You're the one that has the list. It must not be working very well as a coping mechanism.
Senior USAID security officials put on leave after refusing Musk’s DOGE access to agency systems
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I'm telling you guys, @BrunoMars420 is just Bothsides Bins with bad music taste.
I do think there is a difference between prosecution and illegal actions. I guess we will find out. I have no idea what authority Tump can or has given Musk.I’ve done my homework which is the reason I am asking lols. I think the Supreme Court kind of put a kabash on scaring people that aren’t afraid to use the power of the presidency.
Lofgren Statement on the U.S. Supreme Court’s Presidential Immunity Decision
"I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court on this decision ."lofgren.house.gov
The Court declared that a President is immune from prosecution when exercising the ‘core powers’ of the presidency. Immunity means a person cannot be prosecuted – it is not merely a defense to prosecution. Although the majority did not outline the exact ‘core powers,’ nor what would lay outside them as an ‘unofficial act’ with even one example from the case at-hand, there is no greater or clearer example of a ‘core power’ than what is outlined in Article II, Section II of the U.S. Constitution stating that the ‘President shall be the Commander in Chief.’
“During arguments on this case, a question was posed to Trump lawyers about whether a President could dispatch a ‘SEAL Team’ to kill his political enemies. Like the dissent articulated, the Court’s decision Monday answers that question with ‘yes.’ Under this ruling, if a President, in their official capacity, orders the military to kill other Americans – judges, elected officials, reporters, your neighbor – they can do so. I think most Americans, and I include myself, think that should be a crime. But the Court decision says that a President who did that would be immune from accountability under criminal law.
You can out me right now, but the real Bruno Mars is a smooth m’fer. I, for one, enjoy his entire collection.
Authoritarians all over the world are cheering this action. Xi will happily move in as the US cedes its soft power around the globe.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/0...usaid-pretended-to-be-an-intelligence-agency/
April 3, 2014
Though better known for administering humanitarian aid around the world, USAID has a long history of engaging in intelligence work and meddling in the domestic politics of aid recipients.
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In recent years, USAID’s alleged political meddling has been more subtle. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez frequently and famously accused the United States of covertly trying to overthrow him, but only after his death did evidence emerge to support his seemingly paranoid claims. A WikiLeaks cable released in 2013 outlined the U.S. strategy for undermining Chavez’s government by "penetrating Chavez’s political base," "dividing Chavismo," and "isolating Chavez internationally." The strategy was to be carried out by USAID’s Office of Transition Initiatives, the same office responsible for developing "Cuban Twitter," and involved funding opposition organizations in Venezuela.
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These incidents have fed a narrative, embraced by some foreign governments, that USAID acts as a cover for U.S. intelligence programs. In recent years, an array of countries have accused USAID of interfering in their domestic politics or attempting to undermine their power. In 2013, Bolivian President Evo Morales expelled USAID officials from his country on the grounds that the agency had conspired against his government by allegedly "manipulating" social movements in the country. He also charged that that a previous USAID program that sought to help coca farms switch to new crops was politically motivated.
Russia expelled the agency in 2012 for similar reasons. Its foreign ministry argued in a statement that USAID "attempts to influence political processes through its grants," while President Vladimir Putin blamed U.S.-funded NGOs for inciting protests against his re-election.
And in February, Kenyan Cabinet Secretary Francis Kimemia claimed that his government had evidence that USAID had hired activists to organize anti-government protests in Nairobi, in an effort to "topple" the government.
How am I both siding it? I’m bringing up legitimate concerns of what happened and what Trump is doing. Also, I’m not sure if it is illegal or not with how I think it will be looked at and a stacked Supreme Court
Sir, if you can see the center from where you're standing, then you're guilty of 'both siding it' for the ones who can't anymore.
You are somewhat sanewashing and somewhat playing devils advocate. I just don't fancy the tactic. You do you though.
I’ve said numerous times in this thread that I don’t agree with what Trump is doing. I am just wondering what would make this illegal within the power we created for the president with a stacked Supreme Court.
With what everyone is considering illegal I am just wondering how it will all go down down the road as he is railroading his policies through right now.
Bruno, he is going to F up this country, and the sad thing is most republicans are ok with it now because they think it would be better if the country burned (because that is what Trump as told them). Little do they know what that entails. I will be fine. a lot of people won't if the sane ones to don't come to stop him soon.
I realize ignorance is rife, and most of y'all never heard of USAID before this, nor knew what they were up to.
That's why I dusted off 10 year old articles to educate you.
Here's something more recent from the 'Russian bots' at Slate:
There is a long-standing history of ties between USAID and the CIA. During the Cold War, they worked together in training police forces all across the world, notably in Latin America, where the exercises allegedly included techniques of torture. USAID also served as cover for various covert activities, especially during the Vietnam War. After the Cold War, according to Weiner, the agency funded democracy-building programs in the former Soviet Union, “sometimes on its own, sometimes in concert with the CIA.” As recently as 10 years ago, it used its pro-democracy rubric to help foment anti-regime propaganda in Cuba.
Throughout this period, as was the case with U.S. embassies generally, USAID was used as a front for CIA officers, though, Weiner says, “much less frequently now than in the old days.”
Is being unable to be prosecuted the same as finding something illegal?
That is all moot as Trump will pardon them all. Only chance they actually pay for what they do is a Luigi type paying them a visit. Or their peers making their lives as shit as possible for as long as they live.
I think the best bet is to probably err on the side of its illegal and a gross overstep. The reason Elon picked young inexperienced techs is because they are also inexperienced at life and would be easier to make commit a crime whether they no it or not.
What is happening right now is unprecedented, and very damaging. Americans that don't want to live under Project 2025 rule should probably be taking the side of what is happening is illegal.
I mean smoking dope in Iowa is illegal but in Illinois it’s not. Not to get all social sciency but it is all dependent on what we as a society determine what is illegal or not. And unfortunately our Supreme Court basically said whatever a president does isn’t illegal.
The way I look at our current situation is Trump has free rein on using whatever his “core powers” are as president to do essentially whatever he wants right now ethics be damned.
You just explained an autocrat. Do you want to live under an autocracy?
I mean I agree with you that I think it is illegal and huge overstep of power. I also agree it’s unprecedented on how he is implementing everything and pushing his policies. It was very unprecedented on what the Supreme Court did this summer basically making the president a King.
But it’s not up to me other then my vote every couple of years on how I can change what is happening.
No I never said I wanted to. The Supreme Court and trumps current strategy are making it damn close to one tho.
I want checks and balances and we obviously don’t have that at all at the Federal level.
You're just not American/Patriotic enough to understand that we need an autocracy.
What’s made it worse is how polarizing things have become with no bipartisanship. So how we see it as autocratic a lot of people see it as “my side is doing what I want so I’m fine with it”
It’s trash
I've been hit with like 69 gaslight attempts today so I'm not sure how to process this.
How have the revelations of wasteful spending damaged you, and where?
Like LSI? That does a ton of good here in Iowa? It was nice of Mike Flynn to let us know about that. That registered Turkish foreign agent is always looking out for us. WWG1WGA
I would think sustaining democracy and not going back to the Gilded Age 2.0 but on crack would create some unity. The last time we had this much income inequality stuff was really terrible for workers. Clearly our oligarchs have insatiable greed and if something isn't done the future is going to be not so great for peoples children and grandchildren.
World history is full of the powerful subjugating the workers. It can and will happen here. Larry Ellison saying they would use AI to monitor and keep us in line is more like a promise than anything else.
I was told by left wingers on this board that migrants are an economic net benefit, so y’all don’t need the federal funding for them.
Enjoy!
You mean the access to information and money the Democrats are so desperate to keep?
