Some things I deeply believe about this election

[Huey Grey]

She’s on record saying she supports funding the transition of federal prisoners.

Holy shit, dude, just stop.

 

[gohawks50]

She’s on record saying she supports funding the transition of federal prisoners.

I don't believe she said it during this election cycle. In 2020, with the unrest, there was a movement to the left among many of the Democratic candidates. I'm pretty sure that's when the statement was made, but the clips I've seen lack context.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Jfc, more trans talk. Just admit it already. You don't care about the economy, the border, crime, wars, healthcare, or infrastructure. What you really care about is going after minorities.

lol, I admitted the economy seems to be doing better, I don’t trust Democrats on the border based on history and the last 4 years. I do think Trump can help slow the influx of criminals, but admit we need workers. Just need a better system that allows fewer people in after a strong vetting. Crime isn’t down. We know that’s bullshit. We do need to improve infrastructure. I am giving you the answers to why people didn’t or won’t vote, you can laugh or whatever. The Democrats die on whatever hill they choose.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Holy shit, dude, just stop.

She is, in 2019. Are we ignoring facts but clinging to concentration camps?

 

[ClarindaA's]

I don't believe she said it during this election cycle. In 2020, with the unrest, there was a movement to the left among many of the Democratic candidates. I'm pretty sure that's when the statement was made, but the clips I've seen lack context.

Check the article i linked, it was 2019, it’s still a no from me. I know people can change, but don’t think the way the democrats are going she would change back to center. She hasn’t responded to any push on this

 

[Huey Grey]

She is, in 2019. Are we ignoring facts but clinging to concentration camps?

Even if she did, who cares? Why are you people so obsessed with trans bashing?

 

[ClarindaA's]

Even if she did, who cares? Why are you people so obsessed with trans bashing?

So you go from no she didn’t. To even if she did who cares? It’s tax payer money spend on migrants and the incarcerated, on sex changes. It’s not trans bashing. It’s common sense to lot waste more money on unnecessary surgeries on people who don’t pay taxes or who are in prison. Don’t play the victim all the time

 

[Huey Grey]

So you go from no she didn’t. To even if she did who cares? It’s tax payer money spend on migrants and the incarcerated, on sex changes. It’s not trans bashing. It’s common sense to lot waste more money on unnecessary surgeries on people who don’t pay taxes or who are in prison. Don’t play the victim all the time

It is trans bashing. And the GOP is acting like it's the most important issue out there. It's nonsense pretending that trans people existing is the most important issue of our time. Like embarrassing nonsense.

 

[gohawks50]

Check the article i linked, it was 2019, it’s still a no from me. I know people can change, but don’t think the way the democrats are going she would change back to center. She hasn’t responded to any push on this

It's the law so it's not going to change if Trump wins the White House.

 

[ClarindaA's]

It is trans bashing. And the GOP is acting like it's the most important issue out there. It's nonsense pretending that trans people existing is the most important issue of our time. Like embarrassing nonsense.

Dude, not many Americans want to pay for it, many think it’s weird, if it sways votes, it’s a winning strategy. I’m for trans people being happy, but I don’t think we’re should pay for the surgery. I also don’t think t women in womens sports should happen, but an ok with you all living your best life otherwise.

 

[Huey Grey]

Dude, not many Americans want to pay for it, many think it’s weird, if it sways votes, it’s a winning strategy. I’m for trans people being happy, but I don’t think we’re should pay for the surgery. I also don’t think t women in womens sports should happen, but an ok with you all living your best life otherwise.

Who. Gives. A. Shit. Why are we even talking about it? Why aren't we talking about solutions to real problems? You know the answer. It's because the Rs have no solutions to real problems. Which is why they conjure up this trans issue. To pretend that they can actually do their jobs. Which they clearly cannot.

 

[HROT]

Dude, not many Americans want to pay for it, many think it’s weird, if it sways votes, it’s a winning strategy. I’m for trans people being happy, but I don’t think we’re should pay for the surgery. I also don’t think t women in womens sports should happen, but an ok with you all living your best life otherwise.

Then you’re going to be pissed about Trump’s first administration

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

After reading OPs post this thread has gone exactly as I expected.

I’m going to be the rare Harris voter to agree with OP in one regard. I don’t think Trump voters are all bad people. Some are but far from all of them.

I do believe that the average Trump voter is either deliberately ignorant or is of lower intelligence. As such they are either unwilling or unable to understand the issues in a way that would lead to the obvious conclusion that Trump is unfit for office.

This does not make them bad people. It makes them gullible and stubborn.

You will never reach these people through a message of divisiveness and hate. It is FAR better to try to understand why they are that way and look for bridges we can build to reach them. It’s that or we continue to split our country in two which is not in anyone’s best interest.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

After reading OPs post this thread has gone exactly as I expected.

I’m going to be the rare Harris voter to agree with OP in one regard. I don’t think Trump voters are all bad people. Some are but far from all of them.

I do believe that the average Trump voter is either deliberately ignorant or is of lower intelligence. As such they are either unwilling or unable to understand the issues in a way that would lead to the obvious conclusion that Trump is unfit for office.

This does not make them bad people. It makes them gullible and stubborn.

You will never reach these people through a message of divisiveness and hate. It is FAR better to try to understand why they are that way and look for bridges we can build to reach them. It’s that or we continue to split our country in two which is not in anyone’s best interest.

This is what they are voting for:

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

This is what they are voting for:

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Trump is a bad person and he will damage our country if elected (not permanently IMO, but I don’t want to see it damaged the way I think he will).

I think many of his supporters are obtuse on who the man is and/or have a two digit IQ. These people are not reading the NYT.

We have to be willing to rebuke Trump in the strongest possible terms while extending grace to his followers if we want to heal as a nation. The other path is not in anyone’s best interest.

 

[nelly02]

These people are funny, last time they fell for the "build a wall and Mexico will pay for it", now they're falling for "deport all of them'". Some people will fall for anything and refuse to look at what really happened.

Thankfully it would never happen because he's an incompetent boob because it would be devastating to this country to do what he is saying. And the morons like clarinda don't see how bad it would be and don't see that trump won't even accomplish it. I will never understand it

 

[fsu1jreed]

Again, Trump killed the bill to make the border stricter. You're talking out of your ass.

But he totally didn't vote for Trump

 

[FAUlty Gator]

I wonder how many other cultural issues in the past "common sense" considered the losing side. Slavery? Women voting? Equal rights? Blacks voting? Gay Marriage?

Sometimes "common sense" is just fear of change.

Exactly. Now that I think of it…You know the “common sense” people on the left got the NCAA tourney canceled in NC because they passed a law saying grown men should not be allowed to share a public restroom with little girls. How fvcking stupid are those “common sense” people?

 

[nelly02]

I don’t think one person will ever destroy the constitution or government, I believe most feel like the border was better under Trump, including the border patrol. Most of the complaints are about his rhetoric(which is rude, at times batshit, and that he’s mean) that has zero to do with policy. Bear Bryant and Woody Hayes were assholes but winners. Just have policy that closes up the border to violent criminals, even if it means some innocent migrants don’t get in, value American citizens over on American, after all the government is supposed to be for our citizens. The SJW issues will almost always win moderate males over to the R side, moderate women to the D side.

You are right people "feel" that way but those of us who can critically think know the situation would have had very little differences if Trump had been in office.

All Rs have is feelings. Facts aren't on their side.

 

[gohawks50]

Exactly. Now that I think of it…You know the “common sense” people on the left got the NCAA tourney canceled in NC because they passed a law saying grown men should not be allowed to share a public restroom with little girls. How fvcking stupid are those “common sense” people?

 

[ClarindaA's]

You are right people "feel" that way but those of us who can critically think know the situation would have had very little differences if Trump had been in office.

All Rs have is feelings. Facts aren't on their side.

You don’t see a difference in border happenings under the two administrations?

 

[nelly02]

After reading OPs post this thread has gone exactly as I expected.

I’m going to be the rare Harris voter to agree with OP in one regard. I don’t think Trump voters are all bad people. Some are but far from all of them.

I do believe that the average Trump voter is either deliberately ignorant or is of lower intelligence. As such they are either unwilling or unable to understand the issues in a way that would lead to the obvious conclusion that Trump is unfit for office.

This does not make them bad people. It makes them gullible and stubborn.

You will never reach these people through a message of divisiveness and hate. It is FAR better to try to understand why they are that way and look for bridges we can build to reach them. It’s that or we continue to split our country in two which is not in anyone’s best interest.

I've said on here over and over there are 2 options for a trump supporter. They are either stupid or evil. That's it. Those are the options so they get to pick which it is for them. I personally like to think most are just stupid which is sad but it feels better than thinking so many Americans are evil.

 

[SB_SB]

Thankfully it would never happen because he's an incompetent boob because it would be devastating to this country to do what he is saying. And the morons like clarinda don't see how bad it would be and don't see that trump won't even accomplish it. I will never understand it

it's so crazy how these MAGAs will believe anything he says. They actually thought a wall would get build and Mexico would pay for it. I hate to think how stupid these people really are.

 

[NoWokeBloke]

The Shitlibs are some dumb mofos

 

[nelly02]

You don’t see a difference in border happenings under the two administrations?

Yes. I also see the circumstance surrounding said border happenings. And it wasn't freaking Joe Biden telling people to come to the border.

There was a GLOBAL pandemic and GLOBAL inflation (much much worse than we experienced here). People came here to escape those things. That wouldn't have been different if Trump was in office.

 

[SB_SB]

I've said on here over and over there are 2 options for a trump supporter. They are either stupid or evil. That's it. Those are the options so they get to pick which it is for them. I personally like to think most are just stupid which is sad but it feels better than thinking so many Americans are evil.

For many it's not an "or" situation, it's an "and", and that is really scary to think of.

 

[SB_SB]

You don’t see a difference in border happenings under the two administrations?

They need to fix the border for sure, but trump got his minions to vote against it.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Just to level set, I have already voted for Harris and I expect Trump to win. This also isn’t some sad boy post due to that, it’s a result of some stuff that occurred between posters on this board.

1. Voting for Trump doesn’t make you a bad person. Voting for Harris doesn’t make you a bad person. I know many people who will be voting all kinds of different ways and I’m lucky to have them in my life. People make the calculus about who they are voting for based on a lot of things and some things are very heavily weighted. I know a lot of people who are appalled by Trump’s behavior but they sincerely pro-life, it’s their #1 issue by a mile, so they are voting for Trump. It’s that simple for them. It doesn’t make them evil. You might disagree with that position completely but people are allowed to make their own choices in our society and if you want them on your team, it’s your responsibility to convince them.
2. Just because you vote for Trump or Harris, doesn’t mean you agree 100% with them or the positions of their party. You might want to put that on the opposite group, but it’s wrong and you should stop.
3. If you’re reading this, you’re probably paying more attention to politics than 99% of the people you know. We’ve probably all had the experience of a guy at a sporting event complaining about some nuance that’s happening on the field incessantly and it’s annoying. You’re thinking, this is just weird how this guy can’t let stuff go. That’s how most people think of us.
4. I think Harris has done a very poor job explaining to the electorate how her positions have changed since 2019. I don’t think for a second that she’d govern like some super woke leftist candidate but she absolutely has not explained herself in any way how she’s changed. And that let’s people run wild if she won’t explain herself.
5. I am not afraid of the next 4 years regardless of what happens. I’m incredibly blessed socially and financially. But I understand WHY there are those that are and I do my best to be respectful of that, even though I fail.

Anyway, I could go on, but man politics is just uglier than I can remember it right now, Americans seem to actually hate each other, and I can’t stand how it has effected people even in my social circle. Peace out and enjoy your weekend.

I can agree with this. The morning after the election, I have to go to work either way.

 

[Tom Paris]

lol, I admitted the economy seems to be doing better, I don’t trust Democrats on the border based on history and the last 4 years. I do think Trump can help slow the influx of criminals, but admit we need workers. Just need a better system that allows fewer people in after a strong vetting. Crime isn’t down. We know that’s bullshit. We do need to improve infrastructure. I am giving you the answers to why people didn’t or won’t vote, you can laugh or whatever. The Democrats die on whatever hill they choose.

Why do you trust Republicans on the border? On anything, really?

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

OK, OK, voting for Trump doesn't make you a bad person.

But it sure signifies that you are a bad person.

Voting for either person signifies that you support a bad person. Yet it seems like a lot of people have been voting already.

 

[gohawks50]

Voting for either person signifies that you support a bad person. Yet it seems like a lot of people have been voting already.

What makes Harris a bad person? She goes out of her way to not call Trump supporters names or stupid.

 

[BioHawk]

What is interesting over the last 8 years, is that people like you and Tom Paris are the primary reason why people vote for Trump. I know you will never understand that, but, it is the case

Explain this.

 

[gohawks50]

Explain this.

Huey and Tom said mean things about Trump supporters so he has to vote for the guy that calls people that don't agree with him "the enemy within." Makes perfect sense!

 

[Nole-4-Life]

Damn I miss the tradition from a couple of generations ago where it was considered rude to ask someone how they vote. We were a nicer society then.

 

[Huey Grey]

Damn I miss the tradition from a couple of generations ago where it was considered rude to ask someone how they vote. We were a nicer society then.

I remember when it was considered rude to run a rapist who led a coup.

 

[ClarindaA's]

Yes. I also see the circumstance surrounding said border happenings. And it wasn't freaking Joe Biden telling people to come to the border.

There was a GLOBAL pandemic and GLOBAL inflation (much much worse than we experienced here). People came here to escape those things. That wouldn't have been different if Trump was in office.

There’s literally video of him saying it

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I've said on here over and over there are 2 options for a trump supporter. They are either stupid or evil. That's it. Those are the options so they get to pick which it is for them. I personally like to think most are just stupid which is sad but it feels better than thinking so many Americans are evil.

I think it’s “gullible, stupid or evil”. I’m probably splitting a fine hair there, so generally agree with you. I think the evil camp is a small percentage.

 

[nelly02]

There’s literally video of him saying it

I never said he didn't say it but it had very little effect. Do you honestly think people in say Venezuela are going "oh things are good here but the US president said to come there so ok let's go". **** no.

Things were awful there and they knew they were taking a risk in coming here but the had no other choice. That would still have applied if Trump was in office.

 

[Speedway1]

Well, a lot of human garbage does seem to be getting dumped here. When ICE starts apprehending doctors, lawyers, engineers, financial professionals, etc. en masse at the southern border, I’ll reassess my position.

But they jump at the chance to take out of context . All the time.

 

[gohawks50]

But they jump at the chance to take out of context . All the time.

Are you agreeing that anyone who is not a doctor, lawyer, engineer, financial professional, etc. is human garbage? Are construction workers, landscapers, farm laborers, roofers, etc. automatically garbage? I don't judge a person's value by their job or income, do you?