SIAP: Wieskamp testing NBA waters
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If I was a college basketball coach, I would advise my entire roster to get evaluated every year. It's been written many times that the feedback kids get is valuable. Assuming that is true, I can't see why you wouldn't want every player on the team to go through this process.
I somewhat understand your point but the NBA isn’t going to waste their time giving feedback to players who are not legitimate NBA prospects
Fair enough. Honestly, I don't know the process. Can anyone request an evaluation? Are all evaluation requests granted?
I think we can agree that every year there are guys who "test the waters" who are not legitimate prospects.
Seems like someone who made the all Big 10 freshman team should be on the radar for NBA scouts.
He appears to be the best NBA prospect we have recruited in a long time. He has the size and athleticism to be able to guard NBA wings, and is a great rebounder. He will make a living playing, it is just a matter of when. I would imagine his feedback will include improving his game off the bounce.
Gotta love when this stuff happens and gets posted on social media, people who don’t understand the process lose their sh!t saying he’s not ready and not a team player and all that.
How dare he do this?! If he doesn't want to be a Hawk get outta here & don't come back! Who does he think he is...right Iowa fans?
Gotcha, sorry, I thought you saying he's not a legitimate prospect. I can see no reason why he wouldn't be doing this.
From my limited understanding of the process it's an option that appears to have zero downside for the player. He get's a free evaluation and can return to school with that information.
I think there is virtually no chance that JW declares for the draft this year.
I think there is virtually no chance that JW declares for the draft this year.
His evaluation will say "Needs to work on consistency of 23 foot corner bank shot".
Some fans seem yo resented Tyler Cook doing this last year and harped on him all year as selfishly playing for NBA scouts rather than being a team player.
JoeW. better not take any forced shots next season or he could draw comparison to Tyler....or not.
JoeW. better not take any forced shots next season or he could draw comparison to Tyler....or not.
I think Joe is here a minimum of 3 seasons and maybe he uses all of his eligibility. There's plenty of time to get paid for your skills after college is done and he will get paid quite well eventually.
Agreed. However, I would encourage anyone who has a shot at a pro career, either in the state or overseas, to go through the process. For teams like Iowa or Iowa State, that would likely mean 3-4 in a given year. I mean, most upper half P5 teams should have 3-4 guys on their roster that have a shot at being a pro somewhere, even if it's not the NBA.
The preparation for this opportunity, then practicing with and competing against high level players is a huge plus on its own.
I’m surprised Wieskamp isn’t rated similarly to THT at Iowa State as a potential draft pick. Seems to me they both played about the same this year, sometimes great, and some games not so much, which you would expect from a highly-rated freshman.
It would benefit all college teams if their top young players returned every year, but if the NBA comes calling, you oughta go, especially if it’s guaranteed money. The NBA drafts more on “potential” than college accomplishments.
It would benefit all college teams if their top young players returned every year, but if the NBA comes calling, you oughta go, especially if it’s guaranteed money. The NBA drafts more on “potential” than college accomplishments.
I think it has more to do with the fact it was known that Tyler’s goal was to leave after his Sophomore season and that he waited literally until the last minute to come back. Then you see him trying to do things that he can’t or shouldn’t do on the court, then yeah people are going to question if he’s playing for the team.
I don’t see anyone comparing Moss to Cook this year even though he went through the process. The understanding was Moss likely was just trying to gauge how he was viewed, the same as Joe is likely doing. Obviously, I think Joe has a much, mich more viable chance of being an NBA player then Moss (and Cook for that matter).
If Moss had come back this year and tried to play PG and turned it over every other time down the court, then yeah prople could question more. As it is, I don’t think Moss is above average in any facet of the game so when he makes mistake, I just shrug I off that Moss just isn’t that good.
If Joe gets evaluated this year and comes back next year and starts doing all sorts of things that he is incapable of doing (an still tries to do them) while also giving inconsistent effort, I and I’m sure others will be calling him out. I have a feeling that won’t be the case.
Smart to do. If you’re serious about your basketball future and you have the opportunity to use this service, you would be foolish not to. That being said, it is scary to think how early he could leave.
If he makes a big time leap next year, he could consider it. I don’t think he would leave that early. Denzel Valentine stayed all four years and stuck in the league. Unless you are a physical freak like THT, I wouldn’t suggest leaving early to any prospect.
If he makes a big time leap next year, he could consider it. I don’t think he would leave that early. Denzel Valentine stayed all four years and stuck in the league. Unless you are a physical freak like THT, I wouldn’t suggest leaving early to any prospect.
If he stays 4 years his value will go down. NBA likes the puppies.
I don't blame JW for taking advantage of this.
My only fear is he impresses and well....doesn't come back. I can't imagine how good his game will be when paired up with a quality PG.
My only fear is he impresses and well....doesn't come back. I can't imagine how good his game will be when paired up with a quality PG.
If Joe sees his offensive efficiency dip by about 20% next season I will complain. Because that’s how far he would have to drop to be as bad as Tyler’s.
Cook’s turnover rate this season was only marginally worse than last year (and better than his freshman season), and his assist rate improved drastically. An occasional extra TO here and there is a small price to pay for drastically improved playmaking, especially considering Cook was the only player on the team who could actually make plays for others.
It’s funny how peoples’ complaints about Cook aren’t actually supported by statistics. People just love to rip the guy to shreds for no reason and it’s disgusting to see.
Too bad Fran can't declare and get some feedback
Here is my problem with this test the NBA draft waters - what a guy needs to do to improve their NBA draft stock are NOT the same skills/improvements that could make for a better college player.
Take Tyler Cook for example, he was trying prove he has the ability to drive and take shots away from the basket. Be more of an individual player, essentially. Basically, the opposite of what we needed him to do for the Hawks.
So, here we are with more and more college players trying to make themselves an NBA prospect, not the best team player for their school. That is not good for college ball, IMHO.
Take Tyler Cook for example, he was trying prove he has the ability to drive and take shots away from the basket. Be more of an individual player, essentially. Basically, the opposite of what we needed him to do for the Hawks.
So, here we are with more and more college players trying to make themselves an NBA prospect, not the best team player for their school. That is not good for college ball, IMHO.
I’ve laid out my argument with stats - along with eye year everyone can see unless they are intentionally burying their head - in multiple threads and I’m not about to do it again.
It’s really perplexing and annoying to see people only look at his scoring and rebound average and use that as proof of his greatness despite what they saw and despite what the stats say if you look at then more in-depth.
Let’s be clear, I want Cook to be great. I want him here under the right scenario and with a revised approach by him and Fran. He could be a huge piece to what could be a GREAT year. He is talented and athletic. I just don’t want him here as a detriment to the team and have to watch him become a negative and watching him not give full effort all the time.
If you think Cook was a detriment or a net negative to the team this season, you don’t know **** about basketball. Full stop.
Free throw rate increased, rebounding rate increased, assist rate increased, defensive advanced metrics increased drastically. The only metrics that really went down are his scoring efficiency and a marginal downturn in turnover rate. To claim that he was a detriment to the team is laughably ignorant.
Also: have you ever considered the possibility that by Fran allowing his most talented player to attempt to expand his game, he is making Iowa a more attractive destination for future recruits? Pretty easy to pitch: look at what we allow a guy like Tyler Cook to do for our offense; if you come here you can similarly be the focal point of the offense that will allow you to showcase your vast array of skills.
LOL...LOL
If you're going to say his turnovers were only marginally worse then don't go making things up about his assist rate, because you did. While playing more mpg this year his assists per game went from 1.8 to 2.4. DRASTIC! LOL
Maybe you should learn what assist rate is before entering this thread, chief.
Not saying he was a detriment but while playing more mpg his rebounding went up LESS than 1 per game, his assists went up .6 per game, ft % went down, turnovers up, fg % down by more than 5 points. Not what I would call good improvements. And dont even start on his defense, its friggin atrocious. As a 6'9 player who can jump out of the gym, averaging one half a block per game is ridiculous. Mostly because he rarely tried to and instead gave up free baskets most of the time.
Maybe you should learn what PER is, as tylers went down nearly 3 points from last year. Thats what you personally would call a drastic decline, in a stat far more important than any you've named. Also his ws/40 is down from last year. That's not good.
Lol...PER is probably the least important advanced metric. Welcome to ten years ago, Wendall.
Based on your replies to me and others, I know we know more about basketball then you do. You sure are getting really worked up trying to defend him. I've typed this stuff over and over so I am not going to waste time doing it again because you obviously have an agenda. No one is arguing he can't be a very integral part of the team or that he isn't talented. But there were many examples by him trying to be the focal point and doing things that he is not good at hurt the team - that's not to mention he OBVIOUSLY (and if you say otherwise I know you are lying or didn't watch) did not give full effort all the time on defense, rebounding, going after loose balls, and on and on. And it seems Fran was ok with that and I will say I consider that not a great coaching move by him. I believe the TEAM (which is what I care about as a fan more then one player) will function better either without Cook or with Cook but with him and Fran adjusting his approach and style to better benefit the team.
Yes, being efficient is not important at all in basketball. Having your assists go up by .6 per game and 4% overall is MUCH more important. LOL, keep digging. And, again, i don't think he was a detriment overall, but his game was very very lacking in a lot of ways.
