We always lose when we go west because we need to have 4 days or more out there because of JET LAG We beat Washington because they suffered from JET LAG.
Scott Dochterman (of the Athletic) wonders why IOWA fans want the Coaches fired after every loss
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Using Iowa as an example for unique is odd because we literally are the outlier here for reasons beyond what other schools are facing. There's no other program to compare us to because nobody else has had the same coach for 26 years, at least not recently. How many other schools have ever dealt with that scenario in football and, more importantly, how many of them dealt with it without a bonafide powerhouse program or winning record to justify the length of time? For comparison, similar coaches in length at one school, Joe Pa had national championships under his belt and so did Bobby Bowden. I'm sure there are people calling for Whittinghams head right now at Utah as well and to a comparable degree.
2 shared B1G titles, the most losses and wins in B1G history merely due to it being in the modern era of football/length of time, and one BCS bowl win make him unquestionable in this role? 26 years is a lot of time to get these things checked off. He did all of his real trophy hunting in the first 12 years of his career here. What about the last 14?
He's not factoring in the unavoidable fatigue factor enough. It appears more vitriolic and only after every loss because we've been collectively, mostly, fed up with KF for many years. This has been mounting. It's not a sudden reactive outcry independent to each specific gane. This is a bad take.
Let them build you a damn statue and ride off into the sunset Kirk. It's been time!
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Couldn't pass because qb was running for his life
I don't think KF is even close to getting on the hotset to get on the hotseat, so the Ferentz fatique is noise level. To me lack of NIL is bigger issue than who is head coach.
Anger/Negative posts after losses is pretty typical. The normal shill posters getting angry about other poster getting angry is also typical.
To me It was shocking to see UCLA shut down our run game. I don't think it was shocking to long-time hawk fans to see us struggle at a West Coast Venue. I also think it was shocking that a nobody QB like Stratton looked more effective than McNamara has most of this season.
Anger/Negative posts after losses is pretty typical. The normal shill posters getting angry about other poster getting angry is also typical.
To me It was shocking to see UCLA shut down our run game. I don't think it was shocking to long-time hawk fans to see us struggle at a West Coast Venue. I also think it was shocking that a nobody QB like Stratton looked more effective than McNamara has most of this season.
It takes longer for some people to notice trends.
I am guessing next year is it. Anything beyond that, and you have to extend the contract again for recruiting purposes.
I think next year is going to be rough, too. He may start feeling the weight of it.
NIL will change the landscape of D1. Fans will wane as the cost is passed along to them to field a team. The student will no longer be a part of the athlete.I think with NIL, we will fall even further behind.
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A new division will be spawned and outside of the top 20 NIL teams, the new division will be formed and distance itself from ncaa.
Oh and the fans are just in their criticism of the team, Iowa has started circling the bowl for the past 6yrs. 8 wins a year and being the best of the worst starts to wear on one even the most patient bases.
Why did UCLA win last week in Lincoln? Why did Minnesota beat UCLA in Pasadena? Reverse jet lag? I don't buy that shit one bit. Unless the players personally grew feathers and flew out with their arms (which would explain the shoulder tackling and inability to wrap up).
It’s funny you bring up a weak strength of schedule. Why do you think Iowa played those crappy teams so often? Those teams Iowa played (and beat) share a lot of similarities to Iowa based on resources, prestige, location.
Whether people want to see it or not, Kirk probably has the best non-blueblood Midwest program right now. How do people not see that a program shift is very likely to turn Iowa into a worse B10 West program? Then you have to try to claw your way back up the totem pole to where the program is now. It’s just dumb. Once you see Iowa start slipping down below its peers, then clamoring for change might have some merit.
Obviously, Dochterman hasn’t taken the time to see all the B1q0 Championship and National Title banners that fly of Kinnick’s South End Zone! The history….the pageantry and the WINNING of Iowa football and this guy just don’t get it!
In a week, you lost your “back-up” QB to a concussion, then you lost your 3rd team QB to a broken finger and surgery, then you lose your starting QB during the game to a leg injury……and suddenly, you are forced to use your 4th team QM…….Shit happens! Thankfully, it doesn’t happen very often. But c’mon this stuff happens!
Indiana has played a pretty easy schedule. They finally play a team with a pulse next (Ohio State).
Iowa always loses the big game when it matters. Or they win the big game (although a long time now) when the season is already over. Michigan 2016. Ohio Staye 2017.
Too many on this board under estimate the affects of traveling to the coast. I use to fly to California frequently on business and the time change kicks your ass. Generally takes 4-5 days to adjust. Hawks look good to start but ran out of gas.
One more point. I've traveled to three rose bowl games. That stadium needs a major face lift and the field conditions looked awful.
True, but, they have been pretty dominate. Michigan figured to be a challenge, lot of pressure to go 10-0 when not a normal level for Indiana
Yeah I am going to have to outright call the game rigged if they compete with OSU. Because basically what you are saying at that point is James Madison could have competed with OSU, Oregon, PSU, Bama, Georgia???? Yeah I don't think so.
Not an excuse. They do it in the NFL. Now we do it in the B10, so it can not be an excuse or a crutch. Granted I don't think the B10 should schedule west coast games that late, because over half the country is in bed and so ratings can not be that great, but it is still no excuse. ((that was a pretty late game, like I said I went to bed at the start of the 3rd quarter and I am an Iowa fan and we were still very much in the ball game. SO I imagine the ratings could not have been very good.)
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Indiana is on EST and went out there and dismantled ucla. The goofs went out there too and won.
It’s simple for me:
We are non-competitive against good teams. Lifeless, some would say.
We used to be a pain in everyone’s ass.
The end.
We are non-competitive against good teams. Lifeless, some would say.
We used to be a pain in everyone’s ass.
The end.
Exactly this! Iowa fans have been beyond gracious and accepting. We're trying our best to stay behind the program during this transitional phase but it's been very difficult, at least, for me often.
That's what I take offense to regarding Chads post. Most fanbases wouldn't have been this kind at this point. Hell, it's only recently that people have been overtly obvious in their desire for a change. What's more, even some the most ardent defenders are even beginning to wane (like Markj). Eyes is a lost cause of course and already appeared drunk at 0900 this morning based on his other posts but outside of the really stubborn/oblivious people like him, it's been quite obvious to all that a change needs to occur.
A few things in response:
1) Doodle's main beef is with Dochterman and his statistical cherry picking.
2) Doodle agrees that Kirk Ferentz runs a fairly solid, reasonably competitive program.
3) Doodle doesn't want Kirk Ferentz to be unceremoniously fired.
4) Kirk Ferentz is not immortal.
Because Jonesy thinks it's cool. That's why.
I'm fine with a change of coaching but Iowa will always be this type of program, in my opinion. Solid top 25 most years, occasional breakout season of a top 10 when you have a lot of upperclassmen. Lose some games they shouldn't. Win some games they shouldn't.
I've been alive almost 5 decades and it's always been this way (or worse) since I've been alive. Now bring on the "So you're fine with not winning championships or trying" crowd. Yes, I'm cool with the program as it's been for all these years. Generally, not a program that you have to be embarrassed to be a fan of on or off the field. I really do believe that we're in for some bad years after Kirk retires.
I've been alive almost 5 decades and it's always been this way (or worse) since I've been alive. Now bring on the "So you're fine with not winning championships or trying" crowd. Yes, I'm cool with the program as it's been for all these years. Generally, not a program that you have to be embarrassed to be a fan of on or off the field. I really do believe that we're in for some bad years after Kirk retires.
Even if there was a complete change of staff, the new staff needs more money to spend on players. No one is coming in with the same pool of money to work with and won't lose games.
I think MOST fans have been ready to move on for a few seasons. The offensive disaster with BF the last TWO seasons was the final straw. (It was for me).
Being ready to move on from Kirk, doesn't mean I'm not going to get excited when we finally play a QB that is a threat to run and we beat the sh*t out of Wisconsin.
I think most fans that are ready for a change would say the same thing.... Get exited/hopeful that something positive is happening with a win, but it's cautious optimism and still would be fine with FINALLY having a different head coach.
Like it or not, Kirk can't coach forever...
Iowans fall in love with their coaches…..This is bad for for the overall future of the program. Quite honestly, after about 6-7 years, Hayden was sniffing the USC job and Iowa fans demanding we “keep” Hayden here….If I was the AD, I think I would have wished Hayden the best of luck at his new coaching position….Kirk was rumored to be doing the same thing after his 3-4 season….Both these coaches ended upo with raises and extensions….I believe the AD has an obligation to provide the best (optimal) environment for his/her coaches at all times….and if a coach starts sniffing other jobs, it is time to cut the cord and bring in a new guy. You sign “multi-year contracts” for a reason…and it is reasonable that BOTH sides live up to the agreement. If a coach wants to leave, by all means, let them pursue their dream….if a coach has a bad year, you are obligated to support him/her fully….. In short, if I was in charge…..Kirk probably would be gone…..many years ago…..but then, so would have Hayden…..
I go into every sporting event with the expectation that we could lose. Upsets happen in sports.
3 decades! Oh yes, we’re so fuggin’ knee jerky
I was drunk at 9 this morning? Who the eff are you?
Honestly, you might need to see a doctor
