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I really have no idea and this is 100% a guess, but I don’t think there’s the best relationship between Iowa and Flo. Iowa just had the HWC Showdown and went straight to Trackwrestling. I doubt Flo is a fan of that move. Also, Tom made some comments on the Stalemates podcast that other events only want Spencer and he didn’t like that. Again, this is me guessing, but I think that was probably Flo. Tom telling Flo no on Spencer probably doesn’t make them happy. Tom also mentioned Iowa (more specifically Brooks) getting snubbed by Flo in a different event.Seems like a cool idea, yet no HWC. Iowa missing yet another big opportunity.
HWC and NLWC both said no to RTC eventI really have no idea and this is 100% a guess, but I don’t think there’s the best relationship between Iowa and Flo. Iowa just had the HWC Showdown and went straight to Trackwrestling. I doubt Flo is a fan of that move. Also, Tom made some comments on the Stalemates podcast that other events only want Spencer and he didn’t like that. Again, this is me guessing, but I think that was probably Flo. Tom telling Flo no on Spencer probably doesn’t make them happy. Tom also mentioned Iowa (more specifically Brooks) getting snubbed by Flo in a different event.
The only thing Iowa and Flo agree on is “Terry”
Pyles stock has went down considerably since the trial with Willie.
My guess is since the NLWC & HWC hosted events on other platforms than flo they might not of been invited or since the Willy debacle want nothing to do with CP & flo.No good reason to compete? Not very wrestling of Iowa or PSU
No good reason to compete? Not very wrestling of Iowa or PSU
This. I’m not going to claim to be a rules guru but once school starts, compliance runs the show. There are a boatload of rules regarding these events and I guarantee you compliance green lights everything. My gut tells me it was not a coincidence HWC event pitted Iowa vs Iowa or Iowa vs SR Non Collegiate guys.So the two biggest teams(both in rankings and viewership) in wrestling opt out of this event, and your immediate response is that they aren't about wrestling? Very odd conclusion... The NLWC would be a heavy, heavy favorite to win the Cup. So why aren't they competing? Dig a little deeper here and ask yourself what might be some of the reasons, because "not very wrestling of Iowa or PSU" certainly isn't it.
Does the fact that Iowa's team would primarily be college wrestlers become an issue with compliance? Would they even be able to cash out on any of the payments if they were to win?🤷♂️🤷♂️
Do the NLWC and HWC see much more benefit hosting their own events through Rokfin and Track, maintaining control of the match-ups, revenue, compliance, and yes even health, of their teams?
Do PSU and Iowa see Flo as trying to make a power play/money grab on RTC's and don't want to give up control/value/revenue of their own teams?
Do they foresee negative consequences of RTC's possibly morphing into a "Pro" league in regards to the current college/RTC relationship and don't want to jeopardize that format?
Is it something more?
I don't know if any of the above are true or just bs, just some random thoughts that I had on the situation....
All that I know is that it isn't because Iowa and PSU are "not very wrestling".
I don't care at all about thatLike him or hate him, Flo is a much inferior product without Willie. Other than the films they produce, which are top quality, they come off as very amateurish. Suing the former face of the company? What a douche bag move.
Lol you are unsure but took the time to write all that. College kids are competing in it, so it’s not about compliance. Iowa is hosting another event, but this would’ve been a golden opportunity to get matches. Again this goes back to competing which it what it should be about.So the two biggest teams(both in rankings and viewership) in wrestling opt out of this event, and your immediate response is that they aren't about wrestling? Very odd conclusion... The NLWC would be a heavy, heavy favorite to win the Cup. So why aren't they competing? Dig a little deeper here and ask yourself what might be some of the reasons, because "not very wrestling of Iowa or PSU" certainly isn't it.
Does the fact that Iowa's team would primarily be college wrestlers become an issue with compliance? Would they even be able to cash out on any of the payments if they were to win?🤷♂️🤷♂️
Do the NLWC and HWC see much more benefit hosting their own events through Rokfin and Track, maintaining control of the match-ups, revenue, compliance, and yes even health, of their teams?
Do PSU and Iowa see Flo as trying to make a power play/money grab on RTC's and don't want to give up control/value/revenue of their own teams?
Do they foresee negative consequences of RTC's possibly morphing into a "Pro" league in regards to the current college/RTC relationship and don't want to jeopardize that format?
Is it something more?
I don't know if any of the above are true or just bs, just some random thoughts that I had on the situation....
All that I know is that it isn't because Iowa and PSU are "not very wrestling".
Lol you are unsure but took the time to write all that.
College kids are competing in it, so it’s not about compliance.
Iowa is hosting another event, but this would’ve been a golden opportunity to get matches. Again this goes back to competing which it what it should be about.
Just some thoughts--I wont get into a debate on any of it.
#1 Compliance controls a LOT-- and it IS different at many Universities
#2 Coach has had issues with some things Flo says but his overall relationship is good.
#3 HWC showdown 1 was held in Iowa City-- It would not have happened if not.
#4 Covid cases have spiked-- HWC Showdown #2 planning is on "hold"
I don't care at all about that
Have you seen the club cup rosters? They teams are absolutely stacked. Very confused what you’re talking about.If I had my way Iowa would wrestle 2 meets per week 12 months out of the year, but I take what I can get. I gladly paid the money for the last HWC event and it delivered. I don't go to the movies or out to eat any more, so I have a little pocket change to dedicate to future HWC events.
As far as the Club Cup goes, at first it sounds like a great idea but after thinking about it, I would rather do events where DD and TNT are free to choose who we compete against. I'd rather see events that challenge us than see us wrestle a club that someone else picks. If our coaches want to wrestle an entire club team, they can work that out, but it leaves us free to book top talent, which is what made Showdown #1 so great.
If our guys want to be the best, wrestling potential cupcakes is not the answer. Kem and AD learned a lot more in their matches at the HWC event than if they wrestled some random club guy that is a potential pushover. If an outside interest is booking matches, who knows what the matches will look like. Our coaches proved they are going to challenge our guys and that's a formula that worked and it's fine by me.
Flo is better than ever economically right now thoughYou may not, but Flo is proving to be less economically viable without Willie. And they know it.
This has to be true, With them having mini tournaments and club tournaments worth hundreds of thousand of dollars, plus they sign a coverage contract with the UWW.Flo is better than ever economically right now though
I’m not sure that this is true. What evidence?Flo is better than ever economically right now though
This has to be true, With them having mini tournaments and club tournaments worth hundreds of thousand of dollars, plus they sign a coverage contract with the UWW.
take or leave it Flo‘s coverage is expanding the sport and allowing fans like myself to watch more wrestling! I will maintain a subscription until there is something better, which I don’t see.
I’m not sure what you are referring to honestly, all I know is they have good wrestling coverage. I hope they have Better Competitors soon! Track is okPlus they have a million dollars to waste on a frivolous lawsuit
Willie had a non compete clause in his contract I'm pretty sure and Flo is suing him because he broke itI’m not sure what you are referring to honestly, all I know is they have good wrestling coverage. I hope they have Better Competitors soon! Track is ok
Oh the Willie thing I was wondering where that guy was. This what happens when lawyers get involved.Willie had a non compete clause in his contract I'm pretty sure and Flo is suing him because he broke it
People still think a dude with 20k followers is going to take down the biggest wrestling website/supporter. It's truly unbelievable at this point
Are they really? You are looking at the finished product, best case scenario. Going in to this, when HWC would have had to commit, would we be assured of who we were facing? The line up's don't get set until you have all the teams in, even then you never know. If you look at the possible wrestlers at each weight for each team, some of these guys are not name brand guys.Have you seen the club cup rosters? They teams are absolutely stacked. Very confused what you’re talking about.
Are they really? You are looking at the finished product, best case scenario. Going in to this, when HWC would have had to commit, would we be assured of who we were facing? The line up's don't get set until you have all the teams in, even then you never know. If you look at the possible wrestlers at each weight for each team, some of these guys are not name brand guys.
When you sign up for something like this, it's out of your control. No offense, but I am not all that interested in watching the bull take on Elroy Perkins or Spencer wrestle Dylan Ragusin or Warner wrestle Timmy McCall - even though he did go 3-2 at NCAAs back in '15. Not sure I call that "absolutely stacked".
Based on the last event, I trust the coaches to book their own, vs turning it over to someone else.
Ragusin is a better matchup than Zach Sanders and we all had to watch that one.Are they really? You are looking at the finished product, best case scenario. Going in to this, when HWC would have had to commit, would we be assured of who we were facing? The line up's don't get set until you have all the teams in, even then you never know. If you look at the possible wrestlers at each weight for each team, some of these guys are not name brand guys.
When you sign up for something like this, it's out of your control. No offense, but I am not all that interested in watching the bull take on Elroy Perkins or Spencer wrestle Dylan Ragusin or Warner wrestle Timmy McCall - even though he did go 3-2 at NCAAs back in '15. Not sure I call that "absolutely stacked".
Based on the last event, I trust the coaches to book their own, vs turning it over to someone else.
Here you are proving my point " Spencer could have Vito, Mueller, Micic and bull could face Dake, Mekhi, Massa." And you are also ignoring the fact that, at a point when HWC would have had to commit, these line-ups were unknown. Who knows, maybe HWC agrees to this and Cyclone WC decides to jump in too and we end up with our studs vs. clowns. It's easy to make a judgement after the fact. When you're a leader, these are things you need to be aware of before you agree to something.Ragusin is a better matchup than Zach Sanders and we all had to watch that one.
Warner just wrestled Glazier for goodness sakes. Mccall is a WTT qualifier and placed at Senior US opens.
So the worst possible matchups that you could find are better than the last match for both Spencer and Warner. This is completely ignoring the fact that Spencer could have Vito, Mueller, Micic and bull could face Dake, Mekhi, Massa.
Lol, nice cherry picking. Those guys are the backups (Ragusin and McCall to Micic and Mike Mach) except for maybe Elroy Perkins since the Gopher RTC is borrowing Wick.
I’m sure Brands/HWC has valid reasons for declining. But I’m also sure the fear of not getting good competition wasn’t one of them
Yes and will be more before Friday.With Covid and contract tracing it's gonna happenApparently Sammy Brooks will be wrestling now as Myles Martin is out? Also Dake and Max and Gabe Dean are out as well. Weird...
Like him or hate him, Flo is a much inferior product without Willie. Other than the films they produce, which are top quality, they come off as very amateurish. Suing the former face of the company? What a douche bag move.
Without Willie they come off as amateurish? Are you implying that Willie has come off as professional at some point in his career?
I know he has had a tumultuous relationship on this board and said some silly things. I have always found him to be an incredibly insightful, knowledgeable, accessible , and hard working guy. Dude is passionate and does a lot for the sport of wrestling. Flo is an inferior product without him.
I think Flo Wrestling has taken a big hit to their "reputation" in the last year. However I think your right on being better economically. Wrestling has kind of been their stand alone content producer for Flo. The other sports they carry haven't generated a lot of subscriptions I would guess up until this last year. Flo Racing has blown up this year. I would argue and this is opinion but the subscriptions brought in by Racing are close to equal what they have in wrestling. If they indeed are going to lose the B1G which as I understand is rumor at this point Racing may pass the Wrestling side of things.Flo is better than ever economically right now though
Yes it is not true that Flo is better than ever. I don’t know anything about their other sports verticals, but the wrestling one is hurting.I think Flo Wrestling has taken a big hit to their "reputation" in the last year. However I think your right on being better economically. Wrestling has kind of been their stand alone content producer for Flo. The other sports they carry haven't generated a lot of subscriptions I would guess up until this last year. Flo Racing has blown up this year. I would argue and this is opinion but the subscriptions brought in by Racing are close to equal what they have in wrestling. If they indeed are going to lose the B1G which as I understand is rumor at this point Racing may pass the Wrestling side of things.