So if Frost is the Savior for Debbie
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Lol, hell no! But he’ll be the savior for the other 13 teams in the B1G! Scott Flop has arrived.
Legacy players are rarely successful at their alma mater, at least as far as I can remember.
Who else besides Steve Spurrier at Florida? Certainly hasn't happened at Michigan yet.
Who else besides Steve Spurrier at Florida? Certainly hasn't happened at Michigan yet.
Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State has been a success I would say. But yeah, there aren't that many.
I do think he can get them back to 8-9 wins but I don’t see that style of offense working in the B1G.
I didn't realize he played at Georgia. He's in year two, right?
I don't know that Frost is Nebraska's savior, but I am confident that he'll put a better product on the field than Riley and Co.
Even more, pressure to succeed as expectations from the Bug Eaters are higher.
I tell ya, weirdly enough, based on the pulse of the fanbase, people are actually ready to be patient. The program is lower than it's been in many years, and people just want to see better play and effort. Look, I know there is the group of fans that are going to scream championship every year (I know, I know), but a lot of us really are excited to watch this grow.
I would agree with that Atlanta. People want to see the program run in a similar fashion to how it was run during the Osborne years. Obviously there are different circumstances: it's a different time in a different conference against a different level of competition for one. But there's one thing that can be implemented from that time which is a mentality. Nebraska didn't have that mentality during Riley's 3 years and the mentality of the program during Pelini's time reflected him as a person: tough and rugged at times but lost their composure when things went against them. The level of success probably won't be nearly as much or as consistent as it was during the 30 or so years of consistent winning we had here. There's his obvious ties to the program, as well as his experience playing and coaching on both sides of the ball over the last 25 years of his life for some of the game's great minds. Then you take into account the success at UCF, and while it's not in a major conference, an undefeated team in FBS football in 2017 is an accomplishment in itself. So even taking out the fact that he's from the state and was the quarterback of the last national championship team at Nebraska, he still has a quality resume and is only 42 which is why other major programs were interested in him as well.
I think there is talent in the program and an improved team can be expected this next year, but it will like take 2 or 3 years before they can truly contend for a division and possibly conference title. Wisconsin followed by Iowa are to me the clear leaders in the West at the moment, Northwestern probably just behind them, and then followed by Nebraska (yes I know Minnesota beat the piss out of the Huskers). There is a ladder to climb and it won't happen overnight. Nebraska has a tough in-conference schedule next season, obviously having to play Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern within the division but also Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State from the East. Winning 7 or 8 games this next season will be a successful season in my eyes, and while that probably won't mean a top-25 season, it's progress given the poor play throughout the season and lack of effort towards the end of the season. Hell even a bowl game and some heart shown will be progress. I truly think he will get that effort from the players - call me delusional - and eventually will help rebuild a program not necessarily to a yearly national championship contender, but at least a program the state and the program's fans can be proud of for the foreseeable future.
I think there is talent in the program and an improved team can be expected this next year, but it will like take 2 or 3 years before they can truly contend for a division and possibly conference title. Wisconsin followed by Iowa are to me the clear leaders in the West at the moment, Northwestern probably just behind them, and then followed by Nebraska (yes I know Minnesota beat the piss out of the Huskers). There is a ladder to climb and it won't happen overnight. Nebraska has a tough in-conference schedule next season, obviously having to play Wisconsin, Iowa, and Northwestern within the division but also Michigan, Ohio State, and Michigan State from the East. Winning 7 or 8 games this next season will be a successful season in my eyes, and while that probably won't mean a top-25 season, it's progress given the poor play throughout the season and lack of effort towards the end of the season. Hell even a bowl game and some heart shown will be progress. I truly think he will get that effort from the players - call me delusional - and eventually will help rebuild a program not necessarily to a yearly national championship contender, but at least a program the state and the program's fans can be proud of for the foreseeable future.
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I can’t believe how many of you expect Frost to flop. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. Based on his coaching resume to this point, there is every reason to believe he’ll be a great Power 5 coach, especially in such a winnable division.
If Brian Ferentz took over Ball St next season and had them 13-0 and in the NY6 in ‘18, you’d be singing his praises.
If Brian Ferentz took over Ball St next season and had them 13-0 and in the NY6 in ‘18, you’d be singing his praises.
- I do not expect him to flop. I am just not sure his offense translates well to the upper midwest. Remember Rich Rod at Michigan.
It is interesting that a very similar hire at Michigan right now is basically struggling.
Opptomistic Husker fans I get. But blindly optomisic I don't and they seem aplenty.
In Frost there is a huge financial AND emotional investment. Gonna wish him success, but should he fail ... wow.
Opptomistic Husker fans I get. But blindly optomisic I don't and they seem aplenty.
In Frost there is a huge financial AND emotional investment. Gonna wish him success, but should he fail ... wow.
True, but both had the ground work laid out for them by their mentors. Chryst has certainly stayed the course for Bucky, but its not like he had to come in and turn around a failing program.
When Urban was hired by OSU the rest of the Big Ten had to get better or get left behind. If Frost is able to right the ship it is better for the conference as a whole. The West division could become very interesting and competitive in the next 3 years.
I think it is wishful thinking. Even though Riley was sucking on the field, he still brought in two top 25 recruiting classes the last two years. If Frost merely keeps that up, doesn't even improve, he should have Nebraska competing for B10 West titles very soon. If he gets a real QB then he might do even more damage. He obviously needs to find a salty defensive coordinator, though. That might take a little more time to turn that D around, but I don't know much about their young talent. I don't think Iowa will be able to count on many more gimmes from Nebraska at the end of the year.
In fairness to Paul, he and his staff had to undue the "damage" done by GA in the short time he was in Wisconsin. Still working on some aspects of it.
Very true. Except ....
I don't agree with most that say Nebby is a failing program. The team is lost right now, but I think that the program is far from being in shambles. Huge loyal fan, and money, base is a good start to a quick repair.
Riley was a horrible hire. If Frost is a really good coach, I'll bet they improve their play immediately. Pretty tough schedule next year for them - especially on the road. With 7 very winnable games at home (Mich St will be tough), I could see them picking up as many as 8 wins next year simply based on better coaching.
I'd certainly bow to you in having more info on what goes on inside the program in Wisconsin. Just seems that with BA at the helm the program has maintained a consistent level throughout several coaching changes. Not knocking what Chryst has done. I would have had him in the running for coach of the year in the BIG, a long with Brohm at Purdue for obvious reasons, and Dantonio for lifting MSU back out of the mess they were in last season, and with the offseason defections and dismissals.
I think Frost will be Nebraska's best coach since Osborne. I think he will do a good job there and it will be interesting if Iowa can step up there game to compete against him. Frost is a better coach then Brohm and we see how that turned out this year!
I wouldn't call fans blindly optimistic, just being good loyal fans. I look for the positive side every year. Some years I am happy, other years understanding. Take this year, we are one or two plays away from beating PSU, MSU and NW. But we are also a couple of plays away from losing to ISU and MN. There are injuries and just the bad bounce of the ball to change the outcome. Emotional energy is another factor (Purdue loss). At the end of the day/season, it is still a game. Merry Christmas to all.
Not discounting your post, but I'm not sure how you can say Frost is a better coach the Brohm, or that he'll be the best coach since Osbourne. He has a pretty small sample size to evaluate at this point. If he accomplishes what Solich or Pelini did at Nebraska, that would be a pretty good start.
He has won everywhere he's been. He was OC at Oregon, they play for national Title, he leaves it falls apart. Goes to a school who didn't win a game and in the first year they are 6-6 and in his second year they are undefeated. That is impressive no matter who you played! He relates to the kids, they want him to coach the bowl game. That says a lot about him, IMO.
I could care less about what he and Debbie do but henceforth he should always be called "scooter".
I agree. His track record speaks for itself and he comes across as a guy who really has it together. He's also assembled a pretty solid group of assistants.
Yep. Seems like a good guy though. He also came off to me that he was pressured a little bit into coming back to Nebraska. Seemed annoyed with the Nebraska fishbowl already
Yeah winning 7 or 8 with Michigan, MSU and OSU as cross-overs would be a tremendous year. I'm not sure they will be favored in any of the road games (Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, OSU, Northwestern) and the home games against MSU and Colorado will be tests.
I do think Frost will do very well at Nebraska. But that all depends on your definition of very well. Within 4-5 years, he will have them in a conference title game I believe. And probably semi-regularly after that.
I don't know that I'd classify Harbaugh as "struggling" although I enjoy seeing him lose as much as the next guy. Switched over the scheme from the Rich Rod spread and transitioned to actually playing defense and won 9, 10 and 8 regular season games in his first 3 years. Eyelash away from conference title and playoff in 2016. Yes, he needs to play in the Big 10 title game in the next year or two to keep the momentum, but the future at Michigan looks good.
All well and good, and you might be right on the money, but there's no way to know at this point. Being the OC and doing well doesn't mean great HC. He wasn't coaching in the BIG the last couple of years, so there's that to consider. Also remember that Pelini won at least nine games or more every year, so Frost will have to win 10 to 11 games EVERY year to better his tenure. Just saying Nebraska hasn't been as bad as some here would like to think, until the AD lost his mind, and hired Riley. A mistake he paid for with his job.
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