Sheryl Swoopes

[Franisdaman]

Gilbert Arenas we also guilty of misinformation and supporting Swoopes. He tried to make a point of all players need to play the same number of games for any record to count. How boorish. I am a grouchy old man that remembers Roger Maris and the "asterisk". But Swoopes is ridiculous for being so uninformed.

In 2009 Arenas got into an argument in the Washington Wizards locker room with teammate Javaris Crittenton. Arenas brought out 4 guns (Arenas said they were all unloaded). Crittenton pulled a gun as well (allegedly loaded).

Both were suspended the rest of the 2009-10 season and each faced criminal charges in Washington, which has some of the stiffest gun laws in the country.

Gilbert Arenas' threats to Javaris Crittenton came before infamous gun incident

Gilbert Arenas gave more details of the 2009 gun incident that led to suspension, charges against Arenas and Javaris Crittenton.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I don't like bringing race into issues....but SS is definitely bringing a preconceived race baiting argument that have no facts to support her argument

 

[hawkirugged17]

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

And how do you know this

 

[AMAYS]

So best tournament, WHY because they won? Clark scored an all time record 191 pts, had the most assists, and in the three elite games scored 41, (triple dub, NEVER EVER done before) 41, and 31 pts, all numbers that have NEVER been seen. If you’re saying that Swoopes was better because they won the title, I hate to tell you, but it’s a team game.

You highlight 191 points, but omit scoring average. Texas Tech had a bye in the ‘93 tourney, so Swoopes only played 5 games in winning the title. She scored 177 points in 5 games, an average of 35.4 points, the highest single tournament average for any WBB player ever to play in the Final 4. Clark averaged 31.8 points in last year’s NCAA tourney (6 games).

Swoopes scored 47 points in the national championship game, the highest point total by any player in any WBB Final Four game. She also carried her team over the line in the game’s final minutes, a game generally regarded as one of the best WBB championship games in NCAA Tournament history. Swoopes was named the Final Four’s Most Outstanding Player, an award Clark did not win. It’s a team game, but Swoopes carried her team to its only national championship. That, combined with her performance, gives her the edge over Clark, IMO.

Before last year, Swoopes’ ‘93 tournament has frequently been regarded by WBB people as the best single NCAA tournament ever. After last year, long-time WBB writer Michael Voepel put Swoopes 1 and Clark 2 as the most memorable NCAA tournament performances ever. I’d go with that order for best ever NCAA WBB tournament performances. But others may reasonably disagree. Arike and Taurasi are also in the conversation.

Even in defeat, Caitlin Clark's NCAA tournament run was one for the ages

It wasn't the end the Iowa faithful had hoped for, but there were memories. Here are the 10 most memorable women's NCAA tournament individual performances.

www.espn.com

Caitlin Clark sets Final Four record: Where Iowa star fits among greatest NCAA Tournament scoring performances

10 of the greatest women's basketball national championship games in history

In the over 40 years of NCAA women's basketball tournaments, there have been some championship blowouts, nail biters and down-right thrillers. We narrowed them all down to 10 of the greatest in history.

www.ncaa.com

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

LOL….you are the best!

Chaotic.....neutral.

 

[eyesofhawk]

You can understand a lot the frustration some of the former (and even current) greats of the women's game are having. People have basically crowned CC the GOAT, which is ridiculous. How is she the GOAT when she isn't even the best player in the world today? There will be at least some adjustment period for her in the WNBA. I'm not even so sure that JuJu Watkins isn't better than CC in the college game. In fact, I think in short time she will be.

But that was a really bad look for Swoopes. People can have their opinions; but at least back them up somewhat accurately. She made herself look bitter, lazy, and disrespectful, if not displaying a curious level of predisposition

 

[kceasthawk]

And how do you know this

CC is fierce competitor. Those super type A personalities don't roll with being clowned by someone publicly. Just IMHO.....

 

[kceasthawk]

You can understand a lot the frustration some of the former (and even current) greats of the women's game are having. People have basically crowned CC the GOAT, which is ridiculous. How is she the GOAT when she isn't even the best player in the world today? There will be at least some adjustment period for her in the WNBA. I'm not even so sure that JuJu Watkins isn't better than CC in the college game. In fact, I think in short time she will be.

But that was a really bad look for Swoopes. People can have their opinions; but at least back them up somewhat accurately. She made herself look bitter, lazy, and disrespectful, if not displaying a curious level of predisposition

Why exactly would you be so certain about Juju? As I said earlier it's going to take a lllooonnnggg four years for those records. To this point she's shown that she can score. I believe she also plays the point guard, and she had 2 assists in that game. CC would have been blown up as a ball hog if that had been her. How about we let Juju's career play out some before we judge her success, and see what other teams do with her, and how she handles everything.

 

[kceasthawk]

You highlight 191 points, but omit scoring average. Texas Tech had a bye in the ‘93 tourney, so Swoopes only played 5 games in winning the title. She scored 177 points in 5 games, an average of 35.4 points, the highest single tournament average for any WBB player ever to play in the Final 4. Clark averaged 31.8 points in last year’s NCAA tourney (6 games).

Swoopes scored 47 points in the national championship game, the highest point total by any player in any WBB Final Four game. She also carried her team over the line in the game’s final minutes, a game generally regarded as one of the best WBB championship games in NCAA Tournament history. Swoopes was named the Final Four’s Most Outstanding Player, an award Clark did not win. It’s a team game, but Swoopes carried her team to its only national championship. That, combined with her performance, gives her the edge over Clark, IMO.

Before last year, Swoopes’ ‘93 tournament has frequently been regarded by WBB people as the best single NCAA tournament ever. After last year, long-time WBB writer Michael Voepel put Swoopes 1 and Clark 2 as the most memorable NCAA tournament performances ever. I’d go with that order for best ever NCAA WBB tournament performances. But others may reasonably disagree. Arike and Taurasi are also in the conversation.

Even in defeat, Caitlin Clark's NCAA tournament run was one for the ages

It wasn't the end the Iowa faithful had hoped for, but there were memories. Here are the 10 most memorable women's NCAA tournament individual performances.

www.espn.com

Caitlin Clark sets Final Four record: Where Iowa star fits among greatest NCAA Tournament scoring performances

10 of the greatest women's basketball national championship games in history

In the over 40 years of NCAA women's basketball tournaments, there have been some championship blowouts, nail biters and down-right thrillers. We narrowed them all down to 10 of the greatest in history.

www.ncaa.com

All great info. Certainly your more informed then myself. But let me ask, is Swoopes' 47 points or Clarks 41 pts and 12 assist game a higher accomplislment? Did she play against a team thought of as unbeatable with a supposed best every defense like SC? Do you believe the Clark should have been the tourney MVP, (I do) or Reese who did little in the title game?

 

[intrepodor]

All great info. Certainly your more informed then myself. But let me ask, is Swoopes' 47 points or Clarks 41 pts and 12 assist game a higher accomplislment? Did she play against a team thought of as unbeatable with a supposed best every defense like SC? Do you believe the Clark should have been the tourney MVP, (I do) or Reese who did little in the title game?

Clark is correct answer.

 

[AMAYS]

All great info. Certainly your more informed then myself. But let me ask, is Swoopes' 47 points or Clarks 41 pts and 12 assist game a higher accomplislment? Did she play against a team thought of as unbeatable with a supposed best every defense like SC? Do you believe the Clark should have been the tourney MVP, (I do) or Reese who did little in the title game?

I would have voted for Clark. She would then have joined Dawn Staley (the player) as the only players named most outstanding player for a non-championship team.

 

[Reymundo]

 

[Terrykohawk]

You can understand a lot the frustration some of the former (and even current) greats of the women's game are having. People have basically crowned CC the GOAT, which is ridiculous. How is she the GOAT when she isn't even the best player in the world today? There will be at least some adjustment period for her in the WNBA. I'm not even so sure that JuJu Watkins isn't better than CC in the college game. In fact, I think in short time she will be.

But that was a really bad look for Swoopes. People can have their opinions; but at least back them up somewhat accurately. She made herself look bitter, lazy, and disrespectful, if not displaying a curious level of predisposition

Regarding Juju, just no. She is not better than Caitlin and she never will be. She may end up a better scorer but CC has a complete game. Juju does not. Juju will never have an assists average like CC and does not rebound like her. Is Juju a great player? Yes, especially for one so young but everyone please stop at the claims she is/will be better. Her game is different than Caitlin’s. Enjoy both but stop with the comparison comments.

 

[herkhatescy]

Why exactly would you be so certain about Juju? As I said earlier it's going to take a lllooonnnggg four years for those records. To this point she's shown that she can score. I believe she also plays the point guard, and she had 2 assists in that game. CC would have been blown up as a ball hog if that had been her. How about we let Juju's career play out some before we judge her success, and see what other teams do with her, and how she handles everything.

Moving to the BIG10 might drop Juju's numbers.

 

[cmhawks99]

You can understand a lot the frustration some of the former (and even current) greats of the women's game are having. People have basically crowned CC the GOAT, which is ridiculous. How is she the GOAT when she isn't even the best player in the world today? There will be at least some adjustment period for her in the WNBA. I'm not even so sure that JuJu Watkins isn't better than CC in the college game. In fact, I think in short time she will be.

But that was a really bad look for Swoopes. People can have their opinions; but at least back them up somewhat accurately. She made herself look bitter, lazy, and disrespectful, if not displaying a curious level of predisposition

Juju is going to be a star…I mean your talking about a 6-2 guard in womens basketball…I don’t think she has quite the handles CC does nor the floor vision, nor the range….not that she can’t get them..

But that’s the thing and the jealousy about CC. Many of us, me included didn’t watch women's b-ball unless we had a reason. My initial reason was one of my daughters.

Then Sam Logic grab my attention, then Megan, but this girl…..she is something else entirely. She is the closest thing women’s b-ball has ever gotten to the freewheeling NBA style. (I don’t even watch the NBA)

These bombs, there isn’t anyone currently or before that can consistently knock that shot down in the women’s game. Women can definitely be petty, can’t we all & I guarantee it makes some mad…

There also haven’t been very many who see the court like she does and can “whip” with the strength of a man, full length, cross court bullet passes…

There will be someday, but not now…

And to Lisa Bluders credit, her offense and team concept gave CC the perfect vehicle to star in…

 

[Hendy hawk]

whole lotta hate, anger, outrage and demands.

In all the forums on this site also unfortunately.

 

[tweeterhawk]

USA Today's Dan Wolken demolishes Swoopes with facts.

Sheryl Swoopes' incorrect digs at Caitlin Clark an example of old-fashioned player hatin'

Four-time WNBA champion Sheryl Swoopes is player hatin' on Caitlin Clark. It's just more evidence women's basketball has arrived.

www.yahoo.com

 

[cmhawks99]

There were two women on the Brazilian national team thirtyish years ago, Magic Paula and Hortencia Maria, who had a similar flare… They didn’t shoot from as far back, but they could get to the rack dribble behind their back and threw up acrobatic shots..

 

[QChawks]

 

[AuroraHawk]

She made it about race. Nobody else did.

FWIW, she referred to Kelsey Plum by first name and indicated that Clark breaking Plum’s record should come with an asterisk.

Kelsey Plum is white.

 

[cmhawks99]

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I hadn’t seen that whole clip.. wow did she **** that all up, and you cannot deny there was a certain element of bitterness there… Holy shit honestly where did she come up with all that information,? The Covid year is a reasonable mistake although she should’ve took the time to verify it, But the 25-year-old playing against 20-year-olds what the hell…

Yuck…. the whole clip is an even worse look than I had realized! I actually do try to avoid letting myself get too jaded, so I rarely dig down deep on scenarios like this but my goodness gracious was that brutal, she looks like a complete incompetent idiot & man…. Did she sound bitter!

 

[Hawksfor3]

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I hadn’t seen that whole clip.. wow did she **** that all up, and you cannot deny there was a certain element of bitterness there… Holy shit honestly where did she come up with all that information,? The Covid year is a reasonable mistake although she should’ve took the time to verify it, But the 25-year-old playing against 20-year-olds what the hell…

Yuck…. the whole clip is an even worse look than I had realized! I actually do try to avoid letting myself get to jaded, so I rarely dig down deep on scenarios like this but my goodness gracious was that brutal, she looks like a complete incompetent idiot & man. Did she sound bitter!

I imagine that one of the first things in Journalism is to do your research. That was not the case in this example. Perhaps, this will change going forward.

 

[shudaddy]

Regarding Juju, just no. She is not better than Caitlin and she never will be. She may end up a better scorer but CC has a complete game. Juju does not. Juju will never have an assists average like CC and does not rebound like her. Is Juju a great player? Yes, especially for one so young but everyone please stop at the claims she is/will be better. Her game is different than Caitlin’s. Enjoy both but stop with the comparison comments.

It will get harder for Juju to put up those big numbers as teams focus even more on shutting her down like they do with CC. Physical play, ball denials, double-teams...all of it. USC doesn't have other high-level scorers, so I would ball deny to wear her out & help off others on screens/drives to make others beat you.

That's where CC's passing is key because she's willing & able to find open players. Her assist numbers would be even higher if we had better post players......right @cmhawks99? 🤣

 

[cmhawks99]

Regarding Juju, just no. She is not better than Caitlin and she never will be. She may end up a better scorer but CC has a complete game. Juju does not. Juju will never have an assists average like CC and does not rebound like her. Is Juju a great player? Yes, especially for one so young but everyone please stop at the claims she is/will be better. Her game is different than Caitlin’s. Enjoy both but stop with the comparison comments.

I understand your sentiment but she is 6-2 and already averages, 6.9 RB, 3.4 Asst, 2.7 steaks & 1.6 blks…

Thats super impressive. I doubt she’ll ever shoot from 30 ft consistently and I don’t believe she sees the court, yet, or can throw the same kind of passes CC does, but she is the real deal.

 

[doughuddl2]

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Damn after listening to that, play one more year at Iowa and retire. Let Brittney Griner and the rest of the WNBALGBTQ find someone else to taste. Start coaching.

 

[longliveCS40]

To me, the hate for Clark is part of a larger issue that's always plagued women. They tear each other down.

They should all be celebrating the focus and excitement CC is bringing to women's basketball. It's really a bad look.

 

[tweeterhawk]

To me, the hate for Clark is part of a larger issue that's always plagued women. They tear each other down.

They should all be celebrating the focus and excitement CC is bringing to women's basketball. It's really a bad look.

I saw this daily in the workplace, even among the women at the highest levels of the company. My wife experienced this as well when she taught in the public schools. They can't stand other successful women. Women can be as professional and warm as they come, but get them in small groups they turn into nasty girls from junior high.

 

[BioHawk]

You can understand a lot the frustration some of the former (and even current) greats of the women's game are having. People have basically crowned CC the GOAT, which is ridiculous. How is she the GOAT when she isn't even the best player in the world today? There will be at least some adjustment period for her in the WNBA. I'm not even so sure that JuJu Watkins isn't better than CC in the college game. In fact, I think in short time she will be.

But that was a really bad look for Swoopes. People can have their opinions; but at least back them up somewhat accurately. She made herself look bitter, lazy, and disrespectful, if not displaying a curious level of predisposition

Let's see if JuJu can do what she did on a night in and night out basis before crowing her the next GOAT. 51 points was impressive, but anyone can have a great game. Can she average 30 points + some other stat (assists, rebounds) every game? I doubt it. At least not as a freshmen. But give her 3 more years and then we can see. Honestly, moreso than Clark's range and ability to drive the lane her consistency this year has been probably the most impressive part of her game. With all the expectations placed on her, every team keying in on her trying to find ways to stop her, and just the pressure of everyone coming to the game to watch Caitlin be Caitlin she has managed to deliver every game so far. So then they make up shit about how it is her fault a fan from the stands runs into her since they can't brag about how they shut her down.

Of course, if Caitlin sticks around for another year we will be able to watch JuJu and Clark play each other and answer that question on the court. Totally worth skipping the millions in the pros.

 

[ft254]

Caitlin has undoubtedly grown women's basketball and these clowns (Mulkey, Staley, Swoopes, etc) are only blunting (or perhaps destroying?) that progress

HROT is the only site I participate in but I look at postings on other sites. It's unreal how much anti-Clark sentiment there is out there. It goes with athletic celebrity and like addressed, jealousy and with women's athletics a lack of understanding.

Caitlin is a unique entity. Compared to an up-and-coming JuJu Watkins, Caitlin is a personality. The camera locks on and follows her. A Shawn Johnson in a basketball uniform. Watkins will never have that persona. The charisma that offends some charms most. It sells out arenas. Add massive talent to that layer and you have stardom on a scale I don't think has been quantified despite attempts by virtually all major networks and media.

 

[BioHawk]

HROT is the only site I participate in but I look at postings on other sites. It's unreal how much anti-Clark sentiment there is out there. It goes with athletic celebrity and like addressed, jealousy and with women's athletics a lack of understanding.

Caitlin is a unique entity. Compared to an up-and-coming JuJu Watkins, Caitlin is a personality. The camera locks on and follows her. A Shawn Johnson in a basketball uniform. Watkins will never have that persona. The charisma that offends some charms most. It sells out arenas. Add massive talent to that layer and you have stardom on a scale I don't think has been quantified despite attempts by virtually all major networks and media.

I think it is her cockiness. She says things like "I have unlimited range" or, "I knew it was in as soon as I shot it" and it pisses fans of other teams off. Mainly because she says those things and then goes and backs it up on the court. People watch her because they want to see her back up her talk. Some want to see her fail, but I think most people like watching her succeed. And every time she does it, more people watch the next time. She's also not boring on the court. She shows emotion and that is interesting.

But yeah, for the same reasons people hated Jordan, they are hating her. Or as the saying goes, "It ain't bragging if it's true".

 

[Chuck C]

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The Asian guy’s predictions at the end are 100% going to happen. Once CC’s merchandise outsells every other WNBA player, it’ll be because of racism.

 

[cmhawks99]

It will get harder for Juju to put up those big numbers as teams focus even more on shutting her down like they do with CC. Physical play, ball denials, double-teams...all of it. USC doesn't have other high-level scorers, so I would ball deny to wear her out & help off others on screens/drives to make others beat you.

That's where CC's passing is key because she's willing & able to find open players. Her assist numbers would be even higher if we had better post players......right @cmhawks99? 🤣

As my 19-year-old says… She should have five more assists a game if they would all quit missing layups!

 

[ft254]

I think it is her cockiness. She says things like "I have unlimited range" or, "I knew it was in as soon as I shot it" and it pisses fans of other teams off. Mainly because she says those things and then goes and backs it up on the court. People watch her because they want to see her back up her talk. Some want to see her fail, but I think most people like watching her succeed. And every time she does it, more people watch the next time. She's also not boring on the court. She shows emotion and that is interesting.

But yeah, for the same reasons people hated Jordan, they are hating her. Or as the saying goes, "It ain't bragging if it's true".

Well,...in both cases they prove their cases. BTW, I don't recall her saying she has unlimited range, but if she did I wouldn't mind. She does and I don't believe she is a braggard.

 

[BioHawk]

Well,...in both cases they prove their cases. BTW, I don't recall her saying she has unlimited range, but if she did I wouldn't mind. She does and I don't believe she is a braggard.

She has. I don't know if a link to her saying that exists, but I've heard her say it.

 

[cmhawks99]

To me, the hate for Clark is part of a larger issue that's always plagued women. They tear each other down.

They should all be celebrating the focus and excitement CC is bringing to women's basketball. It's really a bad look.

This is a HUGE statement…and very true.

 

[ft254]

She has. I don't know if a link to her saying that exists, but I've heard her say it.

I believe 'ya.

 

[AEG82]

Why exactly would you be so certain about Juju? As I said earlier it's going to take a lllooonnnggg four years for those records. To this point she's shown that she can score. I believe she also plays the point guard, and she had 2 assists in that game. CC would have been blown up as a ball hog if that had been her. How about we let Juju's career play out some before we judge her success, and see what other teams do with her, and how she handles everything.

Regarding Juju, just no. She is not better than Caitlin and she never will be. She may end up a better scorer but CC has a complete game. Juju does not. Juju will never have an assists average like CC and does not rebound like her. Is Juju a great player? Yes, especially for one so young but everyone please stop at the claims she is/will be better. Her game is different than Caitlin’s. Enjoy both but stop with the comparison comments.

Yeah, these 100%. JuJu may be great but I have a hard time believing we'll see anyone with the range and versatility of Clark in women's basketball for a while longer, if ever. JuJu may end up being a great scorer, pretty evident she will be already, but having the versatility of Clark is where others will falter. CC is a generational or transcendental player like Curry. Pure scorers are great but they're limited in some capacity. CC isn't limited in any single area other than turnovers. If Caitlin wanted, I firmly believe she could average 36-40+ a game. JuJu won't be able to do that I speculate, especially not after being in the B1G next season.

 

[cmhawks99]

Yeah, these 100%. JuJu may be great but I have a hard time believing we'll see anyone with the range and versatility of Clark in women's basketball for a while longer, if ever. JuJu may end up being a great scorer, pretty evident she will be already, but having the versatility of Clark is where others will falter. CC is a generational or transcendental player like Curry. Pure scorers are great but they're limited in some capacity. CC isn't limited in any single area other than turnovers. If Caitlin wanted, I firmly believe she could average 36-40+ a game. JuJu won't be able to do that I speculate, especially not after being in the B1G next season.

Your over arching point is fine, but in my opinion Curry is just a “pure scorer”, not much of a defender, rebounder or passer…

Juju likely will eventually avg a double double Pts rebounds, she avgs 7 as a Frosh and she already avgs 3.4 assists….

Now I doubt she’ll ever have Clark’s range, (honestly who does) nor her court vision or total passing ability but to suggest she isn’t pretty complete already isn’t born out by her stats…

 

[hoffmkr]

In the last 40 years of watching CBB, I’ve seen all sorts of flavor of the year leading scores.
What impresses me is leading the country in scoring AND assists at same time. Now let’s count how many people did it twice?
That is honestly more impressive to me than scoring 30th per game.