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So no Downey

The Iowa staff isn’t under any obligation to announce whether an incoming athlete, not yet on the Iowa roster, is going to compete at a holiday tournament.

Of course, fans are interested, but that interest wasn’t generated by our coaches, who have said virtually nothing publicly about PDIII being a Hawk. Speculation is fine, but it’s purely a matter of fans’ curiosity.

PDIII probably should have kept a lower profile about possibly competing at Midlands, but I’m sure he’s totally fired up about getting back on the mat, and I don’t necessarily blame him for sharing his enthusiasm.

It’s not our staff’s job to satisfy our every curiosity in a timely fashion. I respect the way they’ve focused on the guys currently in the roster and steered clear of public statements about Pat’s status. Once he’s officially a Hawkeye, I’m sure we’ll get plenty of our questions answered.

You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.
 
You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

It is hard to say if TnT are disorganized or they just don't keep up with all the chatter on HR. A lot of rumors get started and have a life of their own on this site. Then when nothing happens, people consider it a reflection of TnT's lack of organization. Hard to blame TnT for that.

As far as PD3 goes, he starts a lot of talk and has a history of not finishing it. It is hard to blame TnT for that.

The only thing I put on TnT is their unrealistic expectations. If you are building a house, you have to accept that it is not finished half way thru. This is a rebuilding year and I am not sure they can handle the losses that will come with it. I can see the perception some people have of them being "out there" or "unhinged" when they don't admit to the obvious or go nuts in certain situations. (poking a ref) as an example)
 
You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

The coaching staff doesn't owe you & I shit. They are however obliged to follow NCAA rules. You just sound pretty butthurt.
 
The coaching staff doesn't owe you & I shit. They are however obliged to follow NCAA rules. You just sound pretty butthurt.
Can you expand on the NCAA rules comment.
Also, if PD isn't enrolled at Iowa, can he just enter the tournament on his own unattached or does he have to represent a college or wrestling club?
 
Can you expand on the NCAA rules comment.
Also, if PD isn't enrolled at Iowa, can he just enter the tournament on his own unattached or does he have to represent a college or wrestling club?

He can't wrestle with the College team & I am pretty sure Tom can't even talk about him in the media, until he is on the team.
 
I have a relevant picture to put here, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get it here. It is a from my pictures, so should I be able to copy and paste? I have tried to do that but nothing seems to happen. Techno wise I am a little bit stupid, plain and simple. Thank you in advance for not making fun of me. :cool:
 
He can't wrestle with the College team & I am pretty sure Tom can't even talk about him in the media, until he is on the team.
It is true a coach can not discuss a recruit until he/she has signed a loi, or is on team (walk-on). However, as a member of the Hawk wrestling club there should be some sort of leeway.
 
You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

Downey is not on the team and not under their control. They don't decide what media outlets run for stories.
 
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You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

If you would have included the green sweater you would have got everything. Please have organize your attack of the coaching staff!
 
I have a relevant picture to put here, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get it here. It is a from my pictures, so should I be able to copy and paste? I have tried to do that but nothing seems to happen. Techno wise I am a little bit stupid, plain and simple. Thank you in advance for not making fun of me. :cool:

It’s a little messy but you can download free Photobucket app from App Store and upload your pic into the app then once downloaded touch pic and you will see an I w a circle at the bottom. Touch that and again Long touch and you will see direct link. You can then Long hold the picture icon at the top of your message and you should be able to paste the link from photobucket app.

There may be an easier way but this is the method that I use. I am by no means an expert or tech savvy either.
 
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You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

The coaching staff doesn't owe you & I shit. They are however obliged to follow NCAA rules. You just sound pretty butthurt.

Actually, they do. We are the only reason they have jobs.
 
Can you expand on the NCAA rules comment.
Also, if PD isn't enrolled at Iowa, can he just enter the tournament on his own unattached or does he have to represent a college or wrestling club?

He can't wrestle with the College team & I am pretty sure Tom can't even talk about him in the media, until he is on the team.

Why would they not be able to talk about him? They talk about recruits before they step foot on campus. They talk about wrestlers on other teams. What rule is there?
 
The coaching staff doesn't owe you & I shit. They are however obliged to follow NCAA rules. You just sound pretty butthurt.

I was just offering my perspective. Why is Iowa not even getting any of the top Iowa recruits? Why is Iowa not even listed on most top recruits top 5 anymore. Adding Downey is only going to make this problem worst. If Downey is part of the HWC and they (TnT & Perry) have no control what he puts on social media, then it should be an entertaining next few months. Also, please leave my butt out of the conversation - thanks in advance.
 
You are correct, the staff is not contractually obligated to be transparent to their fanbase, but you do have fans spending hundreds of dollars to support the Hawkeyes this weekend. The staff allowed every wrestling media outlet do a story on Pat Downey and then he is not competing. My take is that TnT currently have a perception of being unorganized with no plan. Recent examples include Downey getting pulled at the last minute of WNO, Downey getting pulled at the last minute of Midland's, a To Be Determine surprise at wrestle-offs that was Perez Perez, Gilman replacing Tom at Fight Night, the future of 174 being a backup at 165 all year, etc. Will they Free the Lee or will they also make that decision 10 minutes before the Oklahoma State dual? The Midland's wanted to create some pre-tournament buzz (like every other year) with pre-seeds and Iowa could not even turn their roster in on time. I hope the Hawkeye's wrestle well this weekend, but they need more than a 3-inch binder to improve their PR image.

Are there more examples? Some of those are pretty weak.
 
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He can't wrestle with the College team & I am pretty sure Tom can't even talk about him in the media, until he is on the team.

At the get together before Iawrestle’s event at Carver, Tom wouldn’t even let him come upstairs at The Vine. He stayed downstairs and ate his dinner. Course he could have just been playing I safe in case an ISU Fan was up there and Downey punched him.
 
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I was just offering my perspective. Why is Iowa not even getting any of the top Iowa recruits? Why is Iowa not even listed on most top recruits top 5 anymore. Adding Downey is only going to make this problem worst. If Downey is part of the HWC and they (TnT & Perry) have no control what he puts on social media, then it should be an entertaining next few months. Also, please leave my butt out of the conversation - thanks in advance.
Another troll with few posts. We get it. Go away.
 
At the get together before Iawrestle’s event at Carver, Tom wouldn’t even let him come upstairs at The Vine. He stayed downstairs and ate his dinner. Course he could have just been playing I safe in case an ISU Fan was up there and Downey punched him.

It has to be a much finer line to walk when you have those kids on campus working out with the club. Would never happen with the ball & stick sports.
 
It has to be a much finer line to walk when you have those kids on campus working out with the club. Would never happen with the ball & stick sports.

Those sports have their own challenges with camps, AAU hoops, etc. Similar but different issues.
 
So is Downey on the team or not?

Status update:

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