Seriously, what is Trump’s goal?
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I've had you in the HBOT idiot jail for a very, very long time, but I had to take a look at why @RileyHawk was blasting you here.
What's funny is some posters on here have mentioned you as someone who at least has some intellectual ability, smarts, savvy, etc.
They're dead wrong or maybe they're just being nice to the guy with a traumatic brain injury.
Anyway, back to HBOT jail for ya, don't bother replying and hoping that I'll read your classless zinger. I won't read anymore of your drivel again, I can assure you of that.
Recession was expected by most after Covid.
But Biden passed the Infrastructure Bill and IRA that eased us into a period of economic growth most did not think was possible. And heading into 2025, our economy was the envy of the world
That is all trashed now because of ignorant MAGAs, like yourself.
Who's gonna be buying these "Fords" at 25% price hikes?
Looks like someone regrets not being a "Never Trumper" last year....
Nobody, Ford immediatly responded by offering Americans wmployee pricing while they shift manufacturing.
I thought it was a smart, quick move from them.
Um....that's mostly all nonsense.
DOGE ain't cutting shit. And will get nowhere near "$1T"
That's right
And that means the dealership and all the "local" jobs go away.
I shake my head when those dumb ****ers pass shit like this off as fact.
Then he is an idiot. American line workers suck. They are fat and uneducated. See American Factory
Plus, those dumb workers cost a lot, which would cause cars to become more expensive. Not to mention the shoddy work they'd do would cost more in recalls.
It's unfortunate you look at America that way.
I'm old enough to remember when calling something the "Cadillac" meant it was thr top of its class.
The 1960s and 70s aren't around anymore.
Now, there are FAR better options than a "Cadillac" to choose from in the car sales arena.
You are just throwing shit at the wall.
You never acknowledged that China holds a significant amount of our debt. That is problematic for us at best. You also never acknowledged that China is not living “paycheck to paycheck” but does indeed have the largest foreign reserves in the world.
I’ll believe the starvation outcome when I see it.
The China elites are not, the China labor force is. And to my point, people will starve before the elites of a communist country feel pain.
SIAP but I think this is a good and reasonable explanation.
This week you will read many confused economists and political pundits who won't understand how the tariffs make economic sense. That's because they don't. They aren't designed as economic policy. The tariffs are simply a new, super dangerous political tool. You see, our founders created a President with limited and checked powers. They specifically put the power of spending and taxation in the hands of the legislature. Why? Because they watched how kings and despots used spending and taxes to control their subjects.
British kings used taxation to reward loyalty and punish dissent. Our own revolution was spurred by the King's use of heavy taxation of the colonies to punish our push for self governance. The King's message was simple: stop protesting and I'll stop taxing. Trump knows that he can weaken (and maybe destroy) democracy by using spending and taxation in the same way. He is using access to government funds to bully universities, law firms and state and local governments into loyalty pledges. Healthy democracies rely on an independent legal profession to maintain the rule of law, independent universities to guard objective truth and provide forums for dissent to authority, and independent state/local government to counterbalance a powerful federal government.
But the private sector also plays a rule to protect democracy. Independent industry has power. The tariffs are Trump's tool to erode that independence. Now, one by one, every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump in order to get sanctions relief. What could Trump demand as part of a quiet loyalty pledge? Public shows of support from executives for all his economic policy. Contributions to his political efforts. Promises to police employees' support for his political opposition. The tariffs are DESIGNED to create economic hardship. Why? So that Trump has a straight face rationale for releasing them, business by business or industry by industry. As he adjusts or grants relief, it's a win-win: the economy improves and dissent disappears. And once Trump has the lawyers, colleges and industry under his thumb, it becomes very hard for the opposition to have any viable space to maneuver. Trump didn't invent this strategy. It's the playbook for democratically elected leaders who want to stay in power forever.
he tariffs aren't economic policy. They are political weapons. But as long as we see this clearly, we can stop him. Public mobilization is working. Today, a few Republicans joined Democrats to vote against one set of tariffs. The people still have the power.
This week you will read many confused economists and political pundits who won't understand how the tariffs make economic sense. That's because they don't. They aren't designed as economic policy. The tariffs are simply a new, super dangerous political tool. You see, our founders created a President with limited and checked powers. They specifically put the power of spending and taxation in the hands of the legislature. Why? Because they watched how kings and despots used spending and taxes to control their subjects.
British kings used taxation to reward loyalty and punish dissent. Our own revolution was spurred by the King's use of heavy taxation of the colonies to punish our push for self governance. The King's message was simple: stop protesting and I'll stop taxing. Trump knows that he can weaken (and maybe destroy) democracy by using spending and taxation in the same way. He is using access to government funds to bully universities, law firms and state and local governments into loyalty pledges. Healthy democracies rely on an independent legal profession to maintain the rule of law, independent universities to guard objective truth and provide forums for dissent to authority, and independent state/local government to counterbalance a powerful federal government.
But the private sector also plays a rule to protect democracy. Independent industry has power. The tariffs are Trump's tool to erode that independence. Now, one by one, every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump in order to get sanctions relief. What could Trump demand as part of a quiet loyalty pledge? Public shows of support from executives for all his economic policy. Contributions to his political efforts. Promises to police employees' support for his political opposition. The tariffs are DESIGNED to create economic hardship. Why? So that Trump has a straight face rationale for releasing them, business by business or industry by industry. As he adjusts or grants relief, it's a win-win: the economy improves and dissent disappears. And once Trump has the lawyers, colleges and industry under his thumb, it becomes very hard for the opposition to have any viable space to maneuver. Trump didn't invent this strategy. It's the playbook for democratically elected leaders who want to stay in power forever.
he tariffs aren't economic policy. They are political weapons. But as long as we see this clearly, we can stop him. Public mobilization is working. Today, a few Republicans joined Democrats to vote against one set of tariffs. The people still have the power.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
While I disagree with a lot of what you wrote (not unusual for you and I 😜), I appreciate the spirit in which you wrote it. I hope you have a great weekend Whiskey and hopefully this tariff nonsense gets settled soon,
JFC - do you know what "employee pricing" is? It's the price everyone can negotiate for. It's thrown out as a marketing ploy for rubes like you.
It still means that to some. That doesn't mean Cadillac is still the top of it's class.
Metaphors have sustaining power.
No, it's a recent creation. I didn't see this coming. This opinion formed post election. I still fully believe we'll see all the things he promised. I think there's going to be some growing pains though.
No shit. Do you have any idea what a penguin or a lemur are going to cost going forward?
I think you have your parties reversed.
Yes, the slave owners became Dixiecrats that transitioned to Republicans. The carpetbaggers and scaliwags were all Republicans. It was the main reason the south were democrats for a long time.
My family was until the 20th century.
Now your statement that Democrats don’t want to see the slaves today.
I have to ask, what are you saying? Democrats don’t want to see descendants of slaves? They don’t like black people?
What point are you trying to make?
I’m curious. What did you learn from the favelas? What city in particular?
The Brazilian government has a unique way of treating the poor.
I hope you have some good info and not just what was in the movies.
Yeah. Musky and his boys are just raring to invest in steel. Jeez, dude. You smoking crack?
All of your list is maybe, hopefully, not…
No I mean you seem to be ok with a 10 year old making your shit for peanuts as long as it happens some place you don't have to see.
Twist all you want chica, you guys are in a bad spot. You either have to support Trump or fold to "cheap" labor.
That would have been Sao Paulo and it was a very unique experience. We were lead around by the elder or we clearly would have been robbed.
I would say roughly 20 years later the moment that stuck with me was as we were walking through, all the "houses" are just cardboard and plywood nailed together, dogs everywhere, someone started playing crossroads by bone thugs. That always stuck with me.
I would say roughly 20 years later the moment that stuck with me was as we were walking through, all the "houses" are just cardboard and plywood nailed together, dogs everywhere, someone started playing crossroads by bone thugs. That always stuck with me.
Ahh....makes sense now.
WDDT belongs to a "Megachurch" and swallows the same jizz the salesman-pastors push out.
Same gullible mentality makes him a "mark" for the Trump/Musk propaganda.
Play more golf, crash the market, and then give billionaires more money. Thats a start.
MAGAnomics
To the extent that it's coherent, they seem to believe:
If people get money (wages, whatever) they just eat it directly. They don't pass it on to someone else, who then passes it on to someone else, etc...
Related: there are no gains from trade, individually or between countries.
If the government spends money, it's just fake somehow. All economic activity related to the government is an illusion, except SpaceX and Tesla subsidies.
It takes a few weeks, couple months tops, to set up a "factory."
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MAGAnomics
To the extent that it's coherent, they seem to believe: If people get money (wages, whatever) they just eat it directly. They don't pass it ...
www.eschatonblog.com
This is accurate just saw lots more on this today.
