Seriously, what is Trump’s goal?

[BondHawk]

You sound like a ****ing idiot.

To be fair, he doesn't just sound like one.

 

[scruffyhawk]

Did the communist party member walk you around the ghettos? Cuz I've been walked through the favalas of Brazil that pay for the houses on the hill.




You having someone who has started a company in China doesn't excuse the fact you are willing to live a higher quality of life hear knowing they exist here, while white knighting for human rights here. Pick a lane.

I've been screamed at in a foreign alley in a language 2 feet from my face by myself in a city the US Embassy was attacked by protestors the week before because I took a shortcut to get food I could eat after a working dinner snake was the main course.

The individual who set up the factories didn't start the company fortune 100 company he did that for. He is in my phone because I sign his paycheck due to him wanting a challenge instead of deadlines. I have an ex employee who went from me to a contract designing the undersea grid for Germany that facilitates integration between on shore nuclear and offshore wind load balancing. I'm very aware not every product or skill is something we develop, or should cultivate in the US.

 

[BondHawk]

Do you think the housekeeping staff at a hotel you stay in have wonderful lives? They are out of sight and out of mind for a reason. Back of the house employees at restaurants apply too. I walked by a teenager in Fareway moving cans to the front of the shelf yesterday looking like he hated it. I respect he was there doing it however.

Irrelevant, teenagers hate everything.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I've been screamed at in a foreign alley in a language 2 feet from my face by myself in a city the US Embassy was attacked by protestors week before because I took a shortcut to get food I could eat after a working dinner snake was the main course.

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I two footed a dude in a scrimmage in Jundai and damn near started a town vs town riot as a gringo. Lifes an interesting road eh?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Bring manufacturing back to the U.S.? Whiskey says “Nike is coming home”

I get targeting certain industries or categories of products, but otherwise this is ridiculous. We don’t need to be making 90% of the widgets and trinkets and all the other cheap goods lining the shelves at Walmart and every other retailer.
Nor do I sense anyone wants to pay more for these goods.

Is it to raise revenue? Isn’t that just a massive wealth transfer from consumers to corporations? And then to the ultra rich to help pay for tax cuts?
Again, how do we not pay much more for goods if the tariffs stay in place?

What’s the plan? What am I missing.

Breaking: Argentina is in final negotiations with the US to become the first zero-tariff country.

WINNING

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Breaking: Argentina is in final negotiations with the US to become the first zero-tariff country.

WINNING

Argentina's top exports include soybean meal, corn, delivery trucks, soybean oil, and crude petroleum, with major export destinations being Brazil, the United States, Chile, China, and India.


Ok.....

 

[SI_NYC]

I understand democrats are going to find a other justifications for "doing nothing".


We did nothing, and we lost ground every day for 40 years.


Even if you want to say this is the worst plan in history, a plan,and then corrections, are far better than writing blank checks as the world bypasses us further and further.



I'm going to go over the top here but just so it's out there.... the democrats are showing they were never actually against slave ownership, they would just prefer to not have to see the slaves today.

You should go by the advice of Mark Twain, "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Let's ignore the huge logistical hurdles and say that Trump's goal of bringing large scale manufacturing back to the US will be met. Won't the difference in wages passed on to consumers essentially have the same effect (or greater) as a tariff on foreign-made goods?

This whole thing is a smokescreen intended to give more tax breaks to billionaires. That’s all it is IMO.

We can’t ignore the logistical hurdles because they are absolutely relevant to why Trump’s tariff policies won’t work and will in fact be very harmful. If your goal is in fact to bring more manufacturing jobs back to America, then you don’t kick out millions of people who are able to work those jobs. On top of that, a lot of those jobs that could return to America are going to be replaced by robots in 5-10 years, anyway. And, as you pointed out, inflation will be so bad that any gain in wages from people moving from a Walmart job to a manufacturing job will be a net loss.

Trump’s current tariffs are more extreme than the Smoot-Hawley tariffs of 1930. Let that sink in.

This is going to be a disaster if Trump persists down this path.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Argentina's top exports include soybean meal, corn, delivery trucks, soybean oil, and crude petroleum, with major export destinations being Brazil, the United States, Chile, China, and India.


Ok.....

So? The point of our President stepping up for America is to level the playing field.

We pull our tariffs when you pull yours.

Make the world tariff free. We win - More Winning for the American worker

 

[Rifler]

If your goal is in fact to bring more manufacturing jobs back to America, then you don’t kick out millions of people who are able to work those jobs.

Good thing we aren't doing that then,.. The ones being deported don't carry the resume and don't desire a real job.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

So? The point of our President stepping up for America is to level the playing field.

We pull our tariffs when you pull yours.

Make the world tariff free. We win - More Winning for the American worker

I agree.



But you know what else Argentina has?


Nazis.



So this isn't good.

 

[IACub]

He doesn't have goals. He's doing it because people told him he shouldn't. He's a textbook narcissist, and a nitwit to boot. No one is willing to try to talk sense to him because they'll just get fired. And his cult loves every minute of it because it OwNs tEh LiBtArDs. I'm ready to fight MAGAs in the street for enabling this mentally ill man-child access to nuclear codes.

 

[WDSMHAWK]

Breaking: Argentina is in final negotiations with the US to become the first zero-tariff country.

WINNING

Smart of Milei to get on Trump's good side. He just ran a crypto scam on his citizens and might be run out office so he needs all the protection he can get.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Good thing we aren't doing that then,.. The ones being deported don't carry the resume and don't desire a real job.

Lol.

Bullshit.

Most Latinos are hardworking and family-oriented.

 

[Rifler]

Lol.

Bullshit.

Most Latinos are hardworking and family-oriented.

I agree, we aren't deporting "most" Latinos, or "most" anyone else for that matter,.. We are deporting criminals.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

I agree, we aren't deporting "most" Latinos, or "most" anyone else for that matter,.. We are deporting criminals.

The gang bangers, absolutely. Bye bye.

But your definition of criminal extends to millions of people.

 

[theVoicefromtheTomb]

You are of the belief China will apply its pain equal amongst its masses?

Food security has been a long term prime objective of the Communist Party. It’s one of the ways they stay in power.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

This whole thing is a smokescreen intended to give more tax breaks to billionaires. That’s all it is IMO.

We can’t ignore the logistical hurdles because they are absolutely relevant to why Trump’s tariff policies won’t work and will in fact be very harmful. If your goal is in fact to bring more manufacturing jobs back to America, then you don’t kick out millions of people who are able to work those jobs. On top of that, a lot of those jobs that could return to America are going to be replaced by robots in 5-10 years, anyway. And, as you pointed out, inflation will be so bad that any gain in wages from people moving from a Walmart job to a manufacturing job will be a net loss.

Trump’s current tariffs are more extreme than the Smoot-Hawley tariffs of 1930. Let that sink in.

This is going to be a disaster if Trump persists down this path.

LOL - last month you and your fellow libs were crying the price of oranges and grapefruits were going to skyrocket because all the fruit pickers were deported, now you have promoted them to industrial workers?

LOL

 

[torbee]

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Food security has been a long term prime objective of the Communist Party. It’s one of the ways they stay in power.

Well that is about to be very tested.

 

[scruffyhawk]

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I two footed a dude in a scrimmage in Jundai and damn near started a town vs town riot as a gringo. Lifes an interesting road eh?

I've been handed a phone number and told to call her by a tour guide at a tea farm in West Lake China and been asked out by a girl on a Forbes 30 under 30 list the same day that NY Port Authority had me on a construction platform looking through mesh at the pavement from the roof of One World Trade while in a climbing harness with a suit underneath. I get shit done in finance and the commercialization of research and development that puts me in a very diverse set of situations. I've done studies with engineers who write standards for classified aerospace, nuclear, and associated safety design build systems for multiple NATO mobile platforms.

You are not going to impress me with roits or fights as I've seen burning item discarded by a mob, laughed while teeth are being lost in alley fights and dance floor raves, and done shots with a Ranger portrayed by a famous actor in Black Hawk Down I've later seen interviewed on documentaries over the incident despite myself never having served. That Ranger changed FAA light bulbs in transmission towers because his ptsd was so bad he couldn't be around people, but still needed to have an adrenaline rush to feel alive inside.

 

[tumorboy]

lol...and omg

All caps makes him correct.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

US is the market. China isn’t going to sell more shit to India because the guy in India that makes iPhones just lost his job.

Joe six pack in Peoria is pissed he can’t buy a new TV for $300. The guy that makes it in Asia can’t feed his family because he just lost his job.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I've been handed a phone number and told to call her by a tour guide at a tea farm in West Lake China and been asked out by a girl on a Forbes 30 under 30 list the same day that NY Port Authority had me on a construction platform looking through mesh at the pavement from the roof of One World Trade while in a climbing harness with a suit underneath. I get shit done in finance and the commercialization of research and development that puts me in a very diverse set of situations. I've done studies with engineers who write standards for classified aerospace, nuclear, and associated safety design build systems for multiple NATO mobile platforms.

You are not going to impress me with roits or fights as I've seen burning item discarded by a mob, laughed while teeth are being lost in alley fights and dance floor raves, and done shots with a Ranger portrayed by a famous actor in Black Hawk Down I've later seen interviewed on documentaries over the incident despite myself never having served. That Ranger changed FAA light bulbs in transmission towers because his ptsd was so bad he couldn't be around people, but still needed to have an adrenaline rush to feel alive inside.

None of what you just said disputes China, or Pakistan, or India, or brasil, exploiting slave labor.



30 under 30. ****, I came from the insurance industry, every asshole who buys his dad's book makes the 40 under 40.



Hope you enjoyed NY.

 

[scruffyhawk]

None of what you just said disputes China, or Pakistan, or India, or brasil, exploiting slave labor.



30 under 30. ****, I came from the insurance industry, every asshole who buys his dad's book makes the 40 under 40.



Hope you enjoyed NY.

She was honored for her biotechnology startup success, not insurance.

It's not slave labor as it's poverty at a level the western world believes is a choice. The toddler running around with only a shirt on I thought was human trafficking until she popped a squat at the curb and relieved herself right then and there with a severed pigs head (skin, ears, and eyeballs intact) for sale on a table 2 feet from her head as flies buzzed around the air.

I absolutely have no problem with buying something from wherever that little girl now works at if it's a factory. I can only hope her one child gets diapers and sanitary meat from a refrigerator. Foreign governments are our rivals. The citizens are no less deserved of basic needs as whomever lives walking distance from me today.

 

[gojojo]

By promoting the return of domestic manufacturing in key areas of the economy,.. Steel, auto, semi-conductors, pharma etc,.. Manufacturing jobs were the foundation of the US middle class and they can be again...

You really believe the factory line is coming back to the USA in 2025?

Doubtful. But if were to come back, it won’t be guys named Hank and Bill on the line, it’ll be R2D2 and C3PO doing the job.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

She was honored for her biotechnology startup success, not insurance.

It's not slave labor as it's poverty at a level the western world believes is a choice. The toddler running around with only a shirt on I thought was human trafficking until she popped a squat at the curb and relieved herself right then and there with a severed pigs head (skin, ears, and eyeballs intact) for sale on a table 2 feet from her head as flies buzzed around the air.

I absolutely have no problem with buying something from wherever that little girl now works at if it's a factory. I can only hope her one child gets diapers and sanitary meat from a refrigerator. Foreign governments are our rivals. The citizens are no less deserved of basic needs as whomever lives walking distance from me today.

That's great, again, none of what you said changes the fact we are trying to compete with uneven standards because we value workers rights.


The funny part for me in all this is those who seem hell bent on workers rights also seem hell bent on our inability to leave China.


So that's great you know people and have watched a child wipe her ass with a pigs head, but those people, nor I, give a **** about your feelings, they are going to continue to run the lowest class into the ground. We have to establish if human rights are actually a focus, or cheap shit.

 

[scruffyhawk]

You really believe the factory line is coming back to the USA in 2025?

Doubtful. But if were to come back, it won’t be guys named Hank and Bill on the line, it’ll be R2D2 and C3PO doing the job.

The movie WallE is probably appropriate to how the humans would live.

 

[scruffyhawk]

That's great, again, none of what you said changes the fact we are trying to compete with uneven standards because we value workers rights.


The funny part for me in all this is those who seem hell bent on workers rights also seem hell bent on our inability to leave China.


So that's great you know people and have watched a child wipe her ass with a pigs head, but those people, nor I, give a **** about your feelings, they are going to continue to run the lowest class into the ground. We have to establish if human rights are actually a focus, or cheap shit.

I can tell you're around insurance because you don't produce anything, and therefore don't understand the process. It's a constant dissertation on loss and remediate to a point in time with you.

 

[3boysmom]

Uh, no

There were not "228k jobs added today".

Maybe there was a court order to reinstate jobs that were illegally cut.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

The stock market is tanking. The economy put over 100k more jobs into it than expected.

the more you type the more you show us you don't know things.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

That's not a problem,.. Perhaps next time we can do it the correct way.

Next time?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

the more you type the more you show us you don't know things.

Find the flaws.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

The more I think about this I wonder if the answer is simple wanted to force the issue earlier and blame it on fixing Biden’s mess, and then hopefully have a smoother runway to the midterms so he doesn’t get impeached a third time.

That wouldn't suprise me at all and they have laid the groundwork with messaging.

Break sh!t, blame it on others ad nauseum, take credit for any progress back.

Sounds like a Steve Bannon gambit.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I can tell you're around insurance because you don't produce anything, and therefore don't understand the process. It's a constant dissertation on loss and remediate to a point in time with you.

Well atleast you didn't give me another "I've been here " story.



None of what you said means a pot of piss regarding employment practices in any of the countries I've listed.

 

[Joes Place]

The jobs report.

But the jobs, themselves, were not "added TODAY"....

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I'm going to go over the top here but just so it's out there.... the democrats are showing they were never actually against slave ownership, they would just prefer to not have to see the slaves today.

I like you, but this shit is unhinged. Maybe take a break. Play a little golf, help your kids with their homework. Just put down the internet and unplug yourself from MAGA social media for a week or so.

 

[scruffyhawk]

Well atleast you didn't give me another "I've been here " story.



None of what you said means a pot of piss regarding employment practices in any of the countries I've listed.

Yes I have many I've been there stories. You can also deduce from my number of posts and the time I've been a member I don't waste my time often talking sense into someone. They simply are recommend fired or demoted in real life. You're badly misinformed as to how economics and the real world in boardrooms or political circles work. Government and business both have the capability to drive society forward or make their existing untenable. You're waxing for a time that will never exist, and you're remembering selectively. Grow up and wake up to making something outside of a cynical isolated existence of your life.

 

[Joes Place]

Saw this posted on Reddit by a conservative and thought it was pretty good:

The issue here is this is entirely based on trade balances. these effective tariff rates are just ratios of the trade imbalances. Nothing more. No other policy considerations like currency policy or unfair trade practices or non trade barriers.

But even setting that aside, it is dumb because we are a services and ideas based economy, so we are a net importer of physical goods, but are a net exporter of intellectual ones - We take in flows to our capital markets, via services transfers, and through our vast multinational corporations who employ a lot of people here supporting our subsidiaries overseas. None of that shows up on trade balance.

We have a bunch of very high paid jobs making Netflix subs and providing banking services and designing phones and stuff which balances out the cheap clothing and parts and stuff coming in. It is very nice that we are able to have one person working at netflix or something to buy the labor of dozens doing back breaking manual labor overseas in balancing out those payments. And we are at 4.1% unemployment. To the extent we want high tech manufacturing, we can do subsidies or more targeted policy to get it back. We are a super rich nation because we have a lot of individual people creating wealth on the order of dozens in another country and we benefit from that in trade.

It's dumb to base this whole thing on trade imbalances because that's based on a fundamental lack of understanding of how our economy works or why this is such a rich country. It discounts that we are paying for these trade imbalances with stuff we make for free. It also discounts situations where we import from one country and export to another, and the country we have a trade imbalance with has in turn a trade imbalance with a country we have a surplus with.

Basically, it's disappointingly wrong and lacking any nuance on how the economy actually works. It also is bad policy that is going to create a giant mess i

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I like you, but this shit is unhinged. Maybe take a break. Play a little golf, help your kids with their homework. Just put down the internet and unplug yourself from MAGA social media for a week or so.

Apparently I needed to emphasize the acknowledgment i was going over the top more.




Sometimes you need to say something so far outlandish that it creates a stop gap on how stupid your opponent is willing to get.

Example: I want trans rights, I want everyone to be comfortable in their own skin and feel appreciated, what I won't do, is watch a man beat a woman and be celebrated for it.


I started saying that years ago, and at thr time it was outlandish, no look at 2025.



I don't think you guys want slaves, I think you are so pretzled with orange man bad you are taking whatever shots you get. You yourself has said the bad plan today great plan next week line. You and I have discussed the ideology in business of fail fast recover faster, you acknowledge something needed to happen, yet, orange man bad.


Yeah, dude, the markets are getting their asskicked, we will be a better stronger country for this.