ROY - WNBA

[Slim45]

Reese has hit her pinnacle. She isn’t getting any better than what she’s showing right now. Clark on the other had can and will become way better as the season moves along. We’ve already seen major improvements. Add in her teammates adjusting to playing with her and actually finishing layups/making shots. Her and Bostons connection has drastically improved since the start of the season. I see no way Clark isn’t by far the most deserving of the award by seasons end…

 

[TnT_Hawks]

For performing Escort Service duties

That makes sense

 

[chuck285]

2023 Women’s Final Four Most Outstanding Player when she won the title.

Yes she did win it but only because she was on the National Championship team. Clark was by far the better player and best stats but they gave it to the winning teams player.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Clark played last night like she wanted to hand the ROTY title to Angel Reese.

 

[ZachJump]

Your argument would have had more merit if you would have used Alyssa Thomas instead of Sabrina.

Why?

Sabrina has her share, obviously not as many as Alyssa, but in stating something to a clueless fan I picked the name that was shown on countless graphics during Caitlin’s college career.

Took a shot that maybe he had heard of Sabrina…literally no chance he has ever heard of Alyssa before.

 

[AWS1022]

Why?

Sabrina has her share, obviously not as many as Alyssa, but in stating something to a clueless fan I picked the name that was shown on countless graphics during Caitlin’s college career.

Took a shot that maybe he had heard of Sabrina…literally no chance he has ever heard of Alyssa before.

It was me and yes, I’ve heard of Alyssa before and Sabrina….doesn’t change the point of my original argument…the W makes such a big deal out of double doubles because they really can’t get triple doubles.

 

[ZachJump]

It was me and yes, I’ve heard of Alyssa before and Sabrina….doesn’t change the point of my original argument…the W makes such a big deal out of double doubles because they really can’t get triple doubles.

Your original argument was that Caitlin was the only one in the WNBA that could get triple doubles …. Ignoring that there are others that do get them

 

[AWS1022]

Your original argument was that Caitlin was the only one in the WNBA that could get triple doubles …. Ignoring that there are others that do get them

But they don’t get them consistently enough to consider them a real threat to do it on any given night…Clark comes closer more often than anyone else. Most of the good scorers and rebounders don’t get anywhere near 10 assists and most guards don’t get anywhere near 10 rebounds. That’s what I meant…sorry some took it so literally, but that’s why double doubles are such a huge deal in the W….and if you look at the stats, a lot of players have had a lot of double doubles.

 

[ZachJump]

But they don’t get them consistently enough to consider them a real threat to do it on any given night

Alyssa Thomas last year averaged 15 points a game, 10 rebounds a game, and 8 assist a game. (15.5/9.9/7.9)

I would call that pretty consistent and damn close to Triple Double watch for an entire season.

For comparison, Caitlin is at 16.0/5.7/7.1 for the season. Damn good for a rookie… but not anywhere near what Alyssa did last year .

Do not think for a second I am throwing shade at Caitlin. Realizing that there are other damn good players in the league is not a sign of disrespect. I will not be surprised if she does end up being considered the best….but let her earn it first before crowning her.

 

[AWS1022]

Alyssa Thomas last year averaged 15 points a game, 10 rebounds a game, and 8 assist a game. (15.5/9.9/7.9)

I would call that pretty consistent and damn close to Triple Double watch for an entire season.

For comparison, Caitlin is at 16.0/5.7/7.1 for the season. Damn good for a rookie… but not anywhere near what Alyssa did last year .

Do not think for a second I am throwing shade at Caitlin. Realizing that there are other damn good players in the league is not a sign of disrespect. I will not be surprised if she does end up being considered the best….but let her earn it first before crowning her.

I’m not crowning anyone…I just think Caitlin’s game is one of the very few that lends itself to hitting a triple double. Are we going to start having a dunk count in the W because Britney Griner did it a couple of times? Pretty much every player in the league will not get a triple double, so they make a big deal out of double doubles, which is far more attainable with points and rebounds than with points and assists, especially for anyone tall in a league where no one can jump.

 

[ddeanHawk]

CC should get the award, but it doesn't help that she is probably the biggest whiner in the league.
Maybe they'll decide it by who dresses better on the way to games...that seems very important in the W.

Yeah no, she whined quite abit in college but she hasn't been in the wnba much, you must not be watching much

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[CJ Beat Hard]

But they don’t get them consistently enough to consider them a real threat to do it on any given night…Clark comes closer more often than anyone else. Most of the good scorers and rebounders don’t get anywhere near 10 assists and most guards don’t get anywhere near 10 rebounds. That’s what I meant…sorry some took it so literally, but that’s why double doubles are such a huge deal in the W….and if you look at the stats, a lot of players have had a lot of double doubles.

Alyssa Thomas had a triple double last night

 

[amahawk]

I think that ROY is Reese's to lose. My gut tells me that CC got to be the first pick and that Reese needs to get something to make things "right" for the powers that be in the WNBA.
It could change, depending on if the Fever or Sky make or miss the playoffs.

 

[RIGHTWINGHAWK]

Is there a chance the Bayou Skank will win this over CC?

I'm sure it will depend on who does the voting. It's not the fans is it?

They both do things very well and I wonder how close it will be. I'm thinking closer than what we as Iowa fans want and expect.

I'd say its 60/40 Clark wins but no shoo in. AR has been putting up good numbers as well.

 

[hoffmkr]

Yes she did win it but only because she was on the National Championship team. Clark was by far the better player and best stats but they gave it to the winning teams player.

The worst part was, they beat Iowa despite Reece, not because of her. Her +/- was basically zero. LSU went on their runs when she was on the bench. Least deserving MVP I’ve seen in a long time.

 

[Franisdaman]

Was she gonna vote for Caitlin a week ago when the Fever were above the Sky in the standings???

What a joke.

But they came up with reasons to keep her off the Olympic team so this should not be surprising.

Check this out & watch:

 

[Franisdaman]

Here are some Angel highlights!

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

She should win. But, if she doesn't, it will just add to her super powers. Paige Bueckers wins NPOY as a sophomore. (Granted Bueckers is hurt), but Caitlin takes her team to 2 straight Finals Games, and wins the next 2 NPOY (not to mention about every other award). So, Angel wins it, better things will come to Caitlin (and her team).

 

[AWS1022]

Alyssa Thomas had a triple double last night

Was that the first one of the year in the league?

 

[MplsHawk]

She should win. But, if she doesn't, it will just add to her super powers. Paige Bueckers wins NPOY as a sophomore. (Granted Bueckers is hurt), but Caitlin takes her team to 2 straight Finals Games, and wins the next 2 NPOY (not to mention about every other award). So, Angel wins it, better things will come to Caitlin (and her team).

Sorry, I'm picking nits and this doesn't take away from your point, but Paige won as a freshman. Boston won Caitlin and Paige's sophomore year. Caitlin was right there at the top all four years and could reasonably have won it her freshman or sophomore years too.

 

[gojojo]

Was she gonna vote for Caitlin a week ago when the Fever were above the Sky in the standings???

What a joke.

But they came up with reasons to keep her off the Olympic team so this should not be surprising.

Check this out & watch:

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McNutt is a prime example why many have turned away from ESPN commentary; picking your ROTY based on team standings is an unserious take, especially when Chi is only a 1/2 game up on Indy. No one seems to mention Indiana win % is higher than last year, while Chicago's has decreased.

According to her theory, Chet Holmgren should have won ROTY over Wemby.

 

[Franisdaman]

 

[ICHawk2440]

27 and 10 last night. I mean no matter how big of a CC fan you are, you gotta admit Reese is pretty deserving of ROY. Still a long season but I’d put Reese above CC right now, and that is OK because they are both great players. One just happens to have teams game plan solely around stopping her.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

27 and 10 last night. I mean no matter how big of a CC fan you are, you gotta admit Reese is pretty deserving of ROY. Still a long season but I’d put Reese above CC right now, and that is OK because they are both great players. One just happens to have teams game plan solely around stopping her.

Yep, I think the scales are tipped in Reese’s favor right now. She keeps putting up games like that and the only way Clark steals it is by putting up several triple doubles while increasing her scoring.

I think Clark’s teammates are going to cost her. She should have another 6 or 7 points/assists double doubles and be averaging close to 16/6/10 right now if they’d just hit their layups and one more open 3s that she sets up for them per game.

 

[ICWestfan]

27 and 10 last night. I mean no matter how big of a CC fan you are, you gotta admit Reese is pretty deserving of ROY. Still a long season but I’d put Reese above CC right now, and that is OK because they are both great players. One just happens to have teams game plan solely around stopping her.

That's it in a nutshell. It has been posted here that AR has the benefit of having Cardoza and another big to play with so doesn't get the attention CC22 does. That said, AR is playing really well plus the Sky beat the Storm last night who have a nice record.

Also, Aces lost last night to a shitty Sparks team. Guess they figured they didn't need to give their A+ effort (i.e. The CC22 effort).

 

[hawkeye_wx]

I also think Reese is currently in the lead for ROY. Clark will need to shoot well, consistently, for the rest of the season and increase her scoring, to go along with her high assist numbers. The Fever also need to finish ahead of Chicago. Chicago is currently ahead by a game, and they also have a much better avg point differential because they've been much more competitive with the top teams.

 

[SunzOutGunzOut]

Chennedy Carter is the reason Chicago is winning currently. Her last 5 games are 23, 20, 15, 26, & 33 last night going 15-24 with no 3's attempted.

 

[hawkeye_wx]

Chennedy Carter is the reason Chicago is winning currently. Her last 5 games are 23, 20, 15, 26, & 33 last night going 15-24 with no 3's attempted.

Carter's last two games...... 59 points, zero turnovers. That's pretty impressive.

 

[amahawk]

Before this season were the WNBA players outfits newsworthy? Times have changed.

 

[gojojo]

DK still has Clark -550 and Reese at +350.

I think it should be closer than that, however if Clark keeps her 15/6/7 average, she'll be the first woman in league history to post those numbers. I could see her getting to 17/6/8 if her teammates could just make open shots.

 

[Randon]

In spite of her terrific assist numbers CC needs to shoot better. Her near 33% shooting from "3" just won't cut it.

 

[MplsHawk]

27 and 10 last night. I mean no matter how big of a CC fan you are, you gotta admit Reese is pretty deserving of ROY. Still a long season but I’d put Reese above CC right now, and that is OK because they are both great players. One just happens to have teams game plan solely around stopping her.

Reese even added two 3-pointers to her box score on 2-2 shooting. I'll probably never be a fan, but she is making a good case for ROY.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Nobody should be mentioned for this award other than Clark.

It’s that simple. Don’t over think it voters.

 

[pablow]

In spite of her terrific assist numbers CC needs to shoot better. Her near 33% shooting from "3" just won't cut it.

Caitlin can shot much better than that. But compared to our Olympic team 3-point shooters, not that much out of line -

Kelsey Plum - 37.4%
Kahleah cooper - 35.7%
Diana Taurisi - 35.4%
Jackie Young - 34.5
Sabrina Ionescu - 34.0%
Caitlin - 33.7%
Rhyne Howard - 30.6%
Jewell Lloyd - 27.3%
Breanna Stewart - 25.%

And, Kayla McBride, Kelsey Mitchell, Kelsey Plum, & Kaheah Cooper are the only players in the league above 35%. So I guess it is that trashy Wilson clown-ball.

 

[amahawk]

Reese even added two 3-pointers to her box score on 2-2 shooting. I'll probably never be a fan, but she is making a good case for ROY.

If CC only had Cardoso along with Boston?

 

[gojojo]

DK still has Clark -550 and Reese at +350.

I think it should be closer than that, however if Clark keeps her 15/6/7 average, she'll be the first woman in league history to post those numbers. I could see her getting to 17/6/8 if her teammates could just make open shots.

-600 & +370

 

[gojojo]

-600 & +370

-650, +400.

 

[ghostOfHomer777]

I don't understand the ire directed towards Angel ... she's a darn fine player.

It's true that her shooting percentage is lower than it should be. However, she scores, she rebounds well, and she defends well.

Caitlin does a lot of things well ... but obviously defense is one of her weaknesses. That is why I suppose that she's been more opportunistic and has tried for more steals.

Both players are great. However, I don't think that it is really possible to truly judge them in a side-by-side comparison because they're such different players.

 

[Hendy hawk]

I don't understand the ire directed towards Angel ... she's a darn fine player.

It's true that her shooting percentage is lower than it should be. However, she scores, she rebounds well, and she defends well.

Caitlin does a lot of things well ... but obviously defense is one of her weaknesses. That is why I suppose that she's been more opportunistic and has tried for more steals.

Both players are great. However, I don't think that it is really possible to truly judge them in a side-by-side comparison because they're such different players.

Agree that both are good players But:
The rebound stat line should be if you shoot and miss but get the rebound it should not be counted. But it is, so the rebound count is flawed in my opinion.