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Rick Santorum makes it official!

We are about 300 trillion in debt and you worry about his religious takes?


Freaking unbelievable

Do you honestly believe any republican when they talk about getting the budget in order and the debt reduced? If you haven't figured out by now that they're just paying lip service, I think you need to start paying attention. The GOP spends every bit as much as the Dems once they're in office.
 
Why wouldn't he abhor this POS. This guy wants America to live, under law, the way he believes. In other words, he wants everyone to live like good little Christians. Any politicians, and I mean anyone, that wants to force their social beliefs on this country needs to take a hike. Feel free to live life the way you believe, but do not try to force it on others.

Santorum is scum.
I would like to know what is wrong with that? Your way doesn't work well does it? Now lets be honest here...there was a time when most people in this country were on the same page where morality was concerned. They may not have all been Christians but they respected the principles and accepted it as they way an ordered society lives. It wasn't perfect by any means but it beats the stew out of what we have today. Thing is people like you don't want that...you want to live your lives in the moral sewer and that is fine by me...take my word I have absolutely zero problem with that...however the problem I have is you want to drag me in there with you and even though I resist you still throw pieces of refuge on me...and I don't like that....and any politician who wants to throw what I consider unnatural, evil behavior on me or on this country needs to take a hike...
 
I would like to know what is wrong with that? Your way doesn't work well does it? Now lets be honest here...there was a time when most people in this country were on the same page where morality was concerned. They may not have all been Christians but they respected the principles and accepted it as they way an ordered society lives. It wasn't perfect by any means but it beats the stew out of what we have today. Thing is people like you don't want that...you want to live your lives in the moral sewer and that is fine by me...take my word I have absolutely zero problem with that...however the problem I have is you want to drag me in there with you and even though I resist you still throw pieces of refuge on me...and I don't like that....and any politician who wants to throw what I consider unnatural, evil behavior on me or on this country needs to take a hike...

Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex. Nobody is forcing you to abort your babies. Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? My wife is a devout Christian and I love that woman more than anything. I go to church with her every Sunday and with an open mind, listen to the word. I'm just still conflicted on the whole subject. But I am not lacking in morals, and especially not because I'm not a Christian.

My wife also believes that they should not be allowed to force their beliefs on others. She does try to spread the word, to anyone that will listen, and obviously is on me every day about it. But even Christ didn't say everyone should be forced to live as he believed. So why do you think you, or any politician has the right to force others to live as you believe?
 
Mr. Santorum has called President Obama’s foreign policy a “disaster for America,” saying the president has played down the threat of Islamic terrorism. “We need to start by crushing ISIS now,” he has said of the Islamic State, calling for the United States to “bomb them back to the seventh century.” A staunch supporter of Israel, he says Mr. Obama is wrong in pressuring that nation to seek a negotiated peace deal with the Palestinians. Mr. Santorum argues that the main threats to stability in the Middle East are what he calls the “deranged leadership” of Hamas and, more important, Iran. He names Russia and China as the other primary threats to the United States. Citing Moscow’s growing militarism, he says he would put missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.

His foreign policy stance does have a nice ring to it.


Here are some of his Senate votes on taxes:

• Voted NO on the Clinton tax hike in 1993
• Voted YES on the capital gains tax cut in 1997
• Voted NO on a cigarette tax hike in 1998
• Voted YES on repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax in 1999
• Voted YES on the 2001 Bush tax cuts
• Voted YES to repeal the Death Tax in 2002
• Voted YES to the 2003 Bush tax cuts
• Voted YES to extend the Bush tax cuts in 2006

So far so good!

Here is his record on trade. This is decidedly mixed

Voted YES on the Oman Free Trade Agreement (FTA)
• Voted YES on CAFTA
• Voted YES on the Morocco FTA
• Voted YES on the Australia FTA
• Voted YES on the Chile FTA
• Voted YES on the Singapore FTA
• Voted YES to Trade Promotion Authority
• Voted YES to extend normal trade relations with China.

In perhaps the most important free trade vote of the last generation, Santorum voted against the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) in 1993, perhaps the most important trade vote cast during his career in Congress. As a member of the Senate Steel Caucus, Santorum voted for and co-sponsored a bill to slap tariffs on imported steel in 1999. In 2005, Santorum voted in support of an amendment that would impose a 27.5% tariff on all Chinese imports if China didn’t readjust their currency upward.
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He has also been sort of anti-regulation, voting against Dodd-Frank and against Cap and Trade. He also voted to open ANWAR to drilling. However he voted yes on Sarbanes-Oxley.

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Significantly, he was one of the Senators who attempted to reign in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. This effort fell on the deaf ears of Barney Frank and Maxine Waters and we all know how that played out.

Along with 24 of his colleagues, he signed a letter that read, “If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.”

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He actually looks OK. However his vote against NAFTA and for Sarbanes-Oxley indicate a vein of political expediency and a protectionist bent. He is clearly not coming at these issues through a hard-nosed belief in the underlying economics.

I guess he deserves a look, but I still prefer Jeb Bush whose record in Florida was more consistent on taxes and regulation ... and on spending (which I did not cover here, but which appears mixed.)

So . . . he was right on 2 things: voting against NAFTA and for Sarbanes-Oxley. Not that Sarbanes-Oxley was all that great, but at least is was a token response to the Great Heist.
 
What's really scary is there are a lot more people like Arbitr8. Fox/Conservative fans who are convinced that Muslims are going to take over the world.

Santorum will pander to that fear of Muslims more than any candidate on the list. Santorum is one of the most frightened human beings in American politics. He is ideal for a Theocracy... like Iran has. It's ironic how he is so afraid of Iran, yet, if he had his way, America would be a Christian Theocracy that would resemble the Middle Ages. It's also funny how his religion is turning against him. This guy really dislikes Pope Francis. Rick Santorum is filled with shame, guilt, and fear. I feel sorry for his kids.
I'm not a Fox news guy...but Islam will try and take over, via immigration and reproduction...they've said it themselves.
 
I would like to know what is wrong with that? Your way doesn't work well does it? Now lets be honest here...there was a time when most people in this country were on the same page where morality was concerned. They may not have all been Christians but they respected the principles and accepted it as they way an ordered society lives. It wasn't perfect by any means but it beats the stew out of what we have today. Thing is people like you don't want that...you want to live your lives in the moral sewer and that is fine by me...take my word I have absolutely zero problem with that...however the problem I have is you want to drag me in there with you and even though I resist you still throw pieces of refuge on me...and I don't like that....and any politician who wants to throw what I consider unnatural, evil behavior on me or on this country needs to take a hike...
What refuse is being thrown? Our welfare state is all I can think of.
 
I'm not a Fox news guy...but Islam will try and take over, via immigration and reproduction...they've said it themselves.
And Christians will try to take over through evangelism, missionary work and, in the case of Catholics and those who oppose abortion and/or birth control, through reproduction.

I worry about both groups, but am disinclined to bomb either back to the 7th century.
 
And Christians will try to take over through evangelism, missionary work and, in the case of Catholics and those who oppose abortion and/or birth control, through reproduction.

I worry about both groups, but am disinclined to bomb either back to the 7th century.
If you can't see the difference between Islam and Christianity..at least in modern times, you basically render everything you've ever said, worthless.
 
If you can't see the difference between Islam and Christianity..at least in modern times, you basically render everything you've ever said, worthless.
Interesting that you go there. Of course I see difference between Islamist beheaders and peaceful Christians. But why can't you see the difference between the bomb-bomb-bomb Christian Right and peaceful Muslims?
 
Interesting that you go there. Of course I see difference between Islamist beheaders and peaceful Christians. But why can't you see the difference between the bomb-bomb-bomb Christian Right and peaceful Muslims?
Why are they bombing? And peaceful and Muslim don't go together, look at the history of the religion....over all time.
 
The social hysteria that has been manufactured and embellished in this country- essentially the fear of Islam- would rival the same social hysteria that was gradually conjured-up in Germany against Judaism. Now, granted, there are people who claim to be Muslim that are doing some incredibly heinous things and drawing a great deal of fear toward the religion and others who subscribe to it. But, the media in this country is fanning the flames, and the political pandering is making it all much worse. I truly believe that if similar social separations (like the Nuremberg laws) were introduced in this country, that a strong percentage of Judeo-Christian Americans would be okay with it.

Islam is NOT taking over the world. No more than any other religion is or is trying to.
 
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The social hysteria that has been manufactured and embellished in this country- essentially the fear of Islam- would rival the same social hysteria that was gradually conjured-up in Germany against Judaism. Now, granted, there are people who claim to be Muslim that are doing some incredibly heinous things and drawing a great deal of fear toward the religion and others who subscribe to it. But, the media in this country is fanning the flames, and the political pandering is making it all much worse. I truly believe that if similar social separations (like the Nuremberg laws) were introduced in this country, that a strong percentage of Judeo-Christian Americans would be okay with it.

Islam is NOT taking over the world. No more than any other religion is or is trying to.
Look at their population growth in western Europe, Gadaffi said they'd take over Europe without a shot being fired.
 
want fewer human rights......let's Muslims run the nation.
Or Christians.

Yes, I'd almost certainly be even less happy with a Muslim theocracy than an Evangelical Christian theocracy. But one of those is much more likely - and is exerting much more control over politics and rights in America today and for the forseeable future - and it ain't the Muslims.

Then again, how long would it take a Christian theocracy to trot out all those wonderful Old Testament values and penalties? And how much difference would there be if that happened?
 
Or Christians.

Yes, I'd almost certainly be even less happy with a Muslim theocracy than an Evangelical Christian theocracy. But one of those is much more likely - and is exerting much more control over politics and rights in America today and for the forseeable future - and it ain't the Muslims.
Much more control over politics and rights in America today as opposed to what time period? I think Christianity arguably has less control over rights now than at any previous point in American history. Same-sex marriage and recreational marijuana use will both be legal in most or all states very soon, much to the chagrin of the religious right.

Can you cite some examples of ways in which our rights are being controlled by Christians?
 
Who's more righteous Tennessee, that person who doesn't need to use a mythical figure to shape his morality, or the one that does?
I would go with neither but I would guess you will will go with the one who does not. That people make it an argument of one or the other is a mystery to me.
 
You can be blind to the threat of Islam, no head off my shoulders. Wonder how the gays and lesbians would like to live in a nation under Islam?


I'm not blind. I'm just not overreacting and hanging on the media/politician's every word as to what the threat truly is. Social hysteria is good for business... in so many ways. I'm not falling for it.
 
I'm not blind. I'm just not overreacting and hanging on the media/politician's every word as to what the threat truly is. Social hysteria is good for business... in so many ways. I'm not falling for it.
I'm not hysterical, just want to be wary of what's going on. I'm not going to be like OIT and say that the beheading videos put out by ISIS are really the CIA. I mean, look, in their religion, it's ok to kill someone for drawing Muhammed, or whatever the pervs name was.
 
The social hysteria that has been manufactured and embellished in this country- essentially the fear of Islam- would rival the same social hysteria that was gradually conjured-up in Germany against Judaism. Now, granted, there are people who claim to be Muslim that are doing some incredibly heinous things and drawing a great deal of fear toward the religion and others who subscribe to it. But, the media in this country is fanning the flames, and the political pandering is making it all much worse. I truly believe that if similar social separations (like the Nuremberg laws) were introduced in this country, that a strong percentage of Judeo-Christian Americans would be okay with it.

Islam is NOT taking over the world. No more than any other religion is or is trying to.

No, they're not even trying..... Don't worry, be happy.....follow Obama, trust him....believe in him.....support the party.....Christians are the evil ones....the US military are the evil ones....police/law enforcement are the evil ones......white males are the evil ones ones......Republicans......right wingers are evil.....they're responsible for all the crime/drug/women abuse/ gun violence/ in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, LA.,..... Omaha. And I'm sick and tired of those damn Christians..... acting as my conscience.
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[1] Much more control over politics and rights in America today as opposed to what time period? I think Christianity arguably has less control over rights now than at any previous point in American history. Same-sex marriage and recreational marijuana use will both be legal in most or all states very soon, much to the chagrin of the religious right.

[2] Can you cite some examples of ways in which our rights are being controlled by Christians?
[1] Surely you know that wasn't my point. My point was that Christians exercise more control compared with Muslims, not compared with prior time periods.

That said, consider the tremendous liberalization in the 60s, the 70s. Started reversing in the 80s.

Sure there were probably more religion-based laws on the books then than now, but they were being progressively disregarded and/or defeated in that era, as Americans became much more secular, much more outspoken, and much more willing to criticize both religion and government.

[2] You cite same sex marriage and marijuana. When did marijuana become a religion issue? As for same sex marriage, I'd say that's a point on my side - showing pretty clearly what we could expect if our Religious Right gains more control here. They are losing that battle now. But they are strong enough to keep fighting for Old Testament values even now. And check where all or nearly all GOP candidates stand on this. We aren't even talking about Dark Age values. We're talking about the primitive superstitious authoritarianism of a species that had barely learned to write.

Consider topics like evolution, stem-cell research, abortion. Not only is the Religious Right fighting the Luddite fight on those topics, but they extend their anti-intellectual, anti-science views in opposition to dealing with climate change. It isn't religion (except for really weird Christians like the dominionists), but if you Ven diagram it, the overlap is very clear.

Consider the ongoing fights to put religious displays on public property and even in courts. Consider the ongoing efforts to sneak prayer into schools. Consider the opposition to birth control being included in Obamacare coverage. Consider the fights to allow commercial discrimination on the basis of religion.

That's the danger we face in America. Not the invasion of the jihadist hordes.
 
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I'm not hysterical, just want to be wary of what's going on. I'm not going to be like OIT and say that the beheading videos put out by ISIS are really the CIA. I mean, look, in their religion, it's ok to kill someone for drawing Muhammed, or whatever the pervs name was.
It's okay to kill people in every religion's holy textbook! It's interpreted a million ways. Mohammed was not a pervert in the context of the time in which he lived.

Your general reaction and attitude is proof that you'd be open to the social separation laws between Muslims and everyone else if they were proposed. It's a common thing. Social hysteria generates just about any reaction that it wants. This generalized fear of all things Muslim is great for business. It's profitable on so many levels.

And, the idea that the CIA is really ISIS is not that far-fetched either. Americans trust their corrupt institutions way too much. They trust them because, in theory, they are "ours" and therefore people subconsciously feel like it's not really all that bad. They are crooked, but it's to benefit the American people, so that's okay. They don't salute a flag, okay? They salute the money and power that fund them and tell them what to do.
 
No, they're not even trying..... Don't worry, be happy.....follow Obama, trust him....believe in him.....support the party.....Christians are the evil ones....the US military are the evil ones....police/law enforcement are the evil ones......white males are the evil ones ones......Republicans......right wingers are evil.....they're responsible for all the crime/drug/women abuse/ gun violence/ in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, LA.,..... Omaha. And I'm sick and tired of those damn Christians..... acting as my conscience.
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Prime example of Social Hysteria! Thank you!
 
[1] Surely you know that wasn't my point. My point was that Christians exercise more control compared with Muslims, not compared with prior time periods.

That said, consider the tremendous liberalization in the 60s, the 70s. Started reversing in the 80s.

Sure there were probably more religion-based laws on the books then than now, but they were being progressively disregarded and/or defeated in that era, as Americans became much more secular, much more outspoken, and much more willing to criticize both religion and government.

[2] You cite same sex marriage and marijuana. When did marijuana become a religion issue? As for same sex marriage, I'd say that's a point on my side - showing pretty clearly what we could expect if our Religious Right gains more control here. They are losing that battle now. But they are strong enough to keep fighting for Old Testament values even now. And check where all or nearly all GOP candidates stand on this. We aren't even talking about Dark Age values. We're talking about the primitive superstitious authoritarianism of a species that had barely learned to write.

Consider topics like evolution, stem-cell research, abortion. Not only is the Religious Right fighting the Luddite fight on those topics, but they extend their anti-intellectual, anti-science views in opposition to dealing with climate change. It isn't religion (except for really weird Christians like the dominionists), but if you Ven diagram it, the overlap is very clear.

Consider the ongoing fights to put religious displays on public property and even in courts. Consider the ongoing efforts to sneak prayer into schools. Consider the opposition to birth control being included in Obamacare coverage. Consider the fights to allow commercial discrimination on the basis of religion.

That's the danger we face in America. Not the invasion of the jihadist hordes.
My bad. When you stated that Christians exert much more control over politics and rights today and for the foreseeable future, I thought you meant as compared to how much control they used to exert.

Basically you listed a whole bunch of ways in which Christians are trying to exert control over rights, but with limited success. The system prevents them from running roughshod over your rights. It seems to me you spend far more time and energy lamenting how much they control your rights than they spend time and energy actually controlling your rights.
 
You can be blind to the threat of Islam, no head off my shoulders. Wonder how the gays and lesbians would like to live in a nation under Islam?

Wonder how these atheists will fare living under ISIS.....haha......get in line, you're head is getting chopped off.....but that's after we cut off your weinie But, but......I'm not a Christian.....I don't believe in God!! haha "Shut up and get in line."
But don't worry, they're not coming here.....the libs tell us they're not.
 
Wonder how these atheists will fare living under ISIS.....haha......get in line, you're head is getting chopped off.....but that's after we cut off your weinie But, but......I'm not a Christian.....I don't believe in God!! haha "Shut up and get in line."
But don't worry, they're not coming here.....the libs tell us they're not.
Rick appreciates your support.
 
My bad. When you stated that Christians exert much more control over politics and rights today and for the foreseeable future, I thought you meant as compared to how much control they used to exert.

Basically you listed a whole bunch of ways in which Christians are trying to exert control over rights, but with limited success. The system prevents them from running roughshod over your rights. It seems to me you spend far more time and energy lamenting how much they control your rights than they spend time and energy actually controlling your rights.
That's because they keep pushing for more control, a lot of people take them seriously, and we now have a lot of politicians and even several Supreme Court Justices who seem willing to ignore the constitution to give them that control. Moreover, we have plenty of judges willing to screw up the works - so that even when sanity seems to have won, the disease may pop up again somewhere else. Alabama's Chief Judge Roy Moore being just one obvious example.
 
Interesting that you go there. Of course I see difference between Islamist beheaders and peaceful Christians. But why can't you see the difference between the bomb-bomb-bomb Christian Right and peaceful Muslims?
So, you're even against bombing ISIS....the savage beheaders
And why can't you see that the reason for bombing is to kill those that are beheading people? Don't worry, the bombings are doing nothing to stop the Islamic savages. Obama and liberals say the Iraqis should fight their own war, but won't give them enough modern weapons they are asking for. Liberals are piss-poor humanitarians. Pretty apparent that Bush won the war.......Obama is giving it back/losing it. Looks like Obama has no planned strategy other than to hand over Iraq, Syria, Yemen to ISIS and make sure Iran gets the bomb.
WH...."US is not helping you"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/white-house-isis-strategy/
 
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No, they're not even trying..... Don't worry, be happy.....follow Obama, trust him....believe in him.....support the party.....Christians are the evil ones....the US military are the evil ones....police/law enforcement are the evil ones......white males are the evil ones ones......Republicans......right wingers are evil.....they're responsible for all the crime/drug/women abuse/ gun violence/ in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, LA.,..... Omaha. And I'm sick and tired of those damn Christians..... acting as my conscience.
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What would you want to do with people who are occupying their land and bombing their children?
 
So, you're even against bombing ISIS....the savage beheaders
And why can't you see that the reason for bombing is to kill those that are beheading people? Don't worry, the bombings are doing nothing to stop the Islamic savages. Obama and liberals say the Iraqis should fight their own war, but won't give them enough modern weapons they are asking for. Liberals are piss-poor humanitarians. Pretty apparent that Bush won the war.......Obama is giving it back/losing it. Looks like Obama has no planned strategy other than to hand over Iraq, Syria, Yemen to ISIS and make sure Iran gets the bomb.
WH...."US is not helping you"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/white-house-isis-strategy/


Posters like this guy just make me wonder about the human race in general. I would love to know what percentage of the population thinks like sijoint. That would be useful information for so many reasons.
 
What would you want to do with people who are occupying their land and bombing their children?

See, that is the irony with those that think and speak like sijoint, Arbitr8, IMCC, hawkbleeder, blazinhawk... they are basically identical to these extremists in their thought processes. They don't have the balls to carry-out their views violently. They'd probably be locked-up if they did... which is beneficial to us and to society. But,t hey don't realize how their level of contempt (mentally) is basically the same as those "savages" over there.
 
Posters like this guy just make me wonder about the human race in general. I would love to know what percentage of the population thinks like sijoint. That would be useful information for so many reasons.

Sadly probably a lot of people who fall for Fox News' propaganda rather than actually researching topics and gaining a deeper understanding of the realities of the situations.
 
Sadly probably a lot of people who fall for Fox News' propaganda rather than actually researching topics and gaining a deeper understanding of the realities of the situations.
I like the fact that you're getting more involved in the debating CIggy, it's good to see. Even Jscott is answering posts now.
 
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We left, remember.
Why do I know people that are still over there then? Sarcastic? Eh? The Iraqis aren't going to be satisified with us being anywhere near them.
Personally I think we should just pack up and go, put the troops on the borders or at least in Germany or something and worry about ourselves for a change.
 
Why do I know people that are still over there then? Sarcastic? Eh? The Iraqis aren't going to be satisified with us being anywhere near them.
Personally I think we should just pack up and go, put the troops on the borders or at least in Germany or something and worry about ourselves for a change.
Why did this start after we withdrew the majority of our troops? Look, I thnk we should develop an oil replacement and tell the Middle east to suck our nuts. I'd rather not be there in any way shape or form.
 
Or Christians.

Yes, I'd almost certainly be even less happy with a Muslim theocracy than an Evangelical Christian theocracy. But one of those is much more likely - and is exerting much more control over politics and rights in America today and for the forseeable future - and it ain't the Muslims.

Then again, how long would it take a Christian theocracy to trot out all those wonderful Old Testament values and penalties? And how much difference would there be if that happened?
You aren't seeing christians erode rights..rights are growing beyond what your old ass grew up with, in terms of gay rights, sexual rights, etc. They are just throwing a fit over it.
 
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