't fall for the fast-tracked experimental invasive medical procedure, remember? I'm good.

Well, I got the jab and I’m still alive. Just to be clear, I’m talking about all vaccines.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

I got the jab and I’m still alive.

Many people aren't.

 

[ironside1]

Many people aren't.

Because of the jab?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Because of the jab?

Yes.

 

[ironside1]

Yes.

How many?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

How many?

Well I suppose that's the big question at this point isn't it?

 

[ironside1]

Well I suppose that's the big question at this point isn't it?

So you don’t know?

 

[Joes Place]

So you don’t know?

Meanwhile....it's around 1.2M Americans who are dead because they DIDN'T get a vaccine... 👀

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Meanwhile....it's around 1.2M Americans who are dead because they DIDN'T get a vaccine... 👀

So you're just going to take those already inflated numbers, add nearly 800,000 for no apparent reason, try to cover yourself with the word "around", and then just assume all of them didn't vaccinate? Maybe we should include age in the discussion, too?

Nobody wants to talk about those that reportedly died from the vaccines, and those all-cause mortality numbers that the insurance companies and Edward Dowd are reporting?

 

[ironside1]

So you're just going to take those already inflated numbers, add nearly 800,000 for no apparent reason, try to cover yourself with the word "around", and then just assume all of them didn't vaccinate? Maybe we should include age in the discussion, too?

Nobody wants to talk about those that reportedly died from the vaccines, and those all-cause mortality numbers that the insurance companies and Edward Dowd are reporting?

You don’t even know how many have died from the vaccine.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

So you don’t know?

For some reason they don't really seem like they care about keeping track of those numbers. Inflate the vaccination positives and deflate the negatives. It's what they (and you guys) do.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You don’t even know how many have died from the vaccine.

Joe says we can't trust VAERS. I would absolutely agree with him to an extent, especially since they reportedly make it a challenge to report and discourage provider reporting to that database.

 

[ironside1]

For some reason they don't really seem like they care about keeping track of those numbers. Inflate the vaccination positives and deflate the negatives. It's what they (and you guys) do.

Maybe the real results are in Area 51 or with Bigfoot? Maybe Bigfoot has them?

 

[LBoogie28]

‘Autism was never under diagnosed.’

Also

‘Deaths from the jab are misdiagnosed/underreported.’

Both from the same poster. It’s brilliant.

 

[Joes Place]

So you're just going to take those already inflated numbers, add nearly 800,000 for no apparent reason

COVID Live Update: 142,696,001 Cases and 3,043,015 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Says the US is within 30k of 1.2M

And we are almost certainly past that by now with unconfirmed deaths/cases.

 

[Joes Place]

Joe says we can't trust VAERS.

You believe the guy who says the vaccine "turned me into the Hulk"...???

 

[Joes Place]

Nobody wants to talk about those that reportedly died from the vaccines

Where's the data?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Where's the data?

Shit. Just like your data on "Meanwhile....it's around 1.2M Americans who are dead because they DIDN'T get a vaccine.."

 

[naturalbornhawk]

You believe the guy who says the vaccine "turned me into the Hulk"...???

I said I agreed with you about VAERS not being as reliable as you'd like, what more do you want?

 

[naturalbornhawk]

COVID Live Update: 142,696,001 Cases and 3,043,015 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Says the US is within 30k of 1.2M

And we are almost certainly past that by now with unconfirmed deaths/cases.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

United States of America: WHO Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Dashboard With Vaccination Data

United States of America Coronavirus(COVID-19) statistics. Total and daily confirmed cases and deaths.

covid19.who.int

US COVID-19 cases and deaths by state

How is the nation faring against COVID-19, both overall and at a state level? Get the answers here, with data on hotspots and infection rates. This map tracks the history of coronavirus cases in America, both recent and all-time.

usafacts.org

United States: Coronavirus Pandemic Country Profile

United States: What has been the impact of the Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19)?

ourworldindata.org

 

[Joes Place]

Shit.

Yeah

Just like we thought. You ain't got any.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Yeah

Just like we thought. You ain't got any.

Nah, I think I should be allowed to back up my statement "Many people aren't." with the VAERS data. nearly 36,000 reported deaths from the COVID vaccines. Most likely under-reported, by how much, of course who knows?

Then you have the all cause mortality #'s going up that no authorities seem to care enough about to look into. The question that many people want to know is, if it's not the vaccines, then what is it? Lots of reports of young / athletes and otherwise healthy individuals dying unexpectedly with blood clots and heart issues. Hmmm, wonder what's causing that?

 

[Joes Place]

Nah,

So, NO DATA then.

Figured.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

So, NO DATA then.

Figured.

For heaven's sake man.

 

[ANYCHawk]

Nah, I think I should be allowed to back up my statement "Many people aren't." with the VAERS data. nearly 36,000 reported deaths from the COVID vaccines. Most likely under-reported, by how much, of course who knows?

Then you have the all cause mortality #'s going up that no authorities seem to care enough about to look into. The question that many people want to know is, if it's not the vaccines, then what is it? Lot's of reports of young / athletes and otherwise healthy individuals dying unexpectedly with blood clots and heart issues. Hmmm, wonder what's causing that?

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HOLY S****

are you still using VAERS data even though years ago you got laughed out of here when you used it and people told you the problems with it.

Why don't you tell everyone how the sun circles the earth some more.

 

[LBoogie28]

Nah, I think I should be allowed to back up my statement "Many people aren't." with the VAERS data. nearly 36,000 reported deaths from the COVID vaccines. Most likely under-reported, by how much, of course who knows?

Then you have the all cause mortality #'s going up that no authorities seem to care enough about to look into. The question that many people want to know is, if it's not the vaccines, then what is it? Lot's of reports of young / athletes and otherwise healthy individuals dying unexpectedly with blood clots and heart issues. Hmmm, wonder what's causing that?

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What’s the number of young athletes dying from heart problems since 2021?

 

[ANYCHawk]

from heart problems

7

 

[LBoogie28]

7

They track these statistics, have for years. Would love to see what this poster believes the numbers are for this time frame, and how it compares historically. To think the foresight required to stock little league complexes, schools, gyms, ymcas, etc with AEDs over a decade earlier knowing this vax was coming…

 

[naturalbornhawk]

HOLY S****

are you still using VAERS data even though years ago you got laughed out of here when you used it and people told you the problems with it.

Why don't you tell everyone how the sun circles the earth some more.

It has its problems but I'll use what they give me. Just how worthless is this database anyway, and if you think it's completely worthless, do you have anything better in mind? If not, then I suppose the main question is - why isn't there anything better? This is the database the medical professionals are supposed to report to, whether they actually do or not. Obviously at least some do. Apparently in your mind they're completely wasting their time.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

What’s the number of young athletes dying from heart problems since 2021?

Are you denying that it's happening?

 

[ANYCHawk]

they give me. Just how worthless is this database anyway, and if you think it's completely worthless, do you have anything better in mind? If not, then I suppose the main question is - why isn't there anything better? Th

So you will just use something completely useless because it backs your preconceived ideas and you have found nothing better to support said ideas?

Do you get how stupid that makes you sound?

'Well I will just use the one that has flaws because it supports my ideas and there is nothing else out there - excuse me while i don't consider maybe that's because my idea isn't supported by facts'

That's you right now.

And the your last sentence in your post just proves you don't know the difference between correlation and causation. You're a hack and a joke, you're not even a good anti-vaxxer troll. When people point out why the data is bad, you just go well why isn't there anything better. It's not our job to find databases to back your claim. It's yours. And then when its questioned you have to be able to defend it or find other info. saying 'well that's the best i have' is a BS answer, one for a hack, because deep down you know you spout nothing but BS.

 

[LBoogie28]

Are you denying that it's happening?

Are you denying it was happening before 2021?

Also, how does asking for data imply denial? As always, you’re not very good at this.

 

[Joes Place]

HOLY S****

are you still using VAERS data even though years ago you got laughed out of here when you used it and people told you the problems with it.

Yep

VAERS has been explained to him, time after time. And he still links to people mis-using that database.

 

[Joes Place]

It has its problems

It does not "have problems".

You are using it in a manner it is neither intended for, nor useful in assessing the raw data. That has been explained to you at least a half dozen times.

If you HAVE data on vaccines causing deaths at rates you claim, post it.

 

[ping72]

They track these statistics, have for years. Would love to see what this poster believes the numbers are for this time frame, and how it compares historically. To think the foresight required to stock little league complexes, schools, gyms, ymcas, etc with AEDs over a decade earlier knowing this vax was coming…

This is correct. And it’s not happening at increased rates. It just now makes the wacko Internet rounds when it does.

 

[ping72]

Nah, I think I should be allowed to back up my statement "Many people aren't." with the VAERS data. nearly 36,000 reported deaths from the COVID vaccines. Most likely under-reported, by how much, of course who knows?

Then you have the all cause mortality #'s going up that no authorities seem to care enough about to look into. The question that many people want to know is, if it's not the vaccines, then what is it? Lot's of reports of young / athletes and otherwise healthy individuals dying unexpectedly with blood clots and heart issues. Hmmm, wonder what's causing that?

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Even if all of this is true… you’re saying this 0.000036% chance of death is scarier than the death rate of unvaccinated people catching covid… which is undoubtedly higher than that.

I just do not understand this argument at all. It’s like saying you would not run out of a burning building because there is a chance if you leave your house an airplane flying overhead could have a bolt come loose and land on your head.

Sure there’s a risk with a vaccine… But you take thousands of more dangerous risks in your every day life without even thinking about it.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

So you will just use something completely useless

I never said that I believed it was completely useless, but I guess you do. I think the good majority of those numbers are legit, and I think there's a good chance the numbers are under-reported.

and you have found nothing better to support said ideas?

I thought I made it clear that the excess mortality data supported those ideas.

Groundbreaking Analysis: COVID Vaccines Caused 300,000 Excess Deaths, $147 Billion in Damage to Economy in 2022 Alone

In the U.S., COVID-19 vaccines injured 26.6 million people, disabled 1.36 million people, caused more than 300,000 excess deaths and cost the economy an estimated $147 billion in damage — in 2022 alone — according to a new analysis by Humanity Projects, a wing of Portugal-based research firm...

childrenshealthdefense.org

You're a hack and a joke, you're not even a good anti-vaxxer troll.

Truthfully, I might actually agree with you to an extent, but the awesome part about it is that I never claimed to be all that. All I try to do is keep it real and keep proving that people with your position on vaccine safety talk big but at the end of the day really have zero ground to stand on by posting things like this for example:

AARON SIRI GIVES TESTIMONY TO THE ARIZONA STATE SENATE - The HighWire

Last week, Aaron Siri, the lead counsel for ICAN, delivered compelling testimony at the Arizona Novel COVID South Western Intergovernmental Committee (NCSWIC), an important platform dedicated to addressing the challenges and lessons learned from the COVID-19 pandemic, and charting a path forward.

thehighwire.com

and this:

AARON SIRI’S DEBATE WITH PAUL OFFIT - The HighWire

Dr. Jim Meehan guest hosts The Highwire this week and is joined by ICAN lead attorney, Aaron Siri, to share his side of his twitter debate with vaccine creator, Paul Offit, cornering him over his false statement that all vaccines are tested under placebo controlled trials. Hear about the 17...

thehighwire.com

Damning information, with no good response. It happens in every thread. Thanks guys for helping prove my points!