Schools Matt Campbell has Turned Down So Far: Washington, $7M/yr
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Well the Clones hit their goals set by the head coach this year from what I understand!
Look for Campbell to get the ND job.
OK, so the Big XII and the SEC aren't power conferences. Good to know.
Maybe MC likes the KF model. He could go 7-5 or 8-4 on average, then every 4 or 5 years have a 9 or 10 win season. He would have a great, stable life. What nobody is talking about though is maybe it isn't all about winning for everyone. Especially a national championship. Maybe it is a out enjoying what you are doing and who you do it with.
Put it this way. Would you rather be a coach making 5 million a year with little pressure and job stability, or go to a program that pays you 10 million with expectations of winning the national title every year, and when you don't you are out. Ask Ed Orgeron how he feels about that.
I think there are programs that may look great on the outside but a coach would be absolutely miserable working there. Like who would really say, hey, I loved coaching at Texas. The alumni and boosters were so easy to work with and the players really had a great attitude to want to get better everyday. I loved the culture there! I think no one. You would have to be an absolutely dominating type person to change any of that at a place like that, like a Saban who had won at a other places. If you are an up and Comer they will just swallow you up and spit you out.
At the end of the day, maybe MC just doesn't want to deal with the bullshit. He knows his next move is make or break for him and there has to be a lot of things in place for him to feel like he can succeed.
Put it this way. Would you rather be a coach making 5 million a year with little pressure and job stability, or go to a program that pays you 10 million with expectations of winning the national title every year, and when you don't you are out. Ask Ed Orgeron how he feels about that.
I think there are programs that may look great on the outside but a coach would be absolutely miserable working there. Like who would really say, hey, I loved coaching at Texas. The alumni and boosters were so easy to work with and the players really had a great attitude to want to get better everyday. I loved the culture there! I think no one. You would have to be an absolutely dominating type person to change any of that at a place like that, like a Saban who had won at a other places. If you are an up and Comer they will just swallow you up and spit you out.
At the end of the day, maybe MC just doesn't want to deal with the bullshit. He knows his next move is make or break for him and there has to be a lot of things in place for him to feel like he can succeed.
While the strength of the big 12 without OK and TX will be drop significantly, playing in the new big 12 will force Cincinnati to play a tougher schedule than they do now.
I think Notre Dame shops from a higher shelf. Luke Fickell would be the ideal hire for ND.
The Big 12 may miss OU but not Texas. Cincinnati, BYU, and Houston are already better than Texas, and Texas to the SEC will not help them. Just ask Texas A&M and Missouri.
Yep, alumni and boosters would squash any talk of Campball.
But if I'm Matty, I'm using this as leverage to get more $$$ for himself and the staff from Jimmie.
I liked Mac and Rhoads a lot, but what they did really isn't comparable to what Campbell has done, other than the initial turnaround by Mac. It would take some serious losing by Campbell to have the fanbase turn on him at this point.
they went to 5 Rose Bowls total under Don James. The ones you mention and Washington’s greatest run which was 90-93 including Rose Bowls in 91, 92, 93 (Won a National Championship in that window too! 91 season 92 rose bowl team)
Even more recently Chris Petersen won 12, 10 and 10 from 2016-2108 before he suddenly stepped down a year later.
Washington has great potential, plenty of success in their past and one loud home field advantage
Do you really think this will be true when it's time for the Big 12 to negotiate a new media rights deal?
Cincy, BYU, and Houston play sh*t schedules.
The foundation for your equation (cost of living) is valid, but your logic is flawed.
He's not going to spend the entire salary. The cost of living diff only comes into play with housing, daily living expenses, etc. The bulk of a $7M salary is getting invested. Doesn't matter where you invest from...the market is the market. You can put your money anywhere.
Campbell will wait until an offer comes along at a place where he can be successful, and he has zero recruiting ties or knowledge of the pac 10 and the Pacific Northwest. He’s an Ohio guy through and through, and it’s very difficult to imagine him taking a job that isn’t in the Midwest, or close to it. It’s also almost impossible to imagine him staying long term in Ames. He’s not that stupid.
As I mentioned before, he went to a high school that was in the shadow of what once was a national powerhouse football program, once coached by Paul Brown himself. His father coached at Jackson, which was the third best school in Massillon Ohio, in the Cleveland area. Both father and son no doubt want to go to a place where they feel like they can be the big dog. But they were stuck at Jackson, the littler of the two little brothers in the district.
Zero chance that Iowa State can be the big dog in Iowa or in the Midwest, especially since the big 12 is going to lose half of its TV revenue relative to what they would have had with Texas and OU, Per school, because they will have to divide a much smaller pie among more members, and those members each have programs with revenue and fanbases minuscule in comparison to the big time programs that once made the big 12 a great conference. The new members of the big 12 are awash in debt, and have to rely on student fees for much of their revenue. That isn’t sustainable either and has been an ongoing scandal at a few of the campuses, especially Cincinnati, who is having their flash in the pan year, like Boise.
There’s no way that Iowa State can keep up with Iowa and that eats at him like nothing else I imagine. Just like it ate at him and his father that they couldn’t keep up with the HS program at Washington in Massillon, A school that would win national championship after national championship because they basically recruited nationally: Jobs provided to families, cheap housing, cars, whatever it took from the boosters.
I could see Campbell wanting to go to Notre Dame, or join the B10 or SEC or NFL.
The big 12 is not sustainable as a power conference and Iowa State is not sustainable as a big time program. We saw that played out in reality on the field even this so-called magical season for them, filled with seniors and super seniors and all Americans that will jump to the league ASAP. They all see the writing on the wall.
It’s not a question of if Campbell leaves, it’s when and where. And whoever they get in his place, will be a big step down, and their stint will be even shorter and more of a steppingstone then Campbell. Simply not a stable place or program for any great coach or recruit to invest in.
As I mentioned before, he went to a high school that was in the shadow of what once was a national powerhouse football program, once coached by Paul Brown himself. His father coached at Jackson, which was the third best school in Massillon Ohio, in the Cleveland area. Both father and son no doubt want to go to a place where they feel like they can be the big dog. But they were stuck at Jackson, the littler of the two little brothers in the district.
Zero chance that Iowa State can be the big dog in Iowa or in the Midwest, especially since the big 12 is going to lose half of its TV revenue relative to what they would have had with Texas and OU, Per school, because they will have to divide a much smaller pie among more members, and those members each have programs with revenue and fanbases minuscule in comparison to the big time programs that once made the big 12 a great conference. The new members of the big 12 are awash in debt, and have to rely on student fees for much of their revenue. That isn’t sustainable either and has been an ongoing scandal at a few of the campuses, especially Cincinnati, who is having their flash in the pan year, like Boise.
There’s no way that Iowa State can keep up with Iowa and that eats at him like nothing else I imagine. Just like it ate at him and his father that they couldn’t keep up with the HS program at Washington in Massillon, A school that would win national championship after national championship because they basically recruited nationally: Jobs provided to families, cheap housing, cars, whatever it took from the boosters.
I could see Campbell wanting to go to Notre Dame, or join the B10 or SEC or NFL.
The big 12 is not sustainable as a power conference and Iowa State is not sustainable as a big time program. We saw that played out in reality on the field even this so-called magical season for them, filled with seniors and super seniors and all Americans that will jump to the league ASAP. They all see the writing on the wall.
It’s not a question of if Campbell leaves, it’s when and where. And whoever they get in his place, will be a big step down, and their stint will be even shorter and more of a steppingstone then Campbell. Simply not a stable place or program for any great coach or recruit to invest in.
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When Campbell took the ISU job he had comments similar to what KF has said about potential stability in Iowa City. He may well value that stability over other, potentially transient factors
I simply (and naively) just plugged the numbers into a cost-of-living calculator.
Does the calculator assume that the individual spends all that cash? ... hell if I know!
However, I've lived in many parts around the country ... and, while getting paid a lower salary in the midwest, I've managed to save (and invest) more money than I ever managed when I lived on the coasts.
But sure ... there is certainly a monetary point where you can certainly save and invest more if you're simply paid so much more.
However, I'd also contend that on the coasts ... it's also easier to find more ways to spend and/or lose money (higher taxes, higher regional insurance rates, schooling costs, etc).
I agree, Campbell lost a few too many games for the blue bloods to be all that interested. Which is also why he's getting low balled offers (like the WSU offer), if the Clowns were in the B12 championship game Campbell would be in much higher demand.
Not attacking you, just pointing out that it might not be that big a deal. "Hey if I'm moving to Seattle you need to bridge some of that cost"...etc. I'm sure some bonus thing would be put into place to cover the cost of a house in Seattle vs (L)ames.
Either way, I think UW is a clear upgrade from ISMoo
Yep. The "look what he did at a school like ISU" thing isn't as powerful as many think. The football savvy know that the "big" 12 hasn't exactly been a juggernaut. As you said, he had one "great" season...during the Covid year, and it was 9-3. Not to mention that what was supposed to be his best team this year hugely underperformed...arguably the most underperforming team in the country if you look at preseason projections.
No idea where he'll end up or if he'll move on this year...but I'm getting the sense from his increasingly strange press conferences that he's a bit confused himself. WTF happened this year? How did my locker room become divided when I preach culture? Do I take a better job or stay here and play the loyalty game? What if I stay and we end up 6-6 next year?
Matty has really looked like a deer in the headlights the last few weeks.
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No, the poster to whom I responded did that with the argument that not being included in the Alliance proved a school was not in the "power" category.
Yeah ... no worries.
I was just mentioning that I didn't put a huge effort into the background of my post ... so I'm happy to be corrected. When you use third party resources, there are bound to be "gaps."
Agreed.
I've also lived in Ankeny, Iowa City, Waterloo and Marshalltown so I have an idea of what Ames might be like.
Hint: It's virtually indistinguishable from Lincoln, Ne
Cincy, BYU and Houston were better THIS season and Texas was down. (the did provide us with a shining example of big12 defense, though)
How that plays out long term remains to be seen. With 9,11,11 win seasons you have to think Fickell will end up with a Blue Blood. Houston has had a great year too...but the AAC isn't the highest level of competition. BYU...who knows? Sitake has had his best season in 2021 but can they sustain it?Texas is what Nebraska thinks they are...a potential NC contender waiting to happen. With all that talent in Texas and plenty of $$ they'll be back once they hire the right coach. (Sarkisian isn't it)
I need to put down the coffee and get to work.
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For the time being, he's in the perfect situation at ISU. He's nowhere close to being on the hot seat there, and his camp can keep floating talk about all of these offers as leverage to get more money. It's a situation where he knows ISU needs him more than he needs ISU. Now, should the time come the B12 loses power conference status, that may change.
These bigger schools hire someone, they're expecting at least NY6 bowls or bust within 3 years, and when they don't produce that coaches stock virtually vanishes.
These bigger schools hire someone, they're expecting at least NY6 bowls or bust within 3 years, and when they don't produce that coaches stock virtually vanishes.
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lol, two times in the last couple years there have been 70+ car pileups on I 35 near Ames due to black ice. Horrible winters.
God forbid he'd have to experience some rain.
Come on LC...you can be pretty reasonable some times, then you go all cyclone irrational and post this kinda crap. You know full well that the alliance was an alliance against the SEC. Of course they're not in it, but not because they're not a power conference. As an alliance of power conferences, any other conference left out is left out because they're not part of the equation.
But you knew all this...you were just pulling the cyclone crap poster obtuse response card that is so old and tire. You're better than that.
The point is as far as quality of teams, I think you can project that the Big 12 will still be playing good football. Whether that remains 10 years from now is TBD.
The Missouri Valley plays “good” football. Good football that nobody watches. That will be the new Big 12. Your contracts and earnings will be mid-tier. Not Power 4.
Understand what you are saying....I think if we are to project about THIS year's playoffs for example, IF Cincy were in the Big12 this year would their record be the same? If not (which I would tend to agree with) then they would not be in the playoff discussion most likely....or they would be knocking someone else out that might get in like OSU or Baylor. That's all.
Perfectly stated.
The point is that all wagers for the Little12 will be quite small indeed, like their budgets and tv revenues compared to the B10 and SEC, all of which affect recruiting and relevance and sustainability going forward.
ISU is going to offer him more money.
B12 is going to get EASIER.
What’s an extra $2m a year for added stress and a chance you might be looking for another job in 3 years?
B12 is going to get EASIER.
What’s an extra $2m a year for added stress and a chance you might be looking for another job in 3 years?
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On whether the Big XII will get a spot in an expanded playoff.
If we're being honest, it isn't the kind of thing that lends itself to a bet. At this point, it looks like the conference might have 13 or 14 teams for a couple of years.
