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That wouldn't be the homeowners fault.
Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, but on the living room table in view of a window = homeowner at fault.
Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, and in a secondary handgun safe = homeowner not at fault.
Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, but under the pillow = ??
 
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Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, but on the living room table in view of a window = homeowner at fault.
Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, and in a secondary handgun safe = homeowner not at fault.
Secure behind a locked door and set/monitored alarm, but under the pillow = ??
To me, the homeowner is not at fault unless the gun is already in view.

And I don't believe any gun owner would even consider a secured gun safe in plain view.
 
Of course it’s illegal. Laws are in place already to punish folks that do it.

I’m just highlighting once again that criminals don’t care about whatever laws get enacted. It’s not a gun law problem folks.
Here’s a law… if it’s found that your gun store was the source for over one-fourth of the illegal guns seized in a four-year period, you not only lose your license, you not only lose your right to even possess a gun, but you are civilly liable for the crimes committed with those guns. The idea that you could sell that many guns used in crimes and not be aware is total bullshit. Make an example of a few of those arms dealers and you'd see others take notice.

Here's a law...make gun manufacturers civilly liable for the marketing and use of their product. We hold tobacco companies responsible, but gun manufacturers are protected. Why? It doesn't infringe on YOUR right to own a gun to make THEM take some responsibility.

Here's a law...mandate safety standards for all guns that would prevent or significantly limit their use by a third party. Make it illegal to bypass those standards. We mandate seat belts and air bags for car manufacturers and for drivers it's click it or ticket.
 
To me, the homeowner is not at fault unless the gun is already in view.

And I don't believe any gun owner would even consider a secured gun safe in plain view.
I get we don't agree on some of the nuanced particulars here, but sometimes nuance is important. Let's say, I'm a single guy living alone. I return home from a hunting trip and I'm sitting at my kitchen table cleaning two of my deer rifles. During cleaning I run out of gun oil. I leave both rifles on the table (because I'm in the middle of cleaning them) and run out to a sporting goods store to get more.

Unbeknownst to me, someone saw me come home and unload my guns. After I leave, having locked my door behind me, this person breaks into my home after seeing the rifles (by trespassing and looking through my window) out on my kitchen table. He steels the guns and robs a liquor store with one of them. Am I liable for this crime?
 
Here's a law...make gun manufacturers civilly liable for the marketing and use of their product. We hold tobacco companies responsible, but gun manufacturers are protected. Why? It doesn't infringe on YOUR right to own a gun to make THEM take some responsibility.
Honest question. Are guns marketed? While I admit, I'm not exposed to many commercials thanks to streaming and the DVR, I can't remember the last time I saw a cigarette ad and I've never seen a gun add on TV. I couldn't tell you what new guns are on the market without going into an actual gun shop and asking the salesman. I've never seen a billboard or anything--just like cigarettes (these days).
 
Here’s a law… if it’s found that your gun store was the source for over one-fourth of the illegal guns seized in a four-year period, you not only lose your license, you not only lose your right to even possess a gun, but you are civilly liable for the crimes committed with those guns. The idea that you could sell that many guns used in crimes and not be aware is total bullshit. Make an example of a few of those arms dealers and you'd see others take notice.

Here's a law...make gun manufacturers civilly liable for the marketing and use of their product. We hold tobacco companies responsible, but gun manufacturers are protected. Why? It doesn't infringe on YOUR right to own a gun to make THEM take some responsibility.

Here's a law...mandate safety standards for all guns that would prevent or significantly limit their use by a third party. Make it illegal to bypass those standards. We mandate seat belts and air bags for car manufacturers and for drivers it's click it or ticket.
So to highlight your first law. It would be totally ok for the gun dealer to not sell to blacks because they often resell on the black market. You cool with that?

Number 2 is just stupid and a liberal wet dream. Imagine that being used for hammer manufactures or knife manufacturers
 
One day it’s a rankem thread for high school girls, a few days later it’s a racial joke in a thread about teenagers being murdered.

You seem like a good dude.

Edit: And I’m sure you’ll say there’s nothing racist about what you posted.
Quit being such a queef. He's obviously trying to troll you guys. (And that was pretty good dark humor)
 
I get we don't agree on some of the nuanced particulars here, but sometimes nuance is important. Let's say, I'm a single guy living alone. I return home from a hunting trip and I'm sitting at my kitchen table cleaning two of my deer rifles. During cleaning I run out of gun oil. I leave both rifles on the table (because I'm in the middle of cleaning them) and run out to a sporting goods store to get more.

Unbeknownst to me, someone saw me come home and unload my guns. After I leave, having locked my door behind me, this person breaks into my home after seeing the rifles (by trespassing and looking through my window) out on my kitchen table. He steels the guns and robs a liquor store with one of them. Am I liable for this crime?
In that scenario he's talking about, I think so, yes. Guns are supposed to be locked up and secure.
 
If a women walks from the bathroom to the bedroom and a stalker looks into the crack in the blinds….it’s her fault if she was raped. Do I have that right?
What a terrible false analogy. Some people here need education, not guns.
 
So to highlight your first law. It would be totally ok for the gun dealer to not sell to blacks because they often resell on the black market. You cool with that?

Number 2 is just stupid and a liberal wet dream. Imagine that being used for hammer manufactures or knife manufacturers
Lol…and you base your profiling on…

As for the rest of your stupidity, hammers aren’t designed specifically to kill people nor are knives. But if you want to make the case that you use your S&W to hammer f’n nails, be my guest.
 
If I go hunting, and secure my firearm in a case, as is required by law, and stop for gas on my way home with my firearm in my vehicle and someone steals it, who committed a crime?
This ain't 1992.

You can't tempt people who might not have good intentions.

Just a sad reality.
 
This ain't 1992.

You can't tempt people who might not have good intentions.

Just a sad reality.
You are truly an idiot.

How am I supposed to hunt without my firearm being in my vehicle... o wait... I shouldn't be able to stop because a criminal might commit a crime...
The person who breaks into the vehicle committed a crime.
 
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No dog in this fight, just reminded me of one of my favorite scenes ever.

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The four boys who were shot were sitting in front of a vacant house around 2 p.m. Sunday when two 17-year-olds approached them and unleashed a barrage of bullets on them, according to information from Lott and a redacted incident report obtained by USA TODAY.

This is something that needs to change. We need to start naming criminals whether they are minors or not, AND their parents when they do anything that threatens the health and well being of others...including bum rushing convenient stores.
 
Okay, then how did they get them? If my son (a minor) is ever involved in a shooting, I won't be held liable because he does NOT have access to my weapons. If I left my 9mm laying around under a pillow, my son then uses said 9mm to commit a crime, I should be held liable for my role in the crime.

You know that person sitting in the back seat of the "get away" car is held responsible when his buddies rob a liquor store, right?
Here's an example of a parent likely needing to be held liable:

The 11-year-old took a gun from his mother’s car, where the weapon was in an unlocked box, the chief said. The child fired a shot that hit both teens, McKinley said.

 
Here's an example of a parent likely needing to be held liable:

The 11-year-old took a gun from his mother’s car, where the weapon was in an unlocked box, the chief said. The child fired a shot that hit both teens, McKinley said.

Nevermind. She told him not to handle the gun. He was being disobedient.


‘Told Him…Not To Handle The Gun’: Eleven-Year-Old Grabs Mother’s Purple 9MM And Shoots Teammate In Back After Football Practice for Knocking Food Out of His Hand​

 
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Probably needs it's own thread but the video of the 11 year old grabbing the gun right in front of his mom is pretty crazy.

 
If Mom and the other two who got shot had been armed, this would not have happened.

The answer is, as always, more guns.
 
So, if a crime is committed with Keanu Reeve's gun, should he be held liable?

 
So, if a crime is committed with Keanu Reeve's gun, should he be held liable?

Only if he shoots the hostage

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Once again, leftists going against the narrative that ‘it’s the guns’. How the hell do you release someone who unleashed a barrage of gunfire with an AR? Hypocrites.

He totally didn't mean it.
 
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