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i do understand your viewpoint. that said addressing trade deficits with everyone is important particularly when everyone else protects their markets and in one case (china) not only makes their market impervious via diktat, throws tariffs on top, coerces tech transfer, engages in ip theft and corporate plus academic espionage and sits in the wto and thus can utilize multiple channels of access to our market— all this while being openly hostile with intent to take us out. i am not saying current approach is perfect but it can be tweaked. but it will jumpstart tye making of more things in america and make us less vulnerable in the event of ww/covid type events
Fair points. The issues with China are deep and tough to work through. I faced the tech/IP side of this in a joint venture I had responsibility for. I’m generally anti-tariff, even in the case of China, but I could at least understand if you tariffed China heavily while allowing American businesses the flexibility to continue to manufacture in Mexico (or Vietnam, etc). But instead you are trying to get all of them to reshore all at once. What will that do to the supply chain of the materials necessary to build back that mfg base? What about employees? Machines for the factories, etc?

The blanket tariffs are an awful way to achieve your goal. It would be far better to simply subsidize a nationally important business that wants to reshore products via low cost/low interest loans or outright grants where necessary for national security. Yes this would either increase our deficit or require higher taxes somewhere, but at least you are getting the direct outcome you want and it is predictable by a business. If Nvidia knows it is getting a $100M in interest free financing they are almost certainly more likely to open a factory than if they have to ascertain how long Trump’s tariffs will stay in effect. Trump’s own unpredictability is going to backfire.

As to how to pay for the subsidy? You would have to tax something to raise the revenue for whatever subsidies were given. But taxing consumers via tariff is highly regressive and will lead to the nightmare of stagflation. An inheritance tax would do the trick nicely.
 
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Fair points. The issues with China are deep and tough to work through. I faced the tech/IP side of this in a joint venture I had responsibility for. I’m generally anti-tariff, even in the case of China, but I could at least understand if you tariffed China heavily while allowing American businesses the flexibility to continue to manufacture in Mexico (or Vietnam, etc). But instead you are trying to get all of them to reshore all at once. What will that do to the supply chain of the materials necessary to build back that mfg base? What about employees? Machines for the factories, etc?

The blanket tariffs are an awful way to achieve your goal. It would be far better to simply subsidize a nationally important business that wants to reshore products via low cost/low interest loans or outright grants where necessary for national security. Yes this would either increase our deficit or require higher taxes somewhere, but at least you are getting the direct outcome you want and it is predictable by a business. If Nvidia knows it is getting a $100M in interest free financing they are almost certainly more likely to open a factory than if they have to ascertain how long Trump’s tariffs will stay in effect. Trump’s own unpredictability is going to backfire. And yes you would have to tax something to raise the revenue for whatever subsidies were given. But taxing consumers via tariff is highly regressive and will lead to the nightmare of stagflation. An inheritance tax would do the trick nicely.
first i don’t have any issues with what you posted. i am not antithetical to other countries except for china, so reshaping supply chains to eliminate china would be enough for me. but if using trade deficits as an excuse to build in America works i am ok with that too. it’s possible that in the medium term things will work out for us with current approach. i’ve seen reports that canada and finland (both of which have been quite acerbic to us in public) have agreed to eliminate tariffs on america. if this becomes a worldwide thing everything you posted as a want becomes reality. i’m in wait and watch mode.
 
Will do. Can you remind me again what will happen that will make this day so significant? Thanks in advance.

Ah, gee. Nothing seems to be happening. World-wide reaction. Plant closings. Markets going crazy.

Congress is attempting to take tariff authority away from the dickhead. What, where and how is it so hard to understand how serious this is? This isn't a reality game show.

We don't hear much from you.
 
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first i don’t have any issues with what you posted. i am not antithetical to other countries except for china, so reshaping supply chains to eliminate china would be enough for me. but if using trade deficits as an excuse to build in America works i am ok with that too. it’s possible that in the medium term things will work out for us with current approach. i’ve seen reports that canada and finland (both of which have been quite acerbic to us in public) have agreed to eliminate tariffs on america. if this becomes a worldwide thing everything you posted as a want becomes reality. i’m in wait and watch mode.

This has been an effective way of back door selling a bullshit issue. Like immigration soured the public to the point the idea of deportation without due process is perfectly fine, the Orange Turd has hammered the ridiculous idea of the U.S. is being victimized. Our economy grew and flourished because we take advantage of lower labor costs and utilize products and merchandise, we don't produce.

We live in a world in which shares wealth, deficits, responsibilities and neglects. We have a leader who has no clue what the United States role is or should be. He claims these tariffs deal with a national emergency. What national emergency? He's a nutcase.
 
This has been an effective way of back door selling a bullshit issue. Like immigration soured the public to the point the idea of deportation without due process is perfectly fine, the Orange Turd has hammered the ridiculous idea of the U.S. is being victimized. Our economy grew and flourished because we take advantage of lower labor costs and utilize products and merchandise, we don't produce.

We live in a world in which shares wealth, deficits, responsibilities and neglects. We have a leader who has no clue what the United States role is or should be. He claims these tariffs deal with a national emergency. What national emergency? He's a nutcase.
How many bankruptcies has this guy done. Trump gonna Trump
 
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I find it unlikely that you could get 2/3 of the Senate and House to get past any veto of taking the tariff power from Trump. But at least Grassley is standing up to Trump, if only in a ceremonial way.
 
I find it unlikely that you could get 2/3 of the Senate and House to get past any veto of taking the tariff power from Trump. But at least Grassley is standing up to Trump, if only in a ceremonial way.
Every break starts with a crack. Hopefully as the economy sours more begin to emerge.
 
I'm just still in awe of how tough Trump is on Russia. I definitely get why @Finance85 believed Putin, and would repeat what Putin said over and over and over again on here when Putin said he'd rather have Biden than Trump. Because Trump is a ****ing hardass on Russia.
You are a one trick pony, aren't you. Not a question. Seems like Putin doesn't really like Trump all that much these days, doesn't it. Yeah, a real puppet.
 
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I'm on record many times saying Trump's tariffs are way over the top and bad for the economy. Hating Biden economics doesn't mean I approve of Trump's brand. On the contrary. And if anyone would like to go back in time to 2017, I begged someone to take away Trump's twitter account, and for Trump to STFU. I wish all the Dems with binary politics would be binary when it comes to defining males and females.
 
I'm on record many times saying Trump's tariffs are way over the top and bad for the economy. Hating Biden economics doesn't mean I approve of Trump's brand. On the contrary. And if anyone would like to go back in time to 2017, I begged someone to take away Trump's twitter account, and for Trump to STFU. I wish all the Dems with binary politics would be binary when it comes to defining males and females.
Nothing says "I disagree with Trump's tariffs" like bringing up the Dems and trans folks
 
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Who put the tariff plan together for Trump. I heard it was all put together via AI
 
In the future "robots" will conceptualize, design and manufacture "robots". Think about it.

This idea of manufacturing lines manned by humans is an archaic concept. The future is science, technology design and development. We need to be intelligent in how we resource our industries, not put an anvil on how we constraint them.
 
Ah, gee. Nothing seems to be happening. World-wide reaction. Plant closings. Markets going crazy.

Congress is attempting to take tariff authority away from the dickhead. What, where and how is it so hard to understand how serious this is? This isn't a reality game show.

We don't hear much from you.

What would you like to hear from me? If it’s OK with you, I will wait more than 24 hours to poop my pants.
 
Nope. Admittedly he went harder to the hoop than I thought he would. He will back off like he did in 2018. I am fine with what has happened so far.

Ok. IMO if he backs off the financial community will look at it as him not commitment to his theories and will create more chaos.

It was a one of those battles you never start. Foolish, especially at this massive scale. Incredibly foolish. If the tariffs are enacted the results will be catastrophic to the economy.
 
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I'm on record many times saying Trump's tariffs are way over the top and bad for the economy. Hating Biden economics doesn't mean I approve of Trump's brand. On the contrary. And if anyone would like to go back in time to 2017, I begged someone to take away Trump's twitter account, and for Trump to STFU. I wish all the Dems with binary politics would be binary when it comes to defining males and females.
Interesting comparison. Less than one week later do you still want to equate the importance of the trans topic with the importance of economic policy?

From my vantage point one is like a giant asteroid about to obliterate the earth and the other is like a hangnail. I’ll let you figure out which one I think is which.
 
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