California needs to dig up whatever dirt they can and make his life hell, no matter how small. Same with the little shitbags helping him. Make them feel like only place they can live is shithole usa.
Senior USAID security officials put on leave after refusing Musk’s DOGE access to agency systems
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He does not for positions not approved by Congress. His own family didn’t even have clearance to a lot of stuff last administration.
Musk is going totally rogue with power he does not have.
Imagine if Biden could/would have given Hunter access to everything and the ability to blow up the government.
Again: unless Trump becomes a dictator and survives 4 years… Musk is going to jail. He’s very confident… which is terrifying.
He's just autistic. He really does mean well!
You tend to have unlimited power if the other branches of government (the supposed co-equal branches) have ceded their authority and checks to it.
Doesn’t make it any less illegal.
Dude it’s not even about trump anymore. Behind the scenes. The real bullshit is happening.
A dude without security clearance with full access to classified information and infinite incentive to monetize our security for personal gain. What could go wrong?
He’s always been an easily manipulated stooge. Now more people have tried to leverage that.
You say more people. You don’t say some of the richest on the planet.
Wouldn't be surprised if Trump gave him one same way he did for Jared. Couldn't get one on his own because of shady ass self.
what branch/sector of government has no oversight and access to anything they want?
He just expecting a preeptive pardon. At least on the federal side.
Well by the rule of law it is totally legal no matter your thoughts on the legality of it haha. That’s the issue at hand. Trump and his people do not care as long as they have an out to do whatever they think is advantageous to their cause. Then even if it is, the supreme court ruled That the president is basically a king last year.
Also, listen to this 15 min pod by Ezra Klein. It gives people a sense of what is actually happening right now:
“Imagine if Biden could/would have given Hunter access to everything and the ability to blow up the government.”
This is what Trump ran on with DOGE. But again, even if it is illegal do the dems actually go after Trump for doing what he is doing since he has all the immunity? The right kind of has the Left by the balls for at least 2 years
I don’t think you understand what rule of law is.
Just because it’s not being enforced, does not make it legal.
Is there a reason it isn’t being enforced?
Again, show me a link on if it is legal or not. If we have nothing out there saying it is illegal then there is no point in arguing it. America got what it voted for.
I don’t think you’re going to be swayed by any link.
At at minimum, look up the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974. And - no - I’m not going to link it. Do your own damn homework or just continue to offer “lol’s”.
I’ve done my homework which is the reason I am asking lols. I think the Supreme Court kind of put a kabash on scaring people that aren’t afraid to use the power of the presidency.
Lofgren Statement on the U.S. Supreme Court’s Presidential Immunity Decision
"I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court on this decision ."
The Court declared that a President is immune from prosecution when exercising the ‘core powers’ of the presidency. Immunity means a person cannot be prosecuted – it is not merely a defense to prosecution. Although the majority did not outline the exact ‘core powers,’ nor what would lay outside them as an ‘unofficial act’ with even one example from the case at-hand, there is no greater or clearer example of a ‘core power’ than what is outlined in Article II, Section II of the U.S. Constitution stating that the ‘President shall be the Commander in Chief.’
“During arguments on this case, a question was posed to Trump lawyers about whether a President could dispatch a ‘SEAL Team’ to kill his political enemies. Like the dissent articulated, the Court’s decision Monday answers that question with ‘yes.’ Under this ruling, if a President, in their official capacity, orders the military to kill other Americans – judges, elected officials, reporters, your neighbor – they can do so. I think most Americans, and I include myself, think that should be a crime. But the Court decision says that a President who did that would be immune from accountability under criminal law.
Which clip, which day was Stewart's podcast. I am guessing it was the Podcast with AOC? 1) The EO then vs now is overwhelmingly different 2) the actions then vs now create a large gap and I bet if my assumption on the podcast is correct, John S will have an update.
Many of the original EOs were just him bullying his way through managing. Not leading. That I agree with. Since then, I think we have veered into illegal / not permitted actions.
edit - for a full response I'd have to review the full list of EOs. But the easy quick answer is Muck killing the USAID org as a whole. Federally funded dept voted by Congress. The Pres doesn't have the ablity to wave his wand and kill a full org. And Musk certainly doesn't.
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I’ve done my homework which is the reason I am asking lols. I think the Supreme Court kind of put a kabash on scaring people that aren’t afraid to use the power of the presidency.
Lofgren Statement on the U.S. Supreme Court’s Presidential Immunity Decision
"I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court on this decision ."lofgren.house.gov
The Court declared that a President is immune from prosecution when exercising the ‘core powers’ of the presidency. Immunity means a person cannot be prosecuted – it is not merely a defense to prosecution. Although the majority did not outline the exact ‘core powers,’ nor what would lay outside them as an ‘unofficial act’ with even one example from the case at-hand, there is no greater or clearer example of a ‘core power’ than what is outlined in Article II, Section II of the U.S. Constitution stating that the ‘President shall be the Commander in Chief.’
“During arguments on this case, a question was posed to Trump lawyers about whether a President could dispatch a ‘SEAL Team’ to kill his political enemies. Like the dissent articulated, the Court’s decision Monday answers that question with ‘yes.’ Under this ruling, if a President, in their official capacity, orders the military to kill other Americans – judges, elected officials, reporters, your neighbor – they can do so. I think most Americans, and I include myself, think that should be a crime. But the Court decision says that a President who did that would be immune from accountability under criminal law.
Immunity is merely a legal concept that extends protection from liability.
Does not mean the immune acts are legal.
That’s where the argument of “core powers” come into play and who is sitting on the court.
I mean I believe how Trump is pushing his agenda through is wrong. But they can point towards this case and say it is part of his core powers.
Again: immunity does not mean legal.
I’m gonna stop debating this point with you as you don’t seem to get it. But keep offering them chuckles. It’s really funny shit.
But it is all (immunity and legality) entangled with each other and will imo fall back on the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity lols. Trump can literally order the DoJ to do his bidding and it would be considered legal as of today since that is a “core power”. The lawsuits will come and guess who has a 6-3 advantage on the Supreme Court? How do you think the right and Trump will argue when the time comes to argue in court?
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this point 95hawk.
Termination of jobs isn't the end of the usaid. Many of these people are going to be facing very long prison sentences.
Hours into week 3 and I must say even I didn't predict this level of winning.
We get it, You know so much more than everyone else.
Wanting the use of the state gov to go after an innocent citizen. Sounds about right.
Whoever is barking the loudest about this takedown of USAID are probably the ones grifting the hardest off of it,
- Leftist
- Globalist
- Marxist
- Socialist
- Communist
- Woke
- DEI
- Trans
- Liberal tears
- Antifa
- Deep State
- Illegals
- Open borders
- Migrant caravans
For what exactly? Sounds like more lawfare? Don't worry though, Trump can just use the Biden tactic of pardoning everyone.
You should be concerned they are getting rid of jobs for special needs folks. You might become unemployed.
Why do you people just make up shit?
"Kate Miller, who serves on an advisory board for DOGE, said in a separate post that no classified material was accessed “without proper security clearances.”
Elon Musk says President Donald Trump has 'agreed' USAID should be shut down
The Trump administration has placed two top security chiefs at the U.S. Agency for International Development on leave after they refused to turn over classified material to Elon Musk’s government-inspection teams.
apnews.com
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1. The White House Counsel to provide the White House Security Office and Acting Chief Security Officer with a list of personnel that are hereby immediately granted interim Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) security clearances for a period not to exceed six months; and
2. That these individuals shall be immediately granted access to the facilities and technology necessary to perform the duties of the office to which they have been hired; and
3. The White House Counsel, as my designee, may supplement this list as necessary; and
4. The White House Counsel, as my designee, shall have the authority to revoke the interim clearance of any individual as necessary.
Memorandum to Resolve the Backlog of Security Clearances for Executive Office of the President Personnel – The White House
January 20, 2025 MEMORANDUM TO THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL SUBJECT: Memorandum to Resolve the Backlog of Security Clearances for
www.whitehouse.gov
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