Could be wrong, but I thought that at one time Illinois residents could get in state tuition at iowa. Also, I had heard at okie state if a non-resident hs student had a certain gpa they could get in state tuition to go there, which helped osu distribute their 9.9 allotment to more recruits.
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Nope. We’ve seen that effort and what it said was that he’s not beating Siebrecht.
I think Riggins lost to a Senior and a Junior in High school this weekend (US Open) so he's not quite ready for lineup at this point.
Maybe years and years ago, but definitely not now. Illinois students are Iowa’s bread and butter from a tuition standpoint.
That was one tournament first time down at the weight. I’d like to see him there again to see for sure if ur statement is true. I was also stating that 157 is his best chance to make the lineup. I don’t feel he is on PK and Brands level as of now.
Here's his profile: https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/49991/griffith-shane/profile
It was also his only time at that weight. He had nothing. We won’t see that again. He will likely go up, not down.
If Griffith picks Iowa then that's a huge win for us. He's a former champ, 2x finalist, 3x AA... Let PK, Griffith, and Brands figure the rest out.
We need to land big time transfers like him so everyone on here should be over the moon about this possibility. Plus, if he has any desire to stick around the HWC then that's a monster win for them too. We need outsiders, badly, and he fills that need on both fronts.
But what about Kennedy? Well he has 2 choices, win the spot or ride the bench, same with Griffith. But in my mind the transplant is an immediate upgrade at 165 because he's the proven commodity.
I bet Woods is pushing on him hard, so let him work his magic. The 2 former Stanford kids could be the faces of our program next year and I'm 100% here for it.
We need to land big time transfers like him so everyone on here should be over the moon about this possibility. Plus, if he has any desire to stick around the HWC then that's a monster win for them too. We need outsiders, badly, and he fills that need on both fronts.
But what about Kennedy? Well he has 2 choices, win the spot or ride the bench, same with Griffith. But in my mind the transplant is an immediate upgrade at 165 because he's the proven commodity.
I bet Woods is pushing on him hard, so let him work his magic. The 2 former Stanford kids could be the faces of our program next year and I'm 100% here for it.
Kennedy would have a third choice- leave Iowa.
Also, I disagree on it would be a huge win for Iowa. It might be an upgrade at 165/174 but not much. Now if we had someone of his caliber coming in at 133, 149/157 (opposite of chittum), 184 or 197, I would consider that a huge win.
Then keep playing Go Fish while the rest of the field plays chess.
Anytime you can snag a national champ, even for one year, then you take it.
If he comes to Iowa they're banking on him reaching the podium AND having a damn good time doing it (just like Woods). That's another well known and respected wrestler out there talking up Iowa. Recruits pay attention to that. We need good press and Griffith can do that.
And as I mentioned, the possibility of him joining the HWC keeps him around our guys for a bit longer, which is definitely a boost.
Do you think Sanderson would shuffle his feet for a second at the thought of landing someone else like Griffith? F*ck no.
Stack em, pack em, and rack em.
Agree with your take. Possibly losing PK over a 1 year plug in that makes zero difference in the team race would not be a smart maneuver. We don't have extra blue chips laying around for backup.
You'll blatantly refuse Griffith over the distant fear of losing Kennedy. You guys are out of your f*cking minds.
Just a few more to add to the consensual reality testing that @el dub may be arranging in the Spencer thread.
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Never underestimate the pulling power of the garden state.
Jfc. No one is saying they'd refuse him.
why not take Griffith and then allow him to take an Olympic RS next season and that allows Nelson to Graduate and then have him slide in for the next season and then have him continue on as a HWC member ?? just a random thought from afar
Someone here was against $250k for a one year stint at a need weight (197). If for nothing less than consistency's sake, I would think they'd be against $300k for one year likely at a non-need weight.
What if it isn’t distant? You can’t take him if Kennedy would transfer. A small delta in points for one year isn’t worth losing 3 years of Kennedy.
You didn't say it but you weren't far from it.
I didn't realize PK's comfort was the top priority of this program.
He definitely isn't a guy you refuse. But, he also isnt' a guy you hard core chase. To be clear, he is a minor ONE YEAR upgrade in a weight range that isn't a must get.
Both he and Kennedy lost to Amine at NCAA's. He is coming off a 5th place finish in a year where he looked beatable for most of the season. It's not like he is coming off his NCAA Title. That was the Covid year with no fans.
If he wants to go there, you welcome him with open arms. But, you don't chase him with wreckless abandon and possibly mess up team chemistry for years to come...
Just going out on a limb but the kid probably doesn't want to wait another year to wrestle. JMO
I remember when Iowa wrestling was living by the motto " Steel Sharpens steel " and as of late we has sorta fell into the mode of lets not make the tough decisions because of possibly upsetting someone. I see it from both sides here, and i seriously understand the depth of the issues but do you honestly think Carl cares about hurting a guys feelings by recruiting over him? I mean he stacks the talented guys with the promise of NIL cash and better training partners and if you cant make the line up then you wait for a chance or you can move on. Sadly its the wave of the working future because the business model that Ira and Carl have installed is the best working version and the NCAA has little to no control over any of this free spending.
So if Griffith wants to come to Iowa you say no for fear that a current starter (who also isn't an All-American) MIGHT transfer out?
We're not winning next year regardless, but that "small delta" MIGHT make or break us bringing home a team trophy, which is important.
And you fail to look at Griffith's potential impact beyond next year. A healthy Griffith is a legit title threat, Kennedy is not. Plus if he has any freestyle aspirations then the HWC would likely be his next stop.
Everyone is in agreement that the portal will play a pivotal role in us getting back to the top and you don't get much bigger than the guy that's currently looking this way.
If he wanted to go 74 and was eyeing PSU do you really think Cael would shuffle his feet? No, he'd jump at the opportunity and let the chips fall.
And tbh if PK is such a delicate flower that he threatens to leave over a clearly better guy claiming his spot for one year, then so be it. He'd still have 2 years left and gains a year of experience rolling with a former champ in the room.
Could be a net gain for everyone.
This isn’t how it works. The coaches would have their finger on the pulse of the situation and be able to make a call.
But assuming he is a risk, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze here. 165 is a mix master of a weight. The difference between 5th and round of 12 is pretty small. Just depends on the day and the draw. PK is going to score far more NCAA tourney points for Iowa than Griffith ever will.
I’d think differently if Griffith was coming off a title but he’s clearly not that guy anymore. And I’d also be more open to it if he had multiple years left.
I am sure several people on this board have seen Griffin wrestle in person and can correct me if they disagree, but Shane is super tall and lanky at 165. I would not be the least bit surprised to see him at 174 next year regardless of where he lands.
Your theory doesn't hold up when you apply it to the monsters out east.
And I'm tired of this community walking on eggshells while simultaneously asking why we can't land the big names.
And PK will score far more? Let's pump the breaks until he actually finds the podium.
Griffith also beat Ramirez at NCAAs, who Kennedy lost to in the R16. He also beat Hamiti in the 5th place match who Kennedy is 0-2 against. Kennedy had a good win over Amine in the B1G semis, but looked otherwise completely pedestrian against top competition. He didn’t even sniff a takedown against Amine or Ramirez at NCAAs. Not sure how many points he’s scoring for Iowa at NCAAs in the future.
I did say that Griffith would be an upgrade. I just don't think its that big of an upgrade for 1 year, making a guy sit that has 3 years left.
To be clear, the ONLY surprise match where Kennedy didn't look good was against Ramirez. The other bad loss was Carr and he is simply a matchup nightmare for Kennedy. On top of that, Carr came out VERY motivated for that match. As far as the rest of the top competition goes, Kennedy wrestled Hamiti pretty damn tough both times and should learn quite a bit from those matches. He now knows to press Amine early and often and not let it get to the end of the match without a lead. Also, Griffith didn't even sniff a takedown against Amine either...
Kennedy is a top 10ish guy in a weightclass full of studs. With the right draw, I could see him take 3rd. With another draw like last year, R16 is still possible. Just don't sleep on him. By all accounts he is going to put in the work. Griffith has proven to be better, but that gap isn't significant...
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Lol “eggshells.” That’s silly. Everyone was balls deep on Nagao. No one once said we should stick with Teske.
And we’re not PSU. Newsflash for you there.
Griffith is a level above Kennedy and brands but I think him going to michigan or Rutgers would be best for all parties. Kennedy is the future for the next few years and starter experience will bring out his best. Brands is a legacy and coming off as an aa with one year left. I think Iowa should stick with what they've got and Griffith should aim for a better education for his masters.
While it would be great to win NCAAs and dominate every year, I am not a win at all costs guy. Relationships and loyalty and honor mean something.
PK is a high end recruit and has wrestled very well. He took another year on the bench behind Bull and is all in on Iowa. I think we owe him something for his devotion and loyalty and his high level wrestling skills. Now if he flopped and didn’t qualify for NCAAs or barely got in, that is different. If O’Toole or Carr was dying to come to Iowa, that is different - one of them would have to find a different weight to wrestle at.
But kicking PK to the curb for one year of Griffith (and giving NIL $ to do so) is just not something I would feel good about.
PK is a high end recruit and has wrestled very well. He took another year on the bench behind Bull and is all in on Iowa. I think we owe him something for his devotion and loyalty and his high level wrestling skills. Now if he flopped and didn’t qualify for NCAAs or barely got in, that is different. If O’Toole or Carr was dying to come to Iowa, that is different - one of them would have to find a different weight to wrestle at.
But kicking PK to the curb for one year of Griffith (and giving NIL $ to do so) is just not something I would feel good about.
I know one of his family members who told me he trying to go up, not cut down. How far up, I don’t know, maybe wants to challenge Assad at 284.
One could have set their clock to this. BM's coaching accomplishments are weak. ISU's guys aren't developing much under him. I'm on board with shaking up the staff but he wouldn't be on my list of must haves. If he had wrestled at Minnesota we wouldn't even be having this convo.
When I was at PSU in early 2000’s, I’m pretty sure there was a 75% discount on tuition for kids of university employees. Such an individual would not command scholarship monies. I can imagine @Cstroke and others might assume a similar scenario for other B1G institutions.
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