I like what Campbell's doing in Ames. The Clones play a fun brand of football. Sooner or later some big name school will make him a great offer...until then, both he and ISU are benefitting from the relationship
Schools Matt Campbell has Turned Down So Far: Washington, $7M/yr
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Seattle and the NW part of the US is pretty country in all, but it's not God's country by any means....plus the other garbage. I'm not an Ames fan but count me in to stay in Iowa.
I know. The message I quoted was about the coach from WSU getting fired for not getting the vax.
I think you're confused. It was the WSU coach who wasn't vaccinated. I'd be very surprised if Campbell isn't, considering the way he handled the covid thing with the team last year.
I couldn’t live there either but I’d take it ten times over Lames. It’s one of the most beautiful cities in the country. It’s jus too cloudy and rainy for me.
Seattle is ok if you like rain, lots and lots of rain. Also, if you don't mind stepping over street people every time you go downtown.
I suppose if you like Antifa and autonomous zones.
stupid aspiration wise but smart financially. like KF he can make way more winning 8 games a year for 20 years at ISU.
He also does PSAs telling people to get vaccinated which would be very strange for someone who won’t get the vaccine.
With all due respect, some of you guys need to travel a bit more.
Seattle has its f***ed up progressive douchebags (did I say that right?), but it's still a world class city in a beautful area. (Most of the idiocy you read about happens in a 4x4 block area downtown. It's a much larger metro) The University of Washington ranks much higher than ISMoo in most every measure. (other than animal husbandry) The area in general is incredibly beautiful.
Yes, it's known for the rainy season but it doesn't ice up for weeks at a time or have a snow pack other than on the mountains. It's a much more temperate winter than Iowa.
Seattle vs Ames, IA. Please. It ain't even close. The only person who might think so would be...well...one from Ames.
Seattle has its f***ed up progressive douchebags (did I say that right?), but it's still a world class city in a beautful area. (Most of the idiocy you read about happens in a 4x4 block area downtown. It's a much larger metro) The University of Washington ranks much higher than ISMoo in most every measure. (other than animal husbandry) The area in general is incredibly beautiful.
Yes, it's known for the rainy season but it doesn't ice up for weeks at a time or have a snow pack other than on the mountains. It's a much more temperate winter than Iowa.
Seattle vs Ames, IA. Please. It ain't even close. The only person who might think so would be...well...one from Ames.
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No worries ... thanks for the details about the specifics concerning tier 1, tier 2, and tier 3 deals. That's not something I usually pay much attention to.
Given the quality of programs like Oklahoma State and Iowa State ... what do you forecast will be the future of the conference?
Did you just type that (worst power 5 program of all time) Iowa State and 2 time national champion (and 2016 playoff participant) Washington have similar program prestige?
Is your brain broken?
I love the Pacific Northwest. Most beautiful part of the country.
I like the food in Seattle. There are definitely things to do there ... which is cool. Since my political leanings are pretty far left of center ... I appreciate that they're not crazy conservative. However, on the flip side ... I have some conservative friends whom I trust who've been critical (in a fair way) of their experiences with how some of the liberalism in the pacific northwest can be stupidly dogmatic. I draw the line at dogmatism ... I abhor nearly any form of dogmatism (I'm quite dogmatic on my stand against dogmatism).
However, on the flip side ... it can be rainy as shit (depending on the season). Furthermore, the traffic there is absolutely horrendous ... not a fan of that either.
Also, like many formerly cool places ... it's sadly gotten too "yuppified."
Like any place ... you take the good with the bad.
It would be interesting to see the math and assumptions behind those calculators. I’m very aware of the difference in housing but I feel like a year or two at that $2.7m/yr higher salary should pretty well cover that difference. For reference I saw that Lincoln Riley’s contract included getting a $6m house in the LA area. So rough math assume that same place would cost just $1m in Ames so a $5m difference.
And then your biggest expense (housing) is covered and every year after that you can pocket the higher salary. I get all of the other things that can cost more (private school, taxes, restaurants, etc) but just struggling to see how that adds up to $2.7m more every year of a 10yr coaching contract.
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They could pay Saban $50 million annually and they'd be getting him on the cheap based on what he generates for that university
What it indicates to me is he might be afraid to coach at a school with higher expectations then he has now.
And maybe, just maybe, he's having doubts about his own coaching abilities given how his team fell on their faces this season.
Is there really much difference in $4M/year in Gilbert Iowa vs $7M at another school. You can't spend $4M a year in Iowa.
Bottom line to me... Matty doesn't have confidence in himself to take a high pressure gig.
There are few cities in the United States as beautiful as Seattle in the summer. It's unreal.
Maybe I'm the only one that agrees with MC on this one. UW does have a lot of positives, but not enough (even 3 mil/year more) for me to take the job.
Any coach making $4 mill a year really don't have too much to worry about. Most wives can't spend that kind of money 😇
It doesn’t…apparently math is hard. You’d be looking at almost 15 million in a 5 year span according to my ‘old math.’ That is definitely worth the move in my broke ass position.
Don James was 150-60 there and shared a natty. Has anyone achieved anything like that in Ames?
To be fair, the quality of programs in the new Big 12 might include two playoff teams this year.
I have family that's UDub alumni and donors and from everything I've been hearing from them and their donor friends (2nd hand info) is that interest was expressed in Campbell but they never formally made an offer. Also, for the people talking about the lowball offers, remember that they still need to find a men's basketball coach and they're still paying on some sort of softball discrimination suit. I believe it was softball. Too lazy to look it up
There are a lot of reasons why someone might turn down that job. Being afraid of the higher expectations is certainly one of them, but not the only reason. I don't like Ames at all (spent too much time there since my daughter - no pics - is a Senior there now). However, I have zero interest in living in a large metropolitan area. I'd take $4 mil in Ames over $7 mil in Seattle all day long. Better job security, lower crime, just a more pleasant, worry free life style in Ames. I don't know if he has kids, but not uprooting them and having them grow up and be educated in a medium sized college town means a lot to a family man. I'm not assuming MC is a family man, but I am, so turning that down would be a no-brainer for me.
People have a tendency to make assumptions about other people's motivation based on their own personal beliefs, desires, and preferences.
People have a tendency to make assumptions about other people's motivation based on their own personal beliefs, desires, and preferences.
If I could forecast the future of ANY conference, I'd sell the information, not give it away on a message board
. But since you asked, here are some semi-educated guesses:* It will remain a "power" conference in terms of getting an assured spot in an expanded playoff format;
* The bowl affiliations won't be that much worse, largely because they aren't very good now;
* The payout to each school will be significantly less than it is now, although the effects won't kick in until 2027 or 2028;
* It will be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, basketball conferences in the country;
* There will be further reorganizations.
Some of you have your heads in the sand by just looking at the dollar amounts. Yes money is usually very high up on the reasons why coaches switch jobs but it’s been pointed out by several posters that when you account for cost of living it’s not that much more.
Plus he’s worshiped in Ames, he can go 7-5 every year and Clown fans will build him a statue. It wouldn’t surprise me if he isn’t holding out for better offers, possibly even Notre Dame, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed put. If he’s as good as everyone says he is there will be other jobs with better offers.
Plus he’s worshiped in Ames, he can go 7-5 every year and Clown fans will build him a statue. It wouldn’t surprise me if he isn’t holding out for better offers, possibly even Notre Dame, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed put. If he’s as good as everyone says he is there will be other jobs with better offers.
B12 has already been dropped from the Power Conference ranks. Did it get an invite to the Alliance? No. Well, there's your answer. It's already been decided.If I could forecast the future of ANY conference, I'd sell the information, not give it away on a message board
* It will remain a "power" conference in terms of getting an assured spot in an expanded playoff format;
* The bowl affiliations won't be that much worse, largely because they aren't very good now;
* The payout to each school will be significantly less than it is now, although the effects won't kick in until 2027 or 2028;
* It will be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, basketball conferences in the country;
* There will be further reorganizations.
Exactly how I feel.
He can turn in “decent” results at a traditional bottom feeder like ISU and be considered a god. But if he needs to consistently win 9+ games……he’s in trouble.
He can only win 7-8 games at ISU for so long before their fans get restless and want more and want someone to take them over the hump and beat Iowa, win a conference championship, high rankings, etc. They've done it before with Dan Mac and to a lesser extent Rhoads. MC should take a long hard look at where their careers are out and what happens to those that stay in Ames too long.
The school Campbell was linked to is a public university in Washington State. It's a state law. Doesn't matter where the other coach is from. Campbell's reported offer was from UW which is in Seattle.
Did you not read what you were responding to?
Washington was very good under coach Don James in the 1980's. They went to two consecutive Rose Bowls in 1981, where they lost to Michigan, 23-6, and in 1982, where they beat Iowa, 28-0.
To be fair when you have to project future alignment as current results, you obviously don't have an argument support today's reality. The "New Big 12" is now the NEW talking point for the Clones...was are scraping the bottom.
